Pelicans looking to get a top 5 pick?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

They say no in a millisecond and then tells us not to call back with practical jokes any more because they are busy.

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Why? I thought Ryan Anderson was valuable? And certainly a top 5 protected 2015 and unprotected 2017 pick are valuable. Hell, on a young rebuilding team, even hometown hero Austin Rivers has value. And if you've got $33m to burn, is Eric Gordon really hurting you?

Seriously, what's the downside for Orlando in that trade?

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Why? I thought Ryan Anderson was valuable? And certainly a top 5 protected 2015 and unprotected 2017 pick are valuable. Hell, on a young rebuilding team, even hometown hero Austin Rivers has value. And if you've got $33m to burn, is Eric Gordon really hurting you?

Seriously, what's the downside for Orlando in that trade?

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I see this argument a lot and it just doesnt work for me - "X tam has cap space, so a bad contract wont hurt them."

A bad contract is a bad contract. You can keep the room and use it for other players or take on other contracts and get assets in return. There is still an opportunity cost. It is still a terrible contract. Ryno is a solid asset but does not fit their building timeline. Rivers is a solid asset and the picks are okay depending on how Orlando thinks New Orleans will be record wise over the next few years, but not enough to get a rebuilding team to give up the 4th pick in a draft that has a good top tier.

Now, maybe you can get Sacto to give you the 8th pick for Ryno if you take back Jason Thompson. Then, you offer Orlando that pick and our 2015 pick for the 4th pick. Maybe.

The issue with our assets is that they are for teams who want to win now, and again, other than the Cavs the teams in the top 5 dont want to win now.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Why? I thought Ryan Anderson was valuable? And certainly a top 5 protected 2015 and unprotected 2017 pick are valuable. Hell, on a young rebuilding team, even hometown hero Austin Rivers has value. And if you've got $33m to burn, is Eric Gordon really hurting you?

Seriously, what's the downside for Orlando in that trade?

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I really don't see Ryan Anderson having too much value until he has played a couple months & shows he is healthy, if (big if) he is traded I don't think it will be until around the trade deadline.

Celtics want to win now, but maybe 6 isn't high enough for Dell.

That would fit the rumor...

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I see this argument a lot and it just doesnt work for me - "X tam has cap space, so a bad contract wont hurt them."

A bad contract is a bad contract. You can keep the room and use it for other players or take on other contracts and get assets in return. There is still an opportunity cost. It is still a terrible contract. Ryno is a solid asset but does not fit their building timeline. Rivers is a solid asset and the picks are okay depending on how Orlando thinks New Orleans will be record wise over the next few years, but not enough to get a rebuilding team to give up the 4th pick in a draft that has a good top tier.

Now, maybe you can get Sacto to give you the 8th pick for Ryno if you take back Jason Thompson. Then, you offer Orlando that pick and our 2015 pick for the 4th pick. Maybe.

The issue with our assets is that they are for teams who want to win now, and again, other than the Cavs the teams in the top 5 dont want to win now.

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See, on day one, I enjoyed the rumor, and defended the fun of debating it. On day 2, I'm just sad and wished I didn't defend it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Vonleh can play Center, Ryan Anderson can not.

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Can he????? Hell ye!!!!!!!. This kid is 18 years old 250 lbs and has a 7'5" wingspan. AD was 222 lbs coming out.

He would be our center and he will be a center wherever he goes.

The Spurs took Duncan despite having David Robinson. Cause it is genius.

even if we sold the farm to swing that deal, it would work out in the end.

Jrue
Morrow
Ariza
Anthony Davis
Noah Vonleh

Championships galore

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

Can he????? Hell ye!!!!!!!. This kid is 18 years old 250 lbs and has a 7'5" wingspan. AD was 222 lbs coming out.

He would be our center and he will be a center wherever he goes.

The Spurs took Duncan despite having David Robinson. Cause it is genius.

even if we sold the farm to swing that deal, it would work out in the end.

Jrue
Morrow
Ariza
Anthony Davis
Noah Vonleh

Championships galore

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1 thing i don't like about that is only jrue can create, put ur best defender on him and we are screwed IMO.

jrue
tyreke
pj tucker
AD
Embiid or Vonleh

I can dig that

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

This is simply not true. My dad is a huge sports fan and we have talked since I was a kid. They didnt spend the majority of their talking about rumors, looking at possibilities years from now, and wondering how they could get this guy or that guy on their team. They focused on the guys they had and lived and died with each game. In the present.

