Game Thread: Kings vs Pelicans 7pm Ct

Lousy shot Ryno.

We make so many excuses when this team plays poorly. How many good looks have we just missed? How many times has Sacramento played really good D? It's easy to look like crap when you play a team game as a bunch of individuals. Even in our wins we play like that and THEN if AD doesn't play well or the shots don't fall we look like trash. This team is fundamentally flawed and that's before you start poking holes in rosters and skill sets. I mean look at that shot by Ryan. Why?

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Originally Posted by IVAN_NOH

we had casspi, and we decided to keep miller.Bower's style.

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Yeah I was caught off guard when we released Casspi. I thought he was an ideal fix when we knew our biggest need was at the 3 spot.

I think Anderson just shots the ball regardless of play called. There was no one on the glass not one person WTF.

Yeah. I'm about making up my mind about Ryno and our long term outlook.

Unfortunately, this is a classic "Tyreke puts up good stats on a bad team" kind of night.

Kings seems to have our number, been that way since last season, Cousins just matches up well with Davis, similar to the Deron CP3 match up we used to deal with.

When 1/5 of your starter gets you 0s across the board and 3 fouls it's hard to do anything.

When AD shoots 33% from the field it's hard to do anything.

When you give up 8 steals, 9 TOs, the other team shoots 91% from FT, 49% from the field it's hard to do anything.

This was a Poor game by our players outside of Ryno, Reke, and a couple bench guys.

I don't think so, we just beat them in their house. That doesn't sound like number owning. I will say a healthy Asik would be much better against Cousins then a bad back one.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Yeah. I'm about making up my mind about Ryno and our long term outlook.

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Welcome to the darkside my friend....

It sucks when the assistant coach for the other team shows himself to be far superior to the head coach for your squad.

The problem tonight is the team felt Gordon's injury. We have no replacement for him. Plus, Holiday and Evans just played like "guys" when they need to up their game to near all-star levels.

The missed open shots and boneheaded plays have got to stop by those two. Especially with Gordon out for a while if for the whole season.

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Originally Posted by Pelican_Brief

I don't think so, we just beat them in their house. That doesn't sound like number owning. I will say a healthy Asik would be much better against Cousins then a bad back one.

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Asik wasn't the difference. Our players came out flat and did nothing. Our usual star AD has an off night. I'm already ready to see Salmons get a chance to start. He might actually grab a rebound or assist or something compared to Miller.

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

We make so many excuses when this team plays poorly. How many good looks have we just missed? How many times has Sacramento played really good D? It's easy to look like crap when you play a team game as a bunch of individuals. Even in our wins we play like that and THEN if AD doesn't play well or the shots don't fall we look like trash. This team is fundamentally flawed and that's before you start poking holes in rosters and skill sets. I mean look at that shot by Ryan. Why?

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I've always felt like this team isn't well constructed. Asik is a great fit next to Davis and Anderson a great fit with Davis on offense. Other than that IMO this team doesn't complement each other well.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I've always felt like this team isn't well constructed. Asik is a great fit next to Davis and Anderson a great fit with Davis on offense. Other than that IMO this team doesn't complement each other well.

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Bingo....Dell showing up at Reke's crib at midnight must have been a Google maps error. He should have been sitting outside of a SF's house

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I've always felt like this team isn't well constructed. Asik is a great fit next to Davis and Anderson a great fit with Davis on offense. Other than that IMO this team doesn't complement each other well.

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After 15 games, I'm seeing the light. I like Jrue as he is a go with the flow kinda guy who will take on the identity of the guys he is surrounded by, but Tyreke needs to go and I'm pretty certain I would be okay with giving up Ryan to get rid of Gordon once he's healthy. He's out of shape, doesn't play D. and his decision making is mind boggling. I expect him to be a guy that helps keep the younger guys on the straight and narrow and too many times he's the guy to veer us of course. Just bad fits all around.

Typical overreactions after a loss. :rolleyes:

Is it to soon to whisper fire monty?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Is it to soon to whisper fire monty?

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Mike Budenholzer, Jeff Hornacek, Jason Kidd (2x), Mike Malone and Steve Clifford all have smug looks on their faces.

If Jimmer doesn't get 10 shots a game we are doomed.

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Originally Posted by Asteptooslow

If Jimmer doesn't get 10 shots a game we are doomed.

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If AD isn't getting as many shots as Ryno and Evans you have bigger problems than Jimmer not getting touches.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If AD isn't getting as many shots as Ryno and Evans you have bigger problems than Jimmer not getting touches.

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Best post of the night

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Sac shooting 51% from the field doesn't help us any.

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And neither did AD having a fever and bad headcold.

