The Full Range of Possibilities at SF

Hearing: Omri Casspi most likely gets waived by Pelicans after Asik three-way trade is completed Tuesday. Casspi then gets to pick new home

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) July 14, 2014

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Originally Posted by eballa1

Hearing: Omri Casspi most likely gets waived by Pelicans after Asik three-way trade is completed Tuesday. Casspi then gets to pick new home

— Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) July 14, 2014

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Was just about to post this. I'm happy with Casspi, but if they plan on moving him... then what could be the plan? He's a servicable backup if you ask me. Something is up..

Uhm he's the only real 3 on the roster...why waive him at all since we actually wanted him as a part of the team?

Is Casspi's contract not guaranteed? He was supposed to make 1.06 million next season. If we wave him does he count on our books or does it in fact free up his 1 million elsewhere?

Any yes, now we have no SF's, something has to be up.

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Originally Posted by Kurgan

Uhm he's the only real 3 on the roster...why waive him at all since we actually wanted him as a part of the team?

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Have to have a trade lined up for a SF, only thing I can think about, we could just use the RLE to sign someone like hamilton. Unless we are trying to clear more cap for someone like sefalosha or marion.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Have to have a trade lined up for a SF, only thing I can think about, we could just use the RLE to sign someone like hamilton. Unless we are trying to clear more cap for someone like sefalosha or marion.

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Sefalosha got picked up by ATL. Marion though, that'd be awesome.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Is Casspi's contract not guaranteed? He was supposed to make 1.06 million next season. If we wave him does he count on our books or does it in fact free up his 1 million elsewhere?

Any yes, now we have no SF's, something has to be up.

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According to wikipedia, his contract is un-guaranteed this year.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Sefalosha got picked up by ATL. Marion though, that'd be awesome.

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didn;t know that, thanks.

Man i'm hoping some team out there thinks they can turn eric gordon around lol.

i don't mind them waving Omri. give a young guy that spot. casspi goes team to team & everyone thinks he'll hit his potential and he never comes close. probably just a guy houston wanted off their books

I don't understand why we even included him in the deal though. Houston could just have easily waived him themselves. Unless we need the roster spot, I am kinda disappointed he was not retained as a backup (or at least included with Babbitt to get a slightly higher salaries SF from a team looking to dump a player). There must be some other plan though.

Yeah I'm confused as to why we would just dump Casspi.

Scalpers have found a way to sell tickets legally above face value by attaching a worthless trinket to it. Here is this pen and two tickets for $1000. Now, it's legal.

Most people throw out the pen afterwards.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Scalpers have found a way to sell tickets legally above face value by attaching a worthless trinket to it. Here is this pen and two tickets for $1000. Now, it's legal.

Most people throw out the pen afterwards.

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Huh? Casspi was not needed in the deal to make it legal. The only thing I can see is if maybe another team is looking to unload a player that we value more and we need the roster spot (maybe to take a second player in a deal). Hopefully, eventually it will make sense.

It's a position of glaring need, and as a backup he's great depth.

Maybe we didn't want him as a player in the first place. Also, doesn't this give us cap space?

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Originally Posted by NemesisKING

Maybe we didn't want him as a player in the first place. Also, doesn't this give us cap space?

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It only gives us 500k in cap space because we only have 11 players on the roster (assuming Smith+Young make the team) so there's a cap hold.

From what I read Casspi's contract becomes guaranteed in august. Perhaps we wanted him to play in summer league to see what we had before his contract became guaranteed and he didn't want to. It's all guessing though at this point. I trust Dell (except for when it comes to matching RFA's) ;) I am sure there was a reason...

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

It's a position of glaring need, and as a backup he's great depth.

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And maybe (likely), the staff likes Miller or Southerland or Babbitt or Fells or D. Jones or Southerland or some other min. FA better than Casspi.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Huh? Casspi was not needed in the deal to make it legal. The only thing I can see is if maybe another team is looking to unload a player that we value more and we need the roster spot (maybe to take a second player in a deal). Hopefully, eventually it will make sense.

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We don't know all the motivations. Maybe, for some reason Houston wanted us to cut them as opposed to them having to do it.

