Pelican draft workouts

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

McNamara said yesterday that Dell doesn't even like Oladipo.

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REALLY?!?!!?!!?? I didnt want to draft him, but i find that hard to believe... Mcnamara is making progress my friends.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Then who does he like? I thought Dipo was the Monty/Dell player he used to refute the potential of drafting Burke.

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From recent tweets he's now on the CJ bandwagon.

As am I.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think he almost has to in order to be an impact player. He doesn't have any advantages as a 3. Average athlete, slightly below average shooter, and he'll be undersized. At the 2 he can use his size and length to his advantage. I think he has enough laterally quickness to stay in front of enough guys where he's not a liability.

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One aspect of Vasquez at the 3 that intrigues me is it would allow us to get an extra ballhandler/passer on the floor. New York found a lot of late season success through a Pablo Prigs/Raymond Felton/Iman Shumpert lineup that helped them reduce turnovers, space the floor and push the ball when the opportunity arose.

Having said that, Shumpert's a really strong defender and that really keyed the ability to do that. Unless Vasquez is a significantly better defender against wings than he is at the point he's gonna have trouble transitioning there.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

As am I.

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I've got ticket in hand, ready to tear in if they select him draft night :hihi: Like him a lot as well.

Im fine with the three guard sets; i think i would go ballistic if Vazquez was our starting 2.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

REALLY?!?!!?!!?? I didnt want to draft him, but i find that hard to believe... Mcnamara is making progress my friends.

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Yeah I remember not to long ago Victor was supposed to be Dell's biggest man crush. Not to take a shot at MM he does his due diligence. Just goes to show how fluid things are.

Finally have a DX scouting vid on Len

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Yeah I remember not to long ago Victor was supposed to be Dell's biggest man crush. Not to take a shot at MM he does his due diligence. Just goes to how fluid things are.

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He is a good journalist when he is objective. The problem is he lets opinions or emotion affect his judgement sometimes.

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Originally Posted by MonsterMash

One aspect of Vasquez at the 3 that intrigues me is it would allow us to get an extra ballhandler/passer on the floor. New York found a lot of late season success through a Pablo Prigs/Raymond Felton/Iman Shumpert lineup that helped them reduce turnovers, space the floor and push the ball when the opportunity arose.

Having said that, Shumpert's a really strong defender and that really keyed the ability to do that. Unless Vasquez is a significantly better defender against wings than he is at the point he's gonna have trouble transitioning there.

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I thought we were discussing Shabazz.

If we draft Burke we would be very deep at the 1 and 2 (assuming Burke pans out of course). Burke/Vazquez/Roberts Gordon/Rivers is an intriguing combo...

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Yeah I remember not to long ago Victor was supposed to be Dell's biggest man crush. Not to take a shot at MM he does his due diligence. Just goes to show how fluid things are.

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Or, more likely, that the Supervillain is lying his butt off.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Or, more likely, that the Supervillain is lying his butt off.

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Man O man can you imagine this board if we get Dipo? :hihi: 10 threads in the first hour about Gordon trade scenarios, no less than 100 HornetGuru hypothetical lineups :hihi:

Oh please Lord, throw me a bone.

I'd rather draft CJ and keep Gordon and Rivers for now. We still need a center, but I don't like Len that much.

I'd rather take CJ over Burke and Oladipo.

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I'd rather take CJ over Burke and Oladipo.

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I've said from day one that Oladipo's offense worries me. I know he was really efficient, but he really didn't take very many shots.

Burke, don't get me wrong I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him, I think he'll be a good player, but he isn't what this team needs.

Then you have McCollum, who brings elite offense. His off the dribble game is unreal, and it's probably the hardest thing to master in the game.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

REALLY?!?!!?!!?? I didnt want to draft him, but i find that hard to believe... Mcnamara is making progress my friends.

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I'd take who MM says dell likes w a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I've said from day one that Oladipo's offense worries me. I know he was really efficient, but he really didn't take very many shots.

Burke, don't get me wrong I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him, I think he'll be a good player, but he isn't what this team needs.

Then you have McCollum, who brings elite offense. His off the dribble game is unreal, and it's probably the hardest thing to master in the game.

