Eric Bledsoe or Trey Burke

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

Is Burke or Smart strong P&R guy's?

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Burke relies heavily on the P&R and Smart.. from what I saw this year in a couple of games, runs the pick and roll from time to time. How well he runs it? Might want to ask someone who've watch a lot of his games.

burke PnR, Smart runs isolation

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

burke PnR, Smart runs isolation

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I don't agree with the Smart analysis. He is more opportunistic and anything else. He plays off ball, slash, and P&R too. From the games I've watched, OSU likes to run the high pick for him and at times, the double screens.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

burke PnR, Smart runs isolation

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Curious how much smart you've watched.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Curious how much smart you've watched.

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a decent ammount, I was the one super high on smart before his first game because i loved the way he played in high school and his all around game but in the pro's i feel burke will be a better floor general and run an offense through pick and rolls and smart will be more of a combo guard and be on a team with some ISO players

I haven't watched a ton on Smart but what I have seen is they're a different class of player. I do love Burke a lot (hedging my argument hahah) but I love Smarts overall game.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

burke PnR, Smart runs isolation

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This is funny. I rarely saw him go iso. He either posts up, goes off-screen or uses a ball screen. Are you sure you've watched him play?

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Originally Posted by nikkoewan

This is funny. I rarely saw him go iso. He either posts up, goes off-screen or uses a ball screen. Are you sure you've watched him play?

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I wasnt referring to their college games I was saying how they will be used in the pro's

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

I wasnt referring to their college games I was saying how they will be used in the pro's

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Oh, you can't know that though. Different coaches do different things.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Oh, you can't know that though. Different coaches do different things.

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Agree with BallSoHard. But why would you assume that? The league is slowly moving away from isolations. Even the best scorers in the league find themselves moving away from isolations and instead opting for the more diverse and dynamic play types like postups, off-screens and ball screens.

The assumption that Smart will be used heavily (or a good part) in isolation is just stereotyping.

i dont even know why this is a question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhtnEvjsf8

Watch that.. he is CP3 Clone in my opinion. And he is better then bledsoe and vasquez. his big time.

Burke does run a very high amount of P&R though compared to the average college point guard, which is a very good thing because that's almost certainly going to be what he does most of the time n the NBA.

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Originally Posted by Pantazis76

i dont even know why this is a question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhtnEvjsf8

Watch that.. he is CP3 Clone in my opinion. And he is better then bledsoe and vasquez. his big time.

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He's not a cp3 clone but he does model some of his game after guys like Paul.

ya burke has come out and said he models his game after cp3 and u can see it on the court.

If I get 1/2 to 3/4 of what CP3 was, I'd be stoked. lol

Bledsoe. We need perimeter defense more than we need scoring. Also Monty Williams has expressed that he wants more veterans rather than keep getting young. I think Bledsoe will speed up the rebuild also because we wont need to wait for another young player to develop.

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Originally Posted by ebouillion

Bledsoe. We need perimeter defense more than we need scoring. Also Monty Williams has expressed that he wants more veterans rather than keep getting young. I think Bledsoe will speed up the rebuild also because we wont need to wait for another young player to develop.

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You don't think Bledsoe still needs to develop?

Bledose needs a couple years to develop.

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Originally Posted by ebouillion

Bledsoe. We need perimeter defense more than we need scoring. Also Monty Williams has expressed that he wants more veterans rather than keep getting young. I think Bledsoe will speed up the rebuild also because we wont need to wait for another young player to develop.

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Has he actually expressed that or has he expressed a reason we've lost is because our best players are inexperienced who have to grow physically?

I mean, Trey Burke and Oladipo have the bodies to contribute RIGHT NOW. And Porter's game is pure veteran like even right now. Would we really balk so we can add James Posey again just so we can have older, veteran players?

Bledsoe has much muscles but lacks a brain.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Has he actually expressed that or has he expressed a reason we've lost is because our best players are inexperienced who have to grow physically?

I mean, Trey Burke and Oladipo have the bodies to contribute RIGHT NOW. And Porter's game is pure veteran like even right now. Would we really balk so we can add James Posey again just so we can have older, veteran players?

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Thank you guys like Posey,Mo Pete, and to a lesser degree Peja are the reason we blew the Paul era in NOLA. Poor drafting and a coach that lacked the patience to develop young talent is what killed us. If we can get top notch proven FA's at market value fine, but considering we haven't shown a history of doing so in the past I see no reason why we'll do so now.

It's best to take the time to bring in talent in the most optimal way for non glamour teams and that's the draft. I'm not saying drafting a championship is easy nor guaranteed. However looking around the league at the two non glam teams with the contending core of the past(the Spurs) and the future(the Thunder) both built those teams through the draft.