We can't know everything that went on when the teams discussed. My main point was that it happened, and if he is waived, he is the pen. Obviously we didn't want him. We wanted Asik. We got Asik.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

And maybe (likely), the staff likes Miller or Southerland or Babbitt or Fells or D. Jones or Southerland or some other min. FA better than Casspi.

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Just yesterday you said Casspi will be a solid backup and he's better than Miller or Southerland. I'd have to question the coaching staff if they liked Miller better, jeez.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Just yesterday you said Casspi will be a solid backup and he's better than Miller or Southerland. I'd have to question the coaching staff if they liked Miller better, jeez.

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that was his opinion but here he says maybe the staff likes them better.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Just yesterday you said Casspi will be a solid backup and he's better than Miller or Southerland.

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Doesn't matter what I think though, does it? If the staff likes another guy better, then they are the evaluators. Also, like I said, it's not just Miller or Southerland. Fells and Jones showed out yesterday. Brandon Rush is holding a workout for teams in Vegas. Plenty of options. If they don't like Casspi's game, they don't like it. As I said on the pod last night, not much of a defender and his shot takes an hour to get off. You listen to Gates and all he keeps saying is that we are looking for SF's who can defend their position.

That ain't Casspi.

Someone in the summer league is going to be a better SF option for us.....


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Casspi was needed to make it work on Rockets end. Pels never had any interest. Waive him. Done and done. Right back where we were 24 hours ago. Dell did a masterful trade, has Room and min contracts plus intriguing options in SL to fill the SF position.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Doesn't matter what I think though, does it? If the staff likes another guy better, then they are the evaluators. Also, like I said, it's not just Miller or Southerland. Fells and Jones showed out yesterday. Brandon Rush is holding a workout for teams in Vegas. Plenty of options. If they don't like Casspi's game, they don't like it. As I said on the pod last night, not much of a defender and his shot takes an hour to get off. You listen to Gates and all he keeps saying is that we are looking for SF's who can defend their position.

That ain't Casspi.

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Exactly. Odds are if he is cut its because we simply like someone else better.

I'd be sad because I think he was a great pickup for what we paid but I'd wait for the next move before saying anything.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Exactly. Odds are if he is cut its because we simply like someone else better.

I'd be sad because I think he was a great pickup for what we paid but I'd wait for the next move before saying anything.

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His spot up numbers last year were TERRIBLE. Shot about 32% on half court spot ups and in transition. I mean, better than Aminu, but well below average. Rockets put him on 4's more often than 3's on the other end.

End of the day, there is so little difference between the 250th and 880th best player in the world. At that point, go for fit and skill set. It's clear that the staff likes someone better, either on the team or out in FA. Casspi was included because Houston needed him to be. Not because we were interested

I like Fells a lot but don't think he's a wing player at all.

I think most of us are looking at what he did around his rookie season but, since the he's been alright. He's never quite broke out like every thought he was.

First of all, we already have too many players deserving of playing time than playing time to go around if they're healthy. So you plug in AD to start the game at SF when playing against Carmelo or Durant, and you play Tyreke or Salmons off the bench. And then you can start Ryno at SF when playing a SF not as quick or athletic who or mostly shoots jumpers.

Any situation in which Salmons or anyone else on this team starts instead of Ryno is a fiasco. You have to start your best, your most important players. You have to give the players most important to team success the most minutes and time together to put yourself in the best situation to be the most successful. Especially when it comes to spacing the court for your starters and last years inability to put up enough 3's to be an NBA team. That is the full range of possibilities.

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

First of all, we already have too many players deserving of playing time than playing time to go around if they're healthy. So you plug in AD to start the game at SF when playing against Carmelo or Durant, and you play Salmons or Casspi off the bench. And then you can start Ryno at SF when playing a SF not as quick or athletic who or mostly shoots jumpers.

Any situation in which Salmons or Casspi starts instead of Ryno is a fiasco. That is the full range of possibilities.

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AD will defenitly not start as our small forward! probably not a single time!
and casspi is waived so I guess its either salmons who gets the start (but in this case he would not end games or play more than 20 min I guess) or we start tyreke at the three, maybe MM is right an Monty thinks differently about Reke playing the SF when he knows asik and AD are behind him on the defensive end

Dequan Jones is having a better summer league than Fells I would rather both but if I had to chose I would pick Jones

Bring Jones, Fells, Carter, and Southerland into camp. Let them fight for that last spot. No need to pick one now based off Summer League

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Bring Jones, Fells, Carter, and Southerland into camp. Let them fight for that last spot. No need to pick one now based off Summer League

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Does Russ Smith have a roster spot? I'm assuming yes.