We lost a game to a good team. We shot abysmally, and had a number of things go against us (Kings FT%, Casspi, etc.). Sometimes this happens. Doesn't mean we need to clean house. We all know the Kings are a tough matchup for us, as evidenced 1 week ago in our win in Sac. Let's move on.

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Originally Posted by DRDJ1

And neither did AD having a fever and bad headcold.

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And he still played 38 min. 38 min 12 shots.
Reke 38 min 17 shots.
Ryno 30 min 14 shots.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If AD isn't getting as many shots as Ryno and Evans you have bigger problems than Jimmer not getting touches.

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Tonight AD was passive they gave him the ball I don't know how many times. He just elected not to take the shot. You don't blame the team for that.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Ok I'll use his pas 4 seasons including this one 31% 32% 34% and 11%. Is that a big enough sample size for you? While steadily staying in the 60% on FTs? With 40% avg from the field and no D? How much more sample size do you need?

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So, how did that work out for you? Did u not see casspi dam near single handily beat us?? Not sure what point you're trying to make but 3pt% means absolutely nothing when rating said player. He is OBVIOUSLY a good ball player and could help us more than 60-70% of our roster including trash miller.

Oh well, we can all expect a to be 7-8 after this road trip.
No chance we beat Atlanta and the Wizards playing like this.

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Originally Posted by Pelican_Brief

Tonight AD was passive they gave him the ball I don't know how many times. He just elected not to take the shot. You don't blame the team for that.

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Which is actually smart on Davis' part. As a player you know when you are off. Why force it when you aren't feeling it. On the days Davis is off it shouldn't be too much to leave the scoring duty to the other players on the team.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

So, how did that work out for you? Did u not see casspi dam near single handily beat us?? Not sure what point you're trying to make but 3pt% means absolutely nothing when rating said player. He is OBVIOUSLY a good ball player and could help us more than 60-70% of our roster including trash miller.

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Good post KC. I don't care about metrics at all. Just watch the game. Casspi has had 2 good games against us. I don't care what his political views are. He's better than Sal, Miller, & Babbitt. Unless he didn't want to play here, he should be a Pel

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Originally Posted by Pelican_Brief

Tonight AD was passive they gave him the ball I don't know how many times. He just elected not to take the shot. You don't blame the team for that.

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You'd be passive, too, if every time you got the ball was when your guards determined they couldn't get a shot off and half-assedly passed it to you 18 ft away from the rim with the D set.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Good post KC. I don't care about metrics at all. Just watch the game. Casspi has had 2 good games against us. I don't care what his political views are. He's better than Sal, Miller, & Babbitt. Unless he didn't want to play here, he should be a Pel

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Political views are enough to get you traded in this league? How pathetic.

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

half-assedly.

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I think you made this word up. Please hold. I will peruse Wikipedia to see if it really exists. LOL. Seriously though, your point is spot on

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

You'd be passive, too, if every time you got the ball was when your guards determined they couldn't get a shot off and half-assedly passed it to you 18 ft away from the rim with the D set.

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I will say this, it's nice to see Withey and Jimmer get their shine on.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Political views are enough to get you traded in this league? How pathetic.

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I think that his views brought undue attention to his previous team. You know the Pels would rather good character guys over good basketball players. How's that working out? I'll take Boogie Cousins bad attitude over say a Ryno who's an awesome locker room guy in a heartbeat

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Good post KC. I don't care about metrics at all. Just watch the game. Casspi has had 2 good games against us. I don't care what his political views are. He's better than Sal, Miller, & Babbitt. Unless he didn't want to play here, he should be a Pel

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I'm so dam tired of seeing the same dam thing from this team year in year out. I honestly would be shocked if we make the playoffs. Tyreke evans and ryan Anderson make the most bone headed plays ever. For every "plus" play Reke makes, he makes 3 "boneheaded" plays. It's getting very frustrating to watch. For every "flamethrower" shot Ryan Anderson makes, he gives up 10 more points with his pathetic defense. Not sure how much more I can handle the disappointment this team dishes out.

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Originally Posted by NDHornet

Typical overreactions after a loss. :rolleyes:

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We're still a young team!

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Ryno has never met a shot that he didn't like

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That's pretty good that he made half of them then.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I agree. Ryno is simply being asked to do too much.

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If you mean guarding Cousins when Asik or AD should be guarding Cousins, you're right.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

This would be the time to try the three big man lineup of Ryno, AD, and Asik.

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The lineup that should have started the game.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Yeah. I'm about making up my mind about Ryno and our long term outlook.

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The outlook for this game without Ryno is 0-10 from 3pt, with him 3-17 from 3 pt.