It's gonna be a slow process, but you gotta tough it out. Get improvements where you can, but don't mortgage the future just for cheap wins. Work out trades for up and coming players with lots of potential and production still like DeRozan or Cousins without losing potential lottery picks? I'm kinda down. But trading our lotto pick for friggin' Luol Deng or Iguodala? Uh-uh. And I really like both those players too.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

It's gonna be a slow process, but you gotta tough it out. Get improvements where you can, but don't mortgage the future just for cheap wins. Work out trades for up and coming players with lots of potential and production still like DeRozan or Cousins without losing potential lottery picks? I'm kinda down. But trading our lotto pick for friggin' Luol Deng or Iguodala? Uh-uh. And I really like both those players too.

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That's my point. If it was that easy to land reasonable priced big time proven FA's we would have done so. If we are going to build a championship team it will be gambling on young vets that other teams may not want anymore like a Cousins or through the draft.

Regardless of how good Davis will or won't be by the time he's in his prime guys like Deng, Iguodala, or Granger will be well pass theirs. If we draft a Oladipo, Porter, Muhammed, Burke, McElmore etc. plus whoever we acquire in next years draft will all be coming of age at the same time. That's how you build a championship cores for less desirable markets/teams.

Keep an eye on Dennis Schröder from Germany. He'll play at the Nike Hoop Summit tomorrow. Read somewhere that he might declare for the 2013 draft.


Here's an interesting piece on him from DraftXpress:

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"Practicing in front of a growing number of NBA decision-makers on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, the World Select Team seemed to settle into a groove over its middle two sessions in Portland.

Head Coach Roy Rana and Assistant Coach Marin Sedlacek have kept the format of their practices fairly consistent, getting their players acclimated with what they want to see from them on both ends of the floor in the game on Sunday, letting them get plenty of shots up to find a rhythm, and ending every session with extensive competitive action, much to the delight of the legion of NBA scouts in attendance.

Playing four 10 minute quarters on Tuesday night in addition to getting up and down for much of the second hour of practice on Wednesday, the quality of play was once again very high relative to previous years. This was especially clear for stretches of today's action when the chemistry and ball movement of the competitive action was astounding for a group that has only been playing together for a few days.

The catalyst for much of that ball movement was German point guard Dennis Schroeder, who took over stretches of the action on Wednesday with his ability to get into the lane and make the right play. Possessing terrific speed and quickness, Schroeder did an excellent job turning the corner on the pick and roll and exploiting mismatches. Consistently able to freeze his defender with a hesitation move before exploding past him to the rim, Schroeder has been a handful for the other guards in attendance. The constant threat of his dribble drive put considerable pressure on the defense, especially in pick and roll settings, and he capitalized in a variety of ways, be it with a scoop or floater when he was given space in the lane, finding a cutter with a drop pass or creating an easy look for one of his big men with a lob when the defense tried to string him out.

Playing pesky, full-court defense, knocking down a number of jump shots, and looking great in the open floor as well, Schroeder is leaving a lasting impression with his play here in Portland. With Marcus Smart returning to school and a notable void after the top tier of point guard prospects in the 2013 draft at the moment, Schroeder could look to fill that gap with a strong performance in the actual game on Saturday. It will be worth watching a potential matchup with Andrew Harrison, who should present a unique challenge for Schroeder with his size."

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He has my attention.

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Originally Posted by Austin Rivers

Keep an eye on Dennis Schröder from Germany. He'll play at the Nike Hoop Summit tomorrow. Read somewhere that he might declare for the 2013 draft.

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Nice. Went and looked up his video and it's amazing. Shows his strengths/upside and his weaknesses with a written description then shows clips for examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=kqqyaR2AXoM

He's going to need a couple of years to develop. I'm not sure if the staff wants another project in the backcourt at this point. They already have Rivers who needs all the attention he can get. I'll be surprised if they consider another project.

Oh that kid isn't rising to anything near our range with the draft pick we have. I just liked the video breakdown. Wish every prospect's was like that.

First impression I had was Russell Westbrook-lite, but probably only because of his extreme wingspan and the sleeves on his arms.

His shooting % is wacky. If I remember 35 FG% but 50+ 3pt%.

That's down to how 70% of the shots (or just jumpers?) are 3s.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Oh that kid isn't rising to anything near our range with the draft pick we have. I just liked the video breakdown. Wish every prospect's was like that.

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Draft express has most of the top prospect videos and they all made similar to this. This kid could be a tony Parker like steal. But he not in our range.

Burke!

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

You don't think Bledsoe still needs to develop?

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He needs to develop his offensive game more, but his defense is great right now. Our defense is one of the last ranked in the league, so i think that is more of a priority than drafting burke, who yes can become a great scorer, but he is not very good on the defensive end. Thats just my point of view on this discussion.