I am trying not to judge the present form, and I said I was the problem and needed to change, but there is no way I will believe it is not vastly different.

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That's simply because the rules have changed and the internet was invented. Free agency was not at all what it is today. I know when I was young, I got excited for Jazz drafts. Had the opportunity been the same, I am sure the fan's involvement would have been the same. It is not fandom that has changed, but the rules and technology.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

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Word is spreading that the Warriors are discussing a trade of Klay Thompson to the Lakers for the 7th overall pick that would be used as part of a package to acquire Kevin Love. Also, the Sacramento Kings are very open to dealing the 8th pick and have been looking to upgrade over Isaiah Thomas. One potential deal to watch is the New Orleans Pelicans sending Jrue Holiday to the Kings for the pick. The Pelicans have been looking for a pick in the first round and have been shopping Holiday.

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From article on Sheridan hoops(which I don't personally care for)

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Does Sheridan believe what he writes? That would mean we would effectively have traded Nerlens Noel (or the #6 pick in the draft last year) to move up from #10 to #8 in this year's draft. What a joke!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Does Sheridan believe what he writes? That would mean we would effectively have traded Nerlens Noel (or the #6 pick in the draft last year) to move up from #10 to #8 in this year's draft. What a joke!

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Yeah really not a fan of him or the site.


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Can't we just do a Ryan Anderson for the 8th or 6th pick straight out swap?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

jrue
tyreke
pj tucker
AD
Embiid or Vonleh

I can dig that

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good point bro. but do jrue and tyreke provide enough shooting ability to keep em honest?

I'll tell ya this, as opposed to most small forwards PJ Tucker is a waaay better prospect for us.

His 3pt % isn't as lethal as some, but he gets to the free throw line so much more than the other ones it isn't even funny

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

Can't we just do a Ryan Anderson for the 8th or 6th pick straight out swap?

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if we did that I'd go against almost every core belief I have as a coach and fan and draft Rodney Hood.

Sorry, he isn't much of a defender nor rebounder and isn't long as I like em to be.

But it would be like making Ryan Anderson a SF and that's what we need. He could play in the league yesterday with that shot. It's high, quick and he can nail it from beyond 3pt range.

idk if he can shoot it just flicking it up there like ryno though

think about this guys, every time Ryno shot in the last two years, people were chasing his arse around. when he starts getting open looks watch out.

while he played last year, he was out-shooting Steph Curry in percentage while taking more per game

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

good point bro. but do jrue and tyreke provide enough shooting ability to keep em honest?

I'll tell ya this, as opposed to most small forwards PJ Tucker is a waaay better prospect for us.

His 3pt % isn't as lethal as some, but he gets to the free throw line so much more than the other ones it isn't even funny

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Without a doubt, most teams only have 2 wings who can shoot the 3 anyway, and there u have jrue and pucker, not to mention AD spreads the floor and if we go Vonleh he can shoot the 3.

I love having the idea of 2 combo guard's in ur back court, just like the suns do.

If you have tyreke running point with jrue and pucker spotted up u can't double tyreke, if u do u have a knock down 3 pt shooter open, if u bring a big davis is so fast and will get to the basket and tyreke will drive and dish to him, and if u don't double tyreke, well no one in the NBA can really guard him, i've seen him embarrass top NBA defenders like Tony Allen.

Plus can u imagine the defense from jrue, tucker, AD and Vonleh? yikes.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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I agree, except that Dell is always thinking a few movies ahead. He would trade for that 19-20yr old if he knows he can move them for the true piece he wants. That would be the only reason we try to buy into the lottery.

It's totally Demps' MO to target an experienced player young enough to have a lot of his prime left.

And given that Jrue Holiday and Tyreke have given us fits as opponents...wonder what's the likelyhood we give serious inquiry about Rudy Gay?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's totally Demps' MO to target an experienced player young enough to have a lot of his prime left.

And given that Jrue Holiday and Tyreke have given us fits as opponents...wonder what's the likelyhood we give serious inquiry about Rudy Gay?

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Where would we squeeze that huge salary?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Where would we squeeze that huge salary?

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That's the major hiccup. Would have to unload Gordon for starters...

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Originally Posted by Schmide234

I agree, except that Dell is always thinking a few movies ahead. He would trade for that 19-20yr old if he knows he can move them for the true piece he wants. That would be the only reason we try to buy into the lottery.

