New Orleans Pelicans NBA Trade Deadline Rumor Mill

I really don't understand why we are trying to get rid of Evans, he and Monty must really not be getting along.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

If he is a decent defender and comes at a reasonable price, I guess he is worth a shot. I just wonder why Denver would not pick up his option given how low it was.

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Because they have Wilson Chandler and Galo on the same team.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Because they have Wilson Chandler and Galo on the same team.

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But, to keep a young player with potential for a little over the league minimum seems like a no-brainer regardless of position.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

I really don't understand why we are trying to get rid of Evans, he and Monty must really not be getting along.

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My theory is that Dell can't even get an expiring for Gordon, so he knows he has to keep him. Now, he is looking to see if he can get something positive for Evans - specifically a SF or C. For instance, if Evans helps him get the assets to acquire Asik, he does it. I don't think he is trying to just dump Evans. I think he is willing to move him if he can net something positive because he can't get anything positive for Gordon.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Man. I keep reading Evans name mentioned as a player that we are trying to trade-

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/

I don't understand that for a couple of reasons. First, we just signed him. Second, we overpaid him to get him (to outprice the Kings and other teams), so it should be understood that his contract will be tough to unload. If true, it makes me wonder what Dell's plan is for this team. It seems as if he just wings it and if it doesn't work, move on to something else.

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I understand what Dell is doing. He knows we can't keep Gordon and Evans because it hamstrings us too much with cap. He'd most likely rather keep Evans but if he can't move Gordon that leaves the only option of moving Evans. No matter what the "media" says about Evans contract I think there would be some takers on him, when you look at all his advanced stats he's basically playing at his ROTY level if not slightly better. The question is whether Dell can get enough value or he rides out the logjam at SG.

I do think if we move Evans that means we stop actively trying to trade Gordon. He will most likely be here until he opts out or the following year.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

But, to keep a young player with potential for a little over the league minimum seems like a no-brainer regardless of position.

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They still have Quincy Miller and Randolph as well both signed through next year if I'm not mistaken. He was the only one up this year at a position they had 5 players at.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

My theory is that Dell can't even get an expiring for Gordon, so he knows he has to keep him. Now, he is looking to see if he can get something positive for Evans - specifically a SF or C. For instance, if Evans helps him get the assets to acquire Asik, he does it. I don't think he is trying to just dump Evans. I think he is willing to move him if he can net something positive because he can't get anything positive for Gordon.

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Let's put it this way. I'd rather lose Monty than Evans, TO ME Evans can be a part of a championship team.

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Originally Posted by eballa1

New Orleans--as noted in today's primer--is working hard to offload either Eric Gordon or Tyreke Evans, rival execs say.

— Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) February 19, 2014

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My guess is we were planning on moving just Gordon when we got Reke and promised Reke that he'd probably start, but for rhte interim we'd use him like Ginobli. But the trade is taking longer than anticipated.

Before, I bet teams just wanted to see if Gordon could stay healthy, now they're wondering if Gordon is even good enough to warrant paying him that much cheddar.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

My guess is we were planning on moving just Gordon when we got Reke and promised Reke that he'd probably start, but for rhte interim we'd use him like Ginobli. But the trade is taking longer than anticipated.

Before, I bet teams just wanted to see if Gordon could stay healthy, now they're wondering if Gordon is even good enough to warrant paying him that much cheddar.

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This is my thought exactly. But to me that still doesn't mean we should give up on Evans.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

This is my thought exactly. But to me that still doesn't mean we should give up on Evans.

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Just because you trade a player, doesn't mean you gave up on them.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Let's put it this way. I'd rather lose Monty than Evans, TO ME Evans can be a part of a championship team.

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+1

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

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+2... I suppose you finally concede that Monty is the Devil and should be exiled into the bowels of Hell?

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Let's put it this way. I'd rather lose Monty than Evans, TO ME Evans can be a part of a championship team.

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No idea how that relates to my statement, but I agree.

Again, I think you have two somewhat redundant players and one is viewed as a negative asset, so the logical next step would be to see if the next one could net you positive returns. They might both be shopped, but I believe Dell is expecting far different returns on each item. Neither will be met, and they will both be here on Friday.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

+2... I suppose you finally concede that Monty is the Devil and should be exiled into the bowels of Hell?

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Lol no no. I just would rather lose Monty than Reke. I don't think Monty is the answer by any means I just don't think he's the spawn of Hell.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No idea how that relates to my statement, but I agree.