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Originally Posted by Pelican_Brief

I think Anderson just shots the ball regardless of play called. There was no one on the glass not one person WTF.

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Thank goodness someone can shoot on this team.

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

We need Ryno to be Ryno tonight

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Should have started and played 38 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

With Babbitt and Ryno, we are at a severe disadvantage on defense against this team. If they aren't making 3s, they are worse than useless. They're liabilities.

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Since Ryno is making 3's I don't really have to entertain this. But actually, just having Ryno on the floor creates space and driving lanes.

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Wait Anderson sucks he can't play and is useless!! Never mind he made a shot he's the best bench player in the NBA!! 6th man of the year!!

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Two poor shooting games gets you in the doghouse apparently. :rolleyes: Ryno will have to score 30 or have six good shooting games in a row to get respect on here.

Ok guys, time to think about what kind of win totals will we need to retain our pick?

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

Good post KC. I don't care about metrics at all. Just watch the game. Casspi has had 2 good games against us. I don't care what his political views are. He's better than Sal, Miller, & Babbitt. Unless he didn't want to play here, he should be a Pel

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Not wanting to play here didn't stop Demps from signing Gordon. I doubt it was the determining factor in not signing Casspi. But its hard to deny that he is not better than our current SF's. Casspi signed a minimum contract and counts less than $1,000,000 against the cap.

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Originally Posted by speedyG

shut up

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He's right though, Dell has made some bonehead trade and singing over the years which will keep us a mediocre team.

Does Asik really provide that much more than Robin Lopez?

11 mil on a player with servere offensive deficiencies is not how you build a championship team.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

He's right though, Dell has made some bonehead trade and singing over the years which will keep us a mediocre team.

Does Asik really provide that much more than Robin Lopez?

11 mil on a player with servere offensive deficiencies is not how you build a championship team.

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Robin Lopez had his best year with Portland last year. He has improved his rebounding and FT shooting.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

He's right though, Dell has made some bonehead trade and singing over the years which will keep us a mediocre team.

Does Asik really provide that much more than Robin Lopez?

11 mil on a player with servere offensive deficiencies is not how you build a championship team.

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There are actually two ways to win games in the NBA.... outscore the opposition or hold them to fewer points than you score.... Asiik was signed solely for his contributions to the latter.... time will tell as to how that pans out.....

Of course my first game of the season in person was a loss.

I was 4 rows back from the court on the opposite side of the Kings bench. It's nice to be so close but at the same time it's hard to watch the plays and catch certain nuanced from so close. With that said, some things I joticed that probably don't come across on TV:

- players got visibly mad at Rivers for a couple of plays after missing a switch and then another for letting a defender past him. AD was also visibly pissed when rivers ignored him for an easy lay up. Every time they got mad he started to look timid. Could tell it affected him.

- ryno was clearly the most vocal leader on the team. For someone so bad defensively he jawed at other players a lot.

- AD basically looked like he had given up by half way through the third. Heck the whole team did. You could tell there was no fire, no anger at the lead getting out of hand and as for AD, by the fourth he was just aloof during breaks and seemed to have chalked up the loss. Very disappointing to see.

- I know people hate Ref whining and we were actually getting calls tonight but there were still a couple of bad calls that it would be nice to see our team being more vocal to the refs. There were a couple in particular a Evans layup and an Asik foul where the crowd was pissed but the players just accepted the bad calls after very little push back. I know it's a fine line when ref whining but frankly we need to be more vocal.

- on the refs, it was interesting to hear the refs basically talk **** about Evans after the foul on the break where he lobbed it up way behind the arc.

- the most frustrating series was watching evans Late in the second half get on the break and basically turn it over by passing it to the other team, committing a foul on the defense. Then when they got the ball back after the shots evans loses Casspi which forces a late switch and either an AND 1 or a score or something. I was pulling my hair out at Evans after that.

Of course my first game of the season in person was a loss.

I was 4 rows back from the court on the opposite side of the Kings bench. It's nice to be so close but at the same time it's hard to watch the plays and catch certain nuanced from so close. With that said, some things I joticed that probably don't come across on TV:

- players got visibly mad at Rivers for a couple of plays after missing a switch and then another for letting a defender past him. AD was also visibly pissed when rivers ignored him for an easy lay up. Every time they got mad he started to look timid. Could tell it affected him.

- ryno was clearly the most vocal leader on the team. For someone so bad defensively he jawed at other players a lot.

- AD basically looked like he had given up by half way through the third. Heck the whole team did. You could tell there was no fire, no anger at the lead getting out of hand and as for AD, by the fourth he was just aloof during breaks and seemed to have chalked up the loss. Very disappointing to see.

