Just because they like someone. Doesn't mean a better prospect won't fall to them or get snatched. Calm down.
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Just because they like someone. Doesn't mean a better prospect won't fall to them or get snatched. Calm down.
I?ll trust your judgement on this one. I just think there?s something to be said for Kentucky and Villanova players. They play within a system in college, and are usually better in the pros.
But,again, my draft research is based on what I?ve read. I haven?t watched much of Bey, so I?ll trust your judgement. Maxey is my guy at 13
There is something to be said about them, and you do have to kind of learn what certain colleges show, but I think that Kentucky and Villanova actually have kind of opposite effects in college.
Kentucky players are often restricted by the system, and put in really sub-optimal positions. We see this time and again: Maxey being forced into an almost entirely off-ball role this year next to Hagans, or KAT not being allowed to shoot threes, or Bam not being given major ball-handler opportunities. This is a flaw and a strength for Kentucky, in that it's a system, sure, but it's also got a tendency to really minimise players outlier skills. That's why I've said before that if a player is good at Kentucky but not great, I like looking at their pre-college sample to see what might be being suppressed. Maxey is actually a great example of that, because while he was never an incredible passer, he showed much more skill in it pre-college, and his shot development was nicer pre-Kentucky too.
Villanova, on the other hand, tends to kind of maximise roleplayers in a way that shields a lot of their flaws, rather than suppressing their strengths. Of course there's something to be said about the maturity and the attitude that comes with accepting that team position, but it also makes guys often look a bit better than they are: FSU can be the same sometimes. What you have to look for is less the system, and more the fluid, reactive elements of the player's game in order to try and separate out what they are versus what the system provides. Bey is someone who I think was quite good at college, but whose individual skills - his handle, his fluidity of motion, his anticipation, his hip mobility, his footspeed, etc - will have trouble translating at a high level in the NBA. Like I say, that doesn't mean he won't be 'a guy', he will probably have a career, but it's not enough to make me take him that highly.
Maxey at 13? I like it. Bey? No bueno.
I agree.
I'm giving my opinions. They're opinions that are based on a lot of film watching, stat tracking, reading, etc, but they're just my takes at the end of the day. If you have some conviction that Bey is super hot stuff, then that's your take. I disagree and it's something we can discuss but at the end of the day you're allowed to disagree.
If you change your mind it should be because you've been convinced, not just because of wholesale acceptance.
People keep saying Halliburton but I don’t think he’s the target, Lonzo will fit SVGs system very well, if we trade up I think it’s for Pat Williams or Vassel
This is extremely inaccurate.
Edit: just to clarify: Haliburton is a better shooter than Jrue has been for years, but Jrue is a far *Far* superior ballhandler, with a much more usable handle, and a light-years better off-the-dribble creator and finisher at the rim. Also, while Haliburton does project as a decent defender, he has severe strength and balance issues that mean he'll probably never be even close to the 1-4 defender Jrue was when it comes to versatility.
Player comps are never perfect, but whoever is saying Haliburton is like Jrue needs their eyes checking.
Was told this morning that even though Jrue was traded, “he is still very committed to the work he has started in New Orleans and in other cities.”
— Andrew Lopez (@_Andrew_Lopez) November 17, 2020
He's definitely the type of role model you want your kids to see. I will always root for him.
Per 36:
Jrue Holiday:
19.8 PPG
6.9 APG
5.0 RPG
3.1 TO’s
45% FG
35% 3FG
70% FT
Eric Bledsoe:
19.9 PPG
7.2 APG
6.2 RPG
3.2 TO’s
47% FG
34% 3FG
79% FT
5 picks for a lateral move because one really sucks in the playoffs.
That’s a win.
Meh. I agree that it is an overpay by Milwaukee for sure, but you have to take into account
A. The clownshoes organization that Jrue played for as opposed to Bledsoe
B. They would still be locked into an unfavorable deal with Bledsoe having multiple years left and Jrue expiring at least gives them flexibility if things go tits up. Likelihood is Jrue extends if Giannis extends as well.
Same clownshoes organization that paired him with AD? Same one that was extremely respectful when he had personal issues going on? Same one that put him in his best position by going after Rondo and Lonzo so he could play OFF ball with less pressure? And lastly, same one that was paying him $20 mil and gave him a chance to lead this franchise?
Those clowns?
ahem...paying him $25mil. New Orleans was very good to Jrue Holiday.
Same one that appointed Gentry? Same one that traded for Asik? Same one that gave Solomon Hill a sizable contract based on nothing more than a purple patch in the postseason? Same one that maintained radio silence for the duration of Zion?s injury? Same one that drove AD to request a trade midseason? Yes. That organization
You are mistaking generosity for competence
So i have a spidey tingly sense that we still have sights on Myles Turner. What do you guys think we would have to give to make that happen?
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I'm still going to defend the Asik deal. At the time, it was the era of the big men. You HAD to have one to contend. Asik was not the best, but in the era of the plodding big men, he was aight and had promise. The climate of the NBA changed as the ink was drying. But no one saw that coming.....or The OA's tragic injury string the came after.
People who use the Asik deal as a bad example are only worse than the ones who use the Boogie trade as one. That deal was absolutely paying off before that pop happened. Yeah. I don't like the revisionist stuff.
Interestingly, this franchise has weathered some awful adversity. We looked hopeless when CP3 left.....we lucked out with AD.....we were looking hopeless and everyone was doom and gloom.....then we pulled off the Boogie trade.....AD pulled his smack and it was doom and gloom......and now here we sit with BI and Zion and the largest hoarde of assets in the league. Yep. Some luck was involved. But for a small market team that was nearly moved several times.......some of y'all need to respect the brass a bit more. It shows grit to keep building this back up after some huge knockout blows.
Nah resigning Asik to put next to "I dont wanna be a 5", where AT THAT TIME people were 50/50 on at best, was just being generous. No strategy involved whatsoever.
Making the move to get a prime Demarcus nobody saw coming, was just being generous.
Hiring Gentry before the obvious wave of fast paced small ball, to replace a coach that had gotten boo'd at his own arena was just being generous.
Trading for Holiday on draft night, in what was a very weak draft, what just being generous.
Resigning Holiday to a very tradeable contract was just being generous.
And let's be honest, this "franchise" talk is really about Dell Demps. A GM who was wearing that hats of both Griffin and Langdon as his own overseas scout.
I can keep going, but yeah it didn't work out for various reasons, so let's hot take his entire tenure as "clown shoes" as if this franchise was the Knicks, current Hornets, or pre Lebron Lakers. :rolleyes:
