2012 - 2013 Finals

Notice the difference when Parker plays.

By the way LSU losing 2-1

#anybodybutHeat!

Hmmm, Where are the Heat supporters tonight?

Go UCLA!

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Originally Posted by PowerPel

#anybodybutHeat!

Hmmm, Where are the Heat supporters tonight?

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Back under their rocks crying about the refs.

Is there a tv channel that has the full post game press conferences?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Back under their rocks crying about the refs.

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:hihi:

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Originally Posted by Kidcompanies

Is there a tv channel that has the full post game press conferences?

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NBA TV, NBA.com

Would be nice to see the Spurs close it out in 6...

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Originally Posted by DirtySouf

Would be nice to see the Spurs close it out in 6...

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Nah.....let's go to 7.
Hopefully the Spurs win by 1 point in quadtriple overtime
I'd love that!

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Nah.....let's go to 7.
Hopefully the Spurs win by 1 point in quadtriple overtime
I'd love that!

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LOL... I'm ready to get this over with...

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

crying about the refs.

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Oxymoron

I hate when Heat fans cry about the refs.

Still rooting for the Heat, but Ginobili played a fantastic game.

Certainly been one of my favorite players to watch growing up.

Great response by the Spurs Big Three.

Should make for an interesting Game 6.

I personally believe the Heat would win Game 7. Every win for the Heat has come from a sense of desperation which causes LeBron to actually try rather than go through the motions. It's up to San Antonio to win Game 6 or the pressure is really on.

Duncan > LBJ

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Originally Posted by The JNR

I personally believe the Heat would win Game 7. Every win for the Heat has come from a sense of desperation which causes LeBron to actually try rather than go through the motions. It's up to San Antonio to win Game 6 or the pressure is really on.

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I gotta feeling if the heat win, it will come down to what they are willing to call for lebron. We lebron doesn't get calls, he tends to shy away from the paint (as you saw last game). However, if the spurs can hit from deep, that will be null and void and the spurs will win.

I don't think the heat can beat pop n the spurs 2 In a row. Spurs role players are in another stratosphere co pared to Miamis role players. Danny greene gets the finals MVP.

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

I don't think the heat can beat pop n the spurs 2 In a row. Spurs role players are in another stratosphere co pared to Miamis role players. Danny greene gets the finals MVP.

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Yeah, and to be honest, if the Heat lose this time around, the talks of "Has this experiment been a fail?" will begin.

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

Yeah, and to be honest, if the Heat lose this time around, the talks of "Has this experiment been a fail?" will begin.

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They won a championship. Not sure how it can be considered a failure. Sure they didn't win multiple titles like people expected, but getting there 3 times and winning 1 is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

They won a championship. Not sure how it can be considered a failure. Sure they didn't win multiple titles like people expected, but getting there 3 times and winning 1 is pretty good.

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The not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 etc is why'd Itd be discussed. Really only 1 ring I'm sure they'd admit would be disappointing.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

The not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 etc is why'd Itd be discussed. Really only 1 ring I'm sure they'd admit would be disappointing.

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But it's not a failure.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

They won a championship. Not sure how it can be considered a failure. Sure they didn't win multiple titles like people expected, but getting there 3 times and winning 1 is pretty good.

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I agree with this. The problem for them is that they put those expectations out there with the pep rally. If not for that, I'd say most would compare them to Boston's experiment in which they came away with 1 ring and only two finals appearances. The Heat have already surpassed this so I think this would do more to harm LeBron's legacy more than it would hurt the "so called Big 3 experiment" in Miami.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

But it's not a failure.

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In your opinion it's not. Others it may be. One opinion is not absolute.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

In your opinion it's not. Others it may be. One opinion is not absolute.

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Again, it's not an opinion. They won a championship. It can not be considered a failure. A disappointment? sure. But not a failure.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Again, it's not an opinion. They won a championship. It can not be considered a failure. A disappointment? sure. But not a failure.

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Oh ok.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Again, it's not an opinion. They won a championship. It can not be considered a failure. A disappointment? sure. But not a failure.

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If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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I disagree. A failure would be what the Knicks, Nets, and Lakers did. There's a difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

If a threshold was set, then I would say yes it is.

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You're wrong. It's a fact, didn't you hear ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You're wrong. It's a fact, didn't you hear ? :rolleyes:

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Yea...thanks for adding absolutely nothing. Make your debate that much stronger. Weak.

I don't really argue with people who call their opinions facts, what's the point ?

There's not a lot to debate. If you set a goal and you don't achieve it, you did not succeed.

IF([Championships]>=2,Pass,Fail)

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

There's not a lot to debate. If you set a goal and you don't achieve it, you did not succeed.

IF([Championships]>=2,Pass,Fail)

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I have a formula!

Lol, I don't necessarily agree that it's a failure; I'd have to think about it. The gut reaction feels that way though.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't really argue with people who call their opinions facts, what's the point ?

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I can't help you if you can't tell the difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

I can't help you if you can't tell the difference between a disappointment and a failure.

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This is why I don't argue with members like you anymore. It's going to go on a personal level and you're not going to be swayed because you've already decided you're right. Lets just go our separate ways before this gets more disrespectful.

There's nothing personal about it. The point remains the same. I brought up a very clear difference between what's a failure vs a disappointment. Miami is not in the same boat as the Knicks, Nets, or Lakers of this past year. They are failures because they were unable to get 1 title. Miami might have not win 3+ titles that people thought they were but they were able to win 1 which supports my case.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

They won a championship. Not sure how it can be considered a failure. Sure they didn't win multiple titles like people expected, but getting there 3 times and winning 1 is pretty good.

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I have to disagree. When you put together a team with 2 of the top 5 players in the league and another player who is in the top 3 of his position (Lebron #1, Wade #2, and Bosh a top 3 PF in his own right), you assemble the best supporting cast in almost ever, 3 finals appearances, and only 1 championship? That's a failure to me. When you put together a team like that, a championship is almost GUARANTEED, GIVEN! And not only was it one ring, it was a ring in a shortened season. It's a big difference b/w a lockout season and regular 82 game season.

Disappointment is the same thing as failure to me. IF you didn't set out and achieve your goal, then it is a failure. And to be honest, one championship was expected, that was a given. That's why it wasn't a really big deal when MIA won their ring last year.

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

I have to disagree. When you put together a team with 3 top 10 position players (Lebron #1, Wade #2, and Bosh a top 3 PF in his own right), you assemble the best supporting cast in almost ever, 3 finals appearances, and only 1 championship? That's a failure to me. When you put together a team like that, a championship is almost GUARANTEED, GIVEN! And not only was a one ring, it was a ring in a shortened season. It's a big difference b/w a lockout season and regular 82 game season.

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If the Clippers were able to form that big 3 with Paul, Howard, and big time player and never wins a championship, do you put them in the same boat as Miami as a failure? Apparently, I'm not in touch with the way some of y'all feel consider what a failure is, so I ask this simple question.

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Yes.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

If the Clippers were able to form that big 3 with Paul, Howard, and big time player and never wins a championship, do you put them in the same boat as Miami as a failure? Apparently, I'm not in touch with the way some of y'all feel consider what a failure is, so I ask this simple question.

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Yeah, THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE TOO! When you assemble a borderline all-star team and come out of an era with only ONE ring to show for it, that is underachieving, failing, coming up short, they are all the same things. Just like the Nash-Kobe-Gasol-Howard thing was failure, and how the Drexler-Pippen-Barkley thing was a failure. But you wanna know why the MIA thing is even a bigger failure? Because all those dudes are in the top of their positions AND are in their primes. The 2 I mentioned, pretty much all of their players (except for Howard) are over the hill and ring chasing and have pretty much dropped off of the radar. Same thing with Garnett-Pierce-Allen, those dudes were near done and at the end of their careers. Heck, people were even STILL picking the Cavs to knock them off. NO ONE has picked the Heat to be knocked off, NO ONE.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

Yeah, THAT WOULD BE A FAILURE TOO! When you assemble a borderline all-star team and come out of an era with only ONE ring to show for it, that is underachieving, failing, coming up short, they are all the same things. Just like the Nash-Kobe-Gasol-Howard thing was failure, and how the Drexler-Pippen-Barkley thing was a failure. But you wanna know why the MIA thing is even a bigger failure? Because all those dudes are in the top of their positions AND are in their primes. The 2 I mentioned, pretty much all of their players (except for Howard) are over the hill and ring chasing and have pretty much dropped off of the radar. Same thing with Garnett-Pierce-Allen, those dudes were near done and at the end of their careers. Heck, people were even STILL picking the Cavs to knock them off. NO ONE has picked the Heat to be knocked off, NO ONE.

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Ok. It's clear to me now why there's a difference in the way we feel.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who's the third player ? Like an example of the tier he's in? Top 3 at his position?

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Lebron is arguably the best player in the NBA.
Wade is arguably either the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA.
Bosh, if not considered to be a top 10 player in the NBA (which I think he is), is considered to be in the top 3 when it comes to PF's.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Yes.

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Hell yeah that's a failure. Even if they make it to the finals. I think Miami's failure line was as high as any teams ever if that matters; it's also going to be discussed that they won in a lockout year ..

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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To be honest, when you assemble a team like that, I'm expecting at least 1 3-peat.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Did they also do something similar or comparative to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT-I8jQDQ7c

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To be honest, when you assemble a team like that, I'm expecting at least 1 3-peat.

I just realized that CNN was broadcasting that. lol

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Originally Posted by smittywerb

Lebron is arguably the best player in the NBA.
Wade is arguably either the 2nd or 3rd best player in the NBA.
Bosh, if not considered to be a top 10 player in the NBA (which I think he is), is considered to be in the top 3 when it comes to PF's.

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Actually it's not arguable; Lebron is the best player in the league and I'm not sure of anyone who doesn't outlandishly have a personal hate for him that would argue that. Wade at the time was a top 3 player and bosh was what top 12? (We're agreeing lol).

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

I just realized that CNN was broadcasting that. lol

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Because nothing like it was done! This wasn't The genius of a front office using strategic picks and signings to build a dynasty (like the 80's Celtics), these dudes took the league by surprise and basically held the league by its balls! There has not been a big ANYTHING with 3 top 10 players ALL IN THEIR PRIMES.

And if you know the story of it, this thing was in the making for more than 4 years.