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I totally agree. His ability to create off the dribble is can't be learned at an older age. I like a CJ/Gordon backcourt with Rivers as the 6th man.

Smoke screen.... I hope he leaves a bunch of smoke screens so nobody knows who we're drafting. It makes a team have to move in front of us to grab the player we said we wanted. 3 weeks till the draft, come on.

Anyone know where I can download the Lehigh vs Duke game from a couple years back?

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I totally agree. His ability to create off the dribble is can't be learned at an older age. I like a CJ/Gordon backcourt with Rivers as the 6th man.

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Or I wouldn't mind a Rivers/Gordon backcourt with McCollum off the bench. That's the beauty of it.

@michaelhart912 #4 is my #1, but I don't think he will be there. CJ is my #2. TB3 is #8 for me personally

— Michael McNamara (@McNamara247) June 7, 2013

#4 is Dipo obviously. So Burke is #8 on MM's big board. Wow.

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Or I wouldn't mind a Rivers/Gordon backcourt with McCollum off the bench. That's the beauty of it.

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You could go either way but I think CJ would start over Rivers right now and be a better fit next to Gordon due to his shooting. But you could go either way.

McCollum is the safest pick and hell fit the best with our team at this point. If Austin can't be the pg we need he can probably play it also similarly. We at least get a good back SG, 6th man or even Gordon's replacement.

GV/Rivers/CJM/Gordon
Gordon/CJM/Rivers/GV

That's a whole lot of backcourt combinations lol it seems that team is going for a versatile team with players that are versatile and can play multiple positions. That's why Saric would have been great on this team. Good thing hell be in next years draft, if we get next plus CJM this year...Man oh man talk about offensive options and versatility. Saric can play probably 4 positions and against smaller teams, all 5.

I'd guess Len is the pick as of right now if the Dario news is in fact true. Just more need/playing time available for him than a C and the SF crop really falls off after Porter

Although things can certainly change at any moment, it doesn't seem Mccollum is headed hear anytime soon for a workout according to his schedule. According to HoopsHype, he has about 6 workouts scheduled before returning home on the 20th and it doesn't include NOP

Drafting a guard makes no sense if they aren't prepared to trade one of Gordon/Vasquez/Rivers.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Drafting a guard makes no sense if they aren't prepared to trade one of Gordon/Vasquez/Rivers.

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Like they would get anything for Rivers :hihi: It's solely Gordon or Vasquez or a Vasquez/Lopez package imo.

I've said it a bajillion times.

Chance Vasquez is off the team by beginning of season: 50%
Chance Vasquez is off the team by passing of trade deadline: 100%

No future here for him.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Drafting a guard makes no sense if they aren't prepared to trade one of Gordon/Vasquez/Rivers.

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Well according to the end of the season press conference the team held, Dell voiced that they were looking for an upgrade this offseason at the point guard position. So don't be surprised to see changes made at that position via draft or free agency in the coming weeks

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Or, more likely, that the Supervillain is lying his butt off.

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Or the blogger is talking out of his *** again.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I thought we were discussing Shabazz.

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Ah, my bad on that.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Like they would get anything for Rivers :hihi: It's solely Gordon or Vasquez or a Vasquez/Lopez package imo.

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Honestly I would like to see two of the three gone.

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Originally Posted by BP225

Drafting a guard makes no sense if they aren't prepared to trade one of Gordon/Vasquez/Rivers.

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3 guards with really no trade value?? People really over-value these guys. GV is nothing but a slow PG with empty numbers, would be a good backup, but that's it. Gordon's productions doesn't half match his salary. Rivers is just plain terrible right now.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Honestly I would like to see two of the three gone.

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which 2 would u like gone? im guessing GV and Gordon?

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

3 guards with really no trade value?? People really over-value these guys. GV is nothing but a slow PG with empty numbers, would be a good backup, but that's it. Gordon's productions doesn't half match his salary. Rivers is just plain terrible right now.