Again, I think you have two somewhat redundant players and one is viewed as a negative asset, so the logical next step would be to see if the next one could net you positive returns. They might both be shopped, but I believe Dell is expecting far different returns on each item. Neither will be met, and they will both be here on Friday.

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Basically, let's stop trying to trade Evans.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Let's put it this way. I'd rather lose Monty than Evans, TO ME Evans can be a part of a championship team.

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This!

Remember this for next 48 hours: Anyone leaking trade rumors is trying to spin something/pressure talks. It may be true, but it is all spin.

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) February 19, 2014

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Basically, let's stop trying to trade Evans.

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What if you can get Asik for him? Even then? Under no circumstance should he be moved?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

What if you can get Asik for him? Even then? Under no circumstance should he be moved?

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I personally wouldn't move Evans for Asik.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

What if you can get Asik for him? Even then? Under no circumstance should he be moved?

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Nope. I'd move Gordon for Asik but not Evans. Asik gives us defense and absolutely nothing else and might actually kill our offense as bad as Aminu does. I'm not very high on him with his awful contract.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Nope. I'd move Gordon for Asik but not Evans. Asik gives us defense and absolutely nothing else and might actually kill our offense as bad as Aminu does. I'm not very high on him with his awful contract.

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I dont think we have to knock Asik to build up Evans. One might be more valuable on this team, but it wouldn't be a huge difference either way. Asik is more than "just a defender" and his contract is not horrible per cap purposes. Yes, Benson has to pay a huge sum, but he only counts for 8.3 mil against the cap, and he was a 12+ million dollar player production wise last year IMO.

What Asik gave Houston last year was very similar to what Chandler gave us in 07-08. Just sayin.

Yea I've seen a lot of Houston games last year and he is very good. Pair him with a guy like Davis and the frontline defense will be out of this world. Plus, he is actually above average to good on pick and roll offense. I've always liked him. The only problem they had last year, was that there was no one playing beside him that can play any lick of defense. Not only beside him, but Houston was terrible on defense on the perimeter last year.

Brooklyn-Sacramento nearing agreement on Jason Terry-Reggie Evans for Marcus Thornton deal, as Yahoo reported Tuesday. No picks or cash.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA) February 19, 2014

THRONTOWN!

I think we may be in need of some new leadership from top to bottom.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I think we may be in need of some new leadership from top to bottom.

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Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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I understand that and what I'm saying it's not 100% based on the rumors now. It's a lot of things combined now over the last 2 years from trades to draft picks to contracts. Lots of bad moves have been made. Have some good ones been made? Sure but so did the cavs gm. It just feels like a fresh start is needed in the front office and the bench. I'll always support whoever is currently here but time is def running out. When I say running out I mean results are needed by next year.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I dont think we have to knock Asik to build up Evans. One might be more valuable on this team, but it wouldn't be a huge difference either way. Asik is more than "just a defender" and his contract is not horrible per cap purposes. Yes, Benson has to pay a huge sum, but he only counts for 8.3 mil against the cap, and he was a 12+ million dollar player production wise last year IMO.

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How much was he worth every other year in the league? He has had one good offensive season. He is really, just a defender/rebounder. And come on, comparing his BEST offensive season he was still nowhere near as good offensively as Chandler. He is a career 5-7-0 guy on an 8m/yr contract.

Would I take him? Yes because we are so thin at center. Would I give up any or our core 4 for him? No.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Give me an honest answer here. Where do u rank dell out of 32 gms in the league? Based on all his work he's done here in the last 3 years.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I understand that and what I'm saying it's not 100% based on the rumors now. It's a lot of things combined now over the last 2 years from trades to draft picks to contracts. Lots of bad moves have been made. Have some good ones been made? Sure but so did the cavs gm. It just feels like a fresh start is needed in the front office and the bench. I'll always support whoever is currently here but time is def running out. When I say running out I mean results are needed by next year.

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Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

I'd love to have Asik here. For tyreke tho? No thank you

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's at least wait until moves are made before we throw Dell and Monty off a cliff. They are just rumors after all.

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Agreed! You never know what Dell has planned!

Can we please just trade gordon for an expiring and sign gordon hayward in the off-season

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I'd love to have Asik here. For tyreke tho? No thank you

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

Give me an honest answer here. Where do u rank dell out of 32 gms in the league? Based on all his work he's done here in the last 3 years.

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Somewhere around 12


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Originally Posted by Mythrol

How much was he worth every other year in the league? He has had one good offensive season. He is really, just a defender/rebounder. And come on, comparing his BEST offensive season he was still nowhere near as good offensively as Chandler. He is a career 5-7-0 guy on an 8m/yr contract.