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Now THAT is a possibility. Maybe Minny said to him - He get me a top 7 pick and Ryan Anderson and Love is yours. Something like that, yeah I can see. But there is just no way a main piece is gone and a 19 or 20 yr old is in his place come opening day. I just can't see it

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Now THAT is a possibility. Maybe Minny said to him - He get me a top 7 pick and Ryan Anderson and Love is yours. Something like that, yeah I can see. But there is just no way a main piece is gone and a 19 or 20 yr old is in his place come opening day. I just can't see it

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I see what you are saying, but I cannot see that being enough to get Love.

If Klay Thompson and Davis Lee supposedly are, I cant imagine Ryno and a top pick arent. I mean, when you consider salary Ryno is 2 to 3 times more valuable than Lee and when you factor in what it is going to cost to keep Klay (not to mention the fact that he isnt very good), then I can see a top pick being close in value.

Ryno and a top 5-7 pick trumps anything I have heard so far.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

If Klay Thompson and Davis Lee supposedly are, I cant imagine Ryno and a top pick arent. I mean, when you consider salary Ryno is 2 to 3 times more valuable than Lee and when you factor in what it is going to cost to keep Klay (not to mention the fact that he isnt very good), then I can see a top pick being close in value.

Ryno and a top 5-7 pick trumps anything I have heard so far.

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Maybe as a Pelicans' fan, but with Ryno coming off of an injury and supposedly GS also including a future 1st (although some reports have had the 1st the other way), I think Minny would prefer the GS offer. Not to mention, Love would not commit to re-signing with us IMO.

Off- topic just saw Tyreke in the mall dude is tall but he looks like he's out of shape lol

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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MM - Ryno & AD together doesn't sound like the end game Monty has in mind. I remember a post (or a tweet, not sure) about the dichotomy of Dell's vision vs. Monty's. Ryno/AD is circa 2014 Spurs and Embiid/Vonleh paired with AD seems like the '99 Spurs. IF Ryno is moved to ultimately land a "5" in the mold of Monty's ideal model, that would suggest that Monty has some teeth within the organization.

What now


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Would I trade Gordon for Gay? Of course, Gay is a better player and isn't injury prone. But they would never do that, would I give up Gordon and a 1st for Gay? IDK, every team gay has ever left has gotten better.

tyreke
jrue
gay
ryno
davis

we def won't have a problem scoring the ball.

What's all this stuff about the PELICANS trading Holiday? If they did trade him who would be our starting pg?


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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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This was very well said by the way:)

But consider, is it possible Dell was as sincere as hell when he explained what the organization was looking for and the desired, subsequent age-range; but since this proclamation he has in fact- Simply Changed His Mind? Perhaps after talks with Monty and others or even our club's performance or more likely (what I think)

He looked at this year's draft and the free-agent market and came to the conclusion that he could get a better SF from the draft

than he could get through free agency considering how much cap room we have in addition to having two holes to fis in SF and CENTER



here's where I get loopy:
once he started studying these small forwards... is when genius came through and he decided to rolll to quote "99 spurs style"

jrue
morrow
ariza
Noah Vonleh
AD


say what yal want, but if the world wants to let Noah Vonleh slip to 6-8 we should move on in. period.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Would I trade Gordon for Gay? Of course, Gay is a better player and isn't injury prone. But they would never do that, would I give up Gordon and a 1st for Gay? IDK, every team gay has ever left has gotten better.

tyreke
jrue
gay
ryno
davis

we def won't have a problem scoring the ball.

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I wish we could trade Gordon for Gay but KINGS probably wouldn't do that. Gordon to PACERS would be a great idea though.



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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mbck5ln

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Best i got. Sorry. I'll see myself out.:(

Send Ryan Anderson, Pierre Jackson, and 2015 and 2016 top 5 protected 1st round picks for the 2nd pick to HOPEFULLY select Jabari Parker!!!!!


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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Would I trade jrue for a top 5 pick? Only if I could land one of the top 3 of embiid wiggins or Parker. Besides that no, I wouldn't give him up for vonleh or exum. would I trade tyreke for a top 12 pick? If I could land levine or vonleh yes if not no

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Sheeeeet I'd give up holiday for exum in the blink of an eye. You're sleeping on exum big time.