I say Burke.

I'm just going to put this here and say that Jameer Nelson and Trey Burke were extremely similar college players.

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Except Burke was superior in every statistical category outside of rebounding.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Except Burke was superior in every statistical category outside of rebounding.

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Not true, jameer had a better shooting percentage and averaged more points and steals while playing fewer minutes. Now those are senior stats for Jameer so i would hope he was better than a soph.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Not true, jameer had a better shooting percentage and averaged more points and steals while playing fewer minutes. Now those are senior stats for Jameer so i would hope he was better than a soph.

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You can only compare them as freshmen and sophomores. Going by sophomore stats, Burke is the superior prospect.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

You can only compare them as freshmen and sophomores. Going by sophomore stats, Burke is the superior prospect.

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Why? You can't assume Burke makes the same improvements as jameer so you have to compare them the year they declared. And I wouldnt want to compare him to jameer anyway. That's not worth a top 5 pick. You have to be projecting him to whole lot better than he is now.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Why? You can't assume Burke makes the same improvements as jameer so you have to compare them the year they declared. And I wouldnt want to compare him to jameer anyway. That's not worth a top 5 pick. You have to be projecting him to whole lot better than he is now.

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Burke improved upon every statistical category from year 1 to year 2. There's absolutely zero reason to believe that he wouldn't continue to grow as an upperclassmen.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

Burke improved upon every statistical category from year 1 to year 2. There's absolutely zero reason to believe that he wouldn't continue to grow as an upperclassmen.

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Not arguing that but you can't say there is no way it couldn't happen either.

There's no need to. Burke is already ahead of Nelson as a sophomore. What more do you need to know. He's simply a better prospect. The only reason why he's not well regarded is due to the fact that he was not a highly recruited prospect. Nelson would have never been anywhere close to Burke as a prospect if he declared after his sophomore year. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

There's no need to. Burke is already ahead of Nelson as a sophomore. What more do you need to know. He's simply a better prospect. The only reason why he's not well regarded is due to the fact that he was not a highly recruited prospect. Nelson would have never been anywhere close to Burke as a prospect if he declared after his sophomore year. It's that simple.

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That's why he stayed in school. Burke could stay in school , tank, and be a second rounder. This is not unprecedented which is why guys usually strike while the iron is hot and makes decisions like the one made by Smart very rare. I mean he almost guaranteed top 5 this year, I really hope this works out for him. I wouldn't have done it.

You're reaching big time. Burke has already shown progression. The only way he would so called "tank" is via injury. You act like Burke is a freshman with no prior tape to scout. Your logic is extremely silly.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

His shooting % is wacky. If I remember 35 FG% but 50+ 3pt%.

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It said it was stats through just 5 games, and that he was 2 of 9 on floaters at that point. Interesting looking prospect, though, and I would mind Benson buying a 2nd rounder and letting him play another year or two in Germany. His defense was really impressive.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

You're reaching big time. Burke has already shown progression. The only way he would so called "tank" is via injury. You act like Burke is a freshman with no prior tape to scout. Your logic is extremely silly.

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Who reaching? I'm just saying cause he improved from freshman to sophomore doesn't automatically mean he continues to improve. Never heard the statement taking a step back? But anyway all this started because like I said the year they left school Jameer had better numbers and you stated that Burke would have made the same progression. That is the definition of a reach cause it can not be proven. I won't dispute the better prospect part because I don't really know about jameer but I do know his draft class was much deeper than this one so if Burke is taken higher that doesn't mean a lot either.

You fail to comprehend and you continue to reach. Your points rely heavily on hypotheticals and apples to oranges comparisons. I never said Burke would make the same progressions. I said something along the lines of based on his progressions, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't continue grow. Huge difference from what you're assuming I said.

My points were clear and concise.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

You fail to comprehend and you continue to reach. Your points rely heavily on hypotheticals and apples to oranges comparisons. I never said Burke would make the same progressions. I said something along the lines of based on his progressions, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't continue grow. Huge difference from what you're assuming I said.

My points were clear and concise.

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I had the same problem with him in another thread :rolleyes:

For the record, I agree with your view that it is totally logical to expect Burke to continue to grow. I don't even know how you could see it any other way... And that goes for most promising young players. You expect them to grow.

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Originally Posted by GESWhoseBack

Why? You can't assume Burke makes the same improvements as jameer so you have to compare them the year they declared. And I wouldnt want to compare him to jameer anyway. That's not worth a top 5 pick. You have to be projecting him to whole lot better than he is now.

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This is ridiculously silly that you are trying to argue a senior's stats vs a sophmore's. Of course you can and should assume that they are going to make improvements as they become grown men.