MM,

Who do you see as in season options? Someone we might be able to grab before the trade deadline, if the SF need is still there. By chance, could John "Expiring Contract" Salmons be used in a trade?

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Originally Posted by ItIsRynosTime

Does Russ Smith have a roster spot? I'm assuming yes.

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by eballa1

MM,

Who do you see as in season options? Someone we might be able to grab before the trade deadline, if the SF need is still there. By chance, could John "Expiring Contract" Salmons be used in a trade?

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I don't think the team is thinking like that. I think they are hoping for and expecting the best.

I think we see Miller sign and we sign another SL guy to a contract that doesn't become fully guaranteed until January or February, thereby giving us the flexibility to release him in anticipation for a March pickup or create a roster spot for a trade.

I think we are going to try to roll with this roster plus Miller and a Summer League guy, and if something comes up we will explore it then. But I don't think we have signed roster just with the thought of trading him in February in mind.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I don't think the team is thinking like that. I think they are hoping for and expecting the best.

I think we see Miller sign and we sign another SL guy to a contract that doesn't become fully guaranteed until January or February, thereby giving us the flexibility to release him in anticipation for a March pickup or create a roster spot for a trade.

I think we are going to try to roll with this roster plus Miller and a Summer League guy, and if something comes up we will explore it then. But I don't think we have signed roster just with the thought of trading him in February in mind.

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Which SL guy you think will stick ?
MM

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Originally Posted by SaintPelican225

Which SL guy you think will stick ?
MM

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I think a few will be brought into training camp and the decision will be based more off that than glorified pickup games.

For some reason, Josh Carter just feels like the choice, but Fells can be the guy too. I am doing a piece with our projected rotation that will be up later in the week, and if Tyreke is going to play as much SF as I expect, there might be more of an opening at the 2, so Jones or Fells can fit there.

One of those 3 guys. The thing I don't think this staff will like about Fells is that he gambles a lot on the defensive end and sometimes takes bad shots. Now, they have been going in the last two games, but a coach thinks more about the process than the results.

Wait, Peeta from the Hunger Games was only drafted in 2010? I thought he had been in the league longer than that. So this should be a nice breakout type year for him since he never got much of a shot in Portland.

Pelicans training camp will be very interesting

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Scalpers have found a way to sell tickets legally above face value by attaching a worthless trinket to it. Here is this pen and two tickets for $1000. Now, it's legal.

Most people throw out the pen afterwards.

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My mate was doing that on ebay in Australia more than 5 years ago.

By something worth tuppency hapeney and you get 2 free tickets to "insert concert here"!

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Originally Posted by Hoy504

Dequan Jones is having a better summer league than Fells I would rather both but if I had to chose I would pick Jones

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the 3 inches Jones has on Fells is clutch too

I wonder what it'd take to pry Reggie Bullock away from LAC.

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Originally Posted by AD23nEG10

the 3 inches Jones has on Fells is clutch too

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Nah. Fells actually has 2" more wingspan than Jones. Dude is 6'5" with over 7' wingspan. Jones is 6'7" with 6'11" wingspan. Plus Fells has about 10-15 pounds on Jones.

I'm really interested in seeing How it plays out though. Through 3 games I give the nod to Fells but that could easily change.

I'm all on the Fells train. Rooting for him to make the team.

Don't we have two spots left though? If so they should both be able to fit on the roster

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Don't we have two spots left though? If so they should both be able to fit on the roster

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It's 13 if you think that Miller isn't coming back, which I hope is the case.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

It's 13 if you think that Miller isn't coming back, which I hope is the case.

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I would be surprised if Miller is not back. He knows the system, is fine being a role player, continues to improve, and can be had for the min. - maybe even a not fully guaranteed contract. He should be back

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I would be surprised if Miller is not back. He knows the system, is fine being a role player, continues to improve, and can be had for the min. - maybe even a not fully guaranteed contract. He should be back

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What do you think the percentage is that Salmons is our guy for the whole year compared to larger trade happening that lands us a notable small forward.