Would I take him? Yes because we are so thin at center. Would I give up any or our core 4 for him? No.

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His only year as a starter. He was just as productive as a starter when Noah went down. Again, not much difference between he and Hornets Chandler in terms of production


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"The New York Knicks and Los Angeles Clippers are discussing a deal involving Iman Shumpert and Raymond Felton for Darren Collison. Frank Isola of the New York Daily News report that the Knicks would also acquire Reggie Bullock."


If Shumpert is going for that cheap, we should send them Rivers, Roberts and Jackson for that package....

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

His only year as a starter. He was just as productive as a starter when Noah went down. Again, not much difference between he and Hornets Chandler in terms of production


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Chandler is WAY more efficient on offense than Asik.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

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The Gordon matching, drafting Austin rivers, trading a 1st rd pick for jarred bayless to then turn around and trade him a month later with Peja for Jarrett jack, Marcus banks, and David Andersen. Those are a few. This is the problem. He's been here since 2010. What has he done? Besides the ayon trade to Orlando for Ryno.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Besides resigning Gordon, which many people felt we had to do at the time, what bad move has Dell made?

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If your Bill Simmons, you would say the Evans trade, the Holiday trade, and getting rid of Vasquez and Lopez, and the whole CP3 to Clippers deal if you assume that the team generated that and not David Stern.

On the flip side, you could argue that $44 Million for Tyreke is worthwhile if he plays to potential, and that Jrue Holliday is worth 2 unknown draft pics because the long term success rate on NBA draft pics is not all that great, and that Demps dumped Lopez and Vasquez because no matter how cheap they were, he wanted to try to get better and to do that you have to spend money.

A person's valuing Dell Demps as a GM is all about how they view Evans and Holliday and maybe Gordon depending on your worldview as to how that all went down.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Somewhere around 12


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U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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Name 15 better gms with all of their trades then, be my guest

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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So what was the Jrue trade?

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

U think there are only 11 gms better than dell?? Idk man since 2010 he's done nothing but do a bunch of trades with scrubs except for Ryno.

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So please rank all the GMs in the league with all their moves. Let's see that spreadsheet, so we can grade them.

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Originally Posted by cki3915

If your Bill Simmons, you would say the Evans trade, the Holiday trade, and getting rid of Vasquez and Lopez, and the whole CP3 to Clippers deal if you assume that the team generated that and not David Stern.

On the flip side, you could argue that $44 Million for Tyreke is worthwhile if he plays to potential, and that Jrue Holliday is worth 2 unknown draft pics because the long term success rate on NBA draft pics is not all that great, and that Demps dumped Lopez and Vasquez because no matter how cheap they were, he wanted to try to get better and to do that you have to spend money.

A person's valuing Dell Demps as a GM is all about how they view Evans and Holliday and maybe Gordon depending on your worldview as to how that all went down.

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I agree. We could def do much worse that's for sure. When u say 2 unknown picks well now we can look at 1 of them and say we could of drafted Burke or mcw and the drop off is not enough to warrant 2 first rd picks. Yea it's 20/20 hindsight but that's how we judge gms moves. They are the ones being paid the big bucks to evaluate the talent and identify it. We missed on Burke and mcw for sure. I love holiday but seeing how those 2 kids are playing. I'd take either of them and our 1st rd pick this year back in a heart beat. I didn't like the Evans signing at the time only cause of how our roster was currently constructed. It's now proving right. Too many ball dominant guards. It's not working. Maybe he can right the ship and make some good moves here. We shall see.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

So please rank all the GMs in the league with all their moves. Let's see that spreadsheet, so we can grade them.

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http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/dell_demps.htm

Grade that spread sheet. It's a bunch of nothing.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Chandler is WAY more efficient on offense than Asik.

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Basically he took one less shot per 36 minutes and made close to the same amount. Other than that, mostly everything else was similar and that was without the best PG in the world throwing him lobs.

Is he exactly the same player? No. But he played like a 12 million dollar player last year and is not the stiff on offense that some portray him as


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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Lol no no. I just would rather lose Monty than Reke. I don't think Monty is the answer by any means I just don't think he's the spawn of Hell.

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Walk always in the light, or we will drag you to it.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/dell_demps.htm

Grade that spread sheet. It's a bunch of nothing.

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You're seriously ridicolous. Like, pathetic. It's YOU saying dell's **** so it's YOU the one who has to prove that to other people, not the other way 'round.