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Honestly I really don't know which Hornets team people watched last year. We need better play at virtually every position. Nobody in this draft shouldn't be an option. Even though PF is considered our strength I don't see how guys like Bennett and Zellers shouldn't be options. I like what we got from Anderson, but he's no game changer and the team can and should look to upgrade if there's a player that projects to be better than him.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Honestly I really don't know which Hornets team people watched last year. We need better play at virtually every position. Nobody in this draft shouldn't be an option. Even though PF is considered our strength I don't see how guys like Bennett and Zellers shouldn't be options. I like what we got from Anderson, but he's no game changer and the team can and should look to upgrade if there's a player that projects to be better than him.

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While I agree that PF is our least need, when you are in the lottery you are there for a reason. BPA. Period. I love the Horn...err Pelicans and our players and hope for development, but the "oh we are set there...we just need this.." is insane. We have 3 starting caliber players (one of whom can't even stay healthy), we need pretty much any talent we can get. I will honestly be psyched with whoever we get sadly enough because it will undoubtedly be an upgrade.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

which 2 would u like gone? im guessing GV and Gordon?

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Bingo. I would say in this order Gordon he makes way too much, is injured far too often is of the three he's the most likely to want to be some where else. Vasquez he is maxed out IMO and far exceed his abilities. It best to trade him after his statistical year. Lastly Rivers still raw and some time for him to be a quality role player/off the bench guy.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Honestly I would like to see two of the three gone.

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I would too just don't see them getting that much done, maybe GV at the deadline after a Gordon early trade.

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

There's always teams falling in love with a certain prospect. If they like Bazz that much, I could definitely see them picking him over Oladipo.

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Yeah, but the Suns love Oladipo, not Shabazz.

http://arizonasports.com/41/1640248/...Victor-Oladipo

Why is Burke only doing individual workouts
Similar strategy to lilard

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Originally Posted by sclark

Why is Burke only doing individual workouts
Similar strategy to lilard

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because all the top players do that..they listen to their agents who tell them it can only hurt and not help

Does it strike anyone as odd that 16 days out, we only know of one workout scheduled...Burke with an individual workout on the 14th. No group workouts announced, no other individual ones. I feel like we should know something by now.

I know Demps is probably at EuroCamp the past few days, and I know that last year our workouts were on the 17th and 18th I think. It just seems odd we've heard nothing.

I also find it strange. This is the last i read about it.

Monty on NBA draft: "This is the week we start to ramp it up. We've looked at a few players we'll have in for a workout or an interview."

— Jim Eichenhofer (@Jim_Eichenhofer) June 10, 2013

Hmmm...that is interesting. Only Saric and Burke has come up recently.

1230 AM WBOK's Ro Brown is going to try to go to the workouts for interviews and what not. And I might be shadowing him. If I go, I'll be sure to make threads about what physical impression I get of each player.

It's super tentative. I mean, I'm not even REMOTELY certain that I'll even get to go or whatever. Just felt it was relevant to say.

Edit: ALSO, gotta say that if I were to go, I wouldn't get to see the actual workouts. I might see some shoot arounds, but after they're done, Ro said that they usually let the prospect go to reporters and talk.

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Originally Posted by Smirk

Does it strike anyone as odd that 16 days out, we only know of one workout scheduled...Burke with an individual workout on the 14th. No group workouts announced, no other individual ones. I feel like we should know something by now.

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Even if Demps is in Europe Monty can run workouts. It is very odd. Demps allegedly loves Saric, has scouted him multiple times, and only has one workout scheduled with Burke who they supposedly (according to Chris Miles) don't think is any better than Vasquez. So no meaningful workouts + loves Saric but Saric is still talking about withdrawing because reports are he'll go in the 20s despite lots of interest from lottery teams? Is there a trade brewing? Rondo and #16 for a #6 package? It's got to be something to make it worth us dropping back far enough that Saric is still not happy.

The more logical assumption is they are firming up the list of workout attendees and don't want to release it until they are sure what and where. I'm trying not to read too much into it. Its just a bit odd.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

1230 AM WBOK's

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I don't think I'll find myself listening to that station any time soon...but tell us how it goes. lol

I don't find anything strange. There have been times when we didn't know which guys were coming in until the day before or the day OF the workout. Last year it was said they'd start bringing in players on 6/4 for workouts... we didn't even know until THAT DAY which guys would be participating in the workouts.

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showth...draft+workouts