- I know people hate Ref whining and we were actually getting calls tonight but there were still a couple of bad calls that it would be nice to see our team being more vocal to the refs. There were a couple in particular a Evans layup and an Asik foul where the crowd was pissed but the players just accepted the bad calls after very little push back. I know it's a fine line when ref whining but frankly we need to be more vocal.

- on the refs, it was interesting to hear the refs basically talk **** about Evans after the foul on the break where he lobbed it up way behind the arc.

- the most frustrating series was watching evans Late in the second half get on the break and basically turn it over by passing it to the other team, committing a foul on the defense. Then when they got the ball back after the shots evans loses Casspi which forces a late switch and either an AND 1 or a score or something. I was pulling my hair out at Evans after that.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

Of course my first game of the season in person was a loss.

I was 4 rows back from the court on the opposite side of the Kings bench. It's nice to be so close but at the same time it's hard to watch the plays and catch certain nuanced from so close. With that said, some things I joticed that probably don't come across on TV:

- players got visibly mad at Rivers for a couple of plays after missing a switch and then another for letting a defender past him. AD was also visibly pissed when rivers ignored him for an easy lay up. Every time they got mad he started to look timid. Could tell it affected him.

- ryno was clearly the most vocal leader on the team. For someone so bad defensively he jawed at other players a lot.

- AD basically looked like he had given up by half way through the third. Heck the whole team did. You could tell there was no fire, no anger at the lead getting out of hand and as for AD, by the fourth he was just aloof during breaks and seemed to have chalked up the loss. Very disappointing to see.

- I know people hate Ref whining and we were actually getting calls tonight but there were still a couple of bad calls that it would be nice to see our team being more vocal to the refs. There were a couple in particular a Evans layup and an Asik foul where the crowd was pissed but the players just accepted the bad calls after very little push back. I know it's a fine line when ref whining but frankly we need to be more vocal.

- on the refs, it was interesting to hear the refs basically talk **** about Evans after the foul on the break where he lobbed it up way behind the arc.

- the most frustrating series was watching evans Late in the second half get on the break and basically turn it over by passing it to the other team, committing a foul on the defense. Then when they got the ball back after the shots evans loses Casspi which forces a late switch and either an AND 1 or a score or something. I was pulling my hair out at Evans after that.

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Thanks for the insight. The Pelicans blew it. This was a must win game. 6.5 point favorites and Sacramento missing two of their best players.

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

The outlook for this game without Ryno is 0-10 from 3pt, with him 3-17 from 3 pt.

Since Ryno is making 3's I don't really have to entertain this. But actually, just having Ryno on the floor creates space and driving lanes.

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Dedicated. Very nice.

But the issue of which I speak isn't really something that can be argued through stats and figures. I never use them. Never post them. And frankly, don't really care about them. But the thing of it is I'm really beginning to feel about Ryno the same way I'm starting to feel about Jimmy Graham.

Great players at what they do. But not required. Incomplete, and oddly in some ways limited, players, the both of them. Maybe be better utilized as assets than actually towards winning a championship. It's not because I find them lacking. But because I find they may not be the way their respective teams achieve the next level.

My last observation was something il sure other saw but Ryno guarding Cousins. Why? There was no logic to it in the first half and then to see monty ok with it at the end of the game, with Asik and Davis on the court no less, was maddening.

Also people rail on him but Gordon not being there really hurts us. He does a lot off the ball, is a good decision maker and keeps teams honest. Right now we are plugging in guys that are critically flawed and just aren't the balanced player Gordon was - even if he wasn't lighting it up. Monty is really gonna have his work cut out for him and is going to prove his worth seeing how he adjusts and responds to the hole in our starting roster.

Has anyone else heard anything about AD being sick for the game? That'd explain a lot.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Dedicated. Very nice.

But the issue of which I speak isn't really something that can be argued through stats and figures. I never use them. Never post them. And frankly, don't really care about them. But the thing of it is I'm really beginning to feel about Ryno the same way I'm starting to feel about Jimmy Graham.

Great players at what they do. But not required. Incomplete, and oddly in some ways limited, players, the both of them. Maybe be better utilized as assets than actually towards winning a championship. It's not because I find them lacking. But because I find they may not be the way their respective teams achieve the next level.

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So why are you talking about a championship? This team hasn't even made the playoffs. I just want to beat the teams we're supposed to beat. You can't control that far down the road and players you don't have. It is about getting the most out of the players on the roster and Monty has not gotten his players to play how they are capable of playing. The great coaches can get their players to overachieve. The Suns last year. The Kings, Grizzlies, and Rockets this year are overachieving.

Jimmy Graham is easily the best tight end in the NFL. That is quite a compliment!