Or send Jrue, Anderson, and 2015 1st round too 5 protected pick AND a 2016 top 8 protected pick for the 2nd pick of this draft to select Jabari Parker


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Carmelo Anthony is a poor man's Jabari Parker.


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i reckon Ryno gets dealt for the Kings 8th pick.. i can so see it happening, and we select Aaron Gordon.

Why wouldn't kings do it.. they would have the best Big man combo in the league.

And it helps us free salary and the overload at the PF position, to sign possibly hayward.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Or send Jrue, Anderson, and 2015 1st round too 5 protected pick AND a 2016 top 8 protected pick for the 2nd pick of this draft to select Jabari Parker


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Protected picks don't work like that broski...

I think we'll trade Gordon for Monroe right away.... We'll have to do what it takes. If we make that trade happen I say we take a risk and try to do what we can to land Jabari Parker. He is the best SF to enter the league in years. If we pull that off we will have more cap space and can add experienced bench players and team players.


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It would have to be a 2017 protected pick.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

What's all this stuff about the PELICANS trading Holiday? If they did trade him who would be our starting pg?


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tyreke, but we aren't trading jrue.

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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Originally Posted by JunkHead

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mbck5ln

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LMAO I'll tell you what, if you would take last year's team and pulled off this trade ......we would be a wicked offense.

but i still think getting rudy gay would be just the first move

cause im under the impression that getting a quality center is the only way to get AD to resign with us

jrue
tyreke
rudy gay
ryan anderson
anthony davis

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

I think we'll trade Gordon for Monroe right away.... We'll have to do what it takes. If we make that trade happen I say we take a risk and try to do what we can to land Jabari Parker. He is the best SF to enter the league in years. If we pull that off we will have more cap space and can add experienced bench players and team players.


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Very good possibility, Dell said he doesn't want to have to give up ryno or a 1st but in order to move gordon, who is handicapping this team so bad right now that he might have to.

sign and trade for monroe then sign pj tucker.

tyreke
jrue
pj tucker
ad
monroe

the team would be better, tucker is a better fit than gordon and monroe is better than ryno. What i would really want is to find a way to get rid of gordon and sign parsons or hayward but it won't happen

tyreke
jrue
parsons or hayward
ryno
davis

i love that team.

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

LMAO I'll tell you what, if you would take last year's team and pulled off this trade ......we would be a wicked offense.

but i still think getting rudy gay would be just the first move

cause im under the impression that getting a quality center is the only way to get AD to resign with us

jrue
tyreke
rudy gay
ryan anderson
anthony davis

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I wouldn't worry about AD resigning, idk if any player has ever turned down a 5 year max contract, regardless of who he plays for.

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

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I would love for that to happen, but it won't the kings aren't getting anything, they are getting a worse player than rudy gay in eric gordon, on a longer contract, we would have to throw in a 1st IMO.

Something I did consider though

Ryno, Gordon, PJax
for Gay and their #8 pick

doubt that do that either, but they need a PF.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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Enough to send this board into a frenzy

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I know people say Dell is so hard to predict, but I dont agree. We might not always get the exact player right, but we always know the type of player and criteria. If he were to trade a core piece for another 19 or 20 year old, it would be a total shock. It would go against everything he has said and everything he has done the last few years.

People can talk all they want about whether they would do it or not, but if you step outside of yourself and think like Dell, there is no more anti-Dell move than trading an established young vet for an unproven 19 or 20 yr old. If it happens, it will go against everything we know about Dell's philosophies.

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I think you think this is true. About Dell's philosophy. But we really have no evidence that this is always true.

Think about it this way, we know for a fact that Dell will trade a draft choice for a young vet if there isn't a rookie he really like and believes in. We don't know what Dell will do of there is a rookie he really likes that he thinks is an ideal long term roster fit.

Last years draft was historically bad. We can't use the Jrue trade as evidence and say that's what Dell's philosophy always is.

If Dell was in a position to draft Wiggins, Embiid, or Parker and put them next to Davis, we'd expect him to draft a rookie. Maybe there is a player, Vonleh perhaps, that Dell really, really likes.

Like I said, we have no evidence that Dell is anti-rookie. Only the single sample of the Jrue trade

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Curious. How far do y'all think Embiid could drop?


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4-6

Everyone thought Jrue was untouchable, but we got him.

I still wonder if there is a chance we could do a sign and trade for parsons or gordon hayward, like ryno and a 1st, you never know, then sign blatche.

tyreke
jrue
parsons/hayward
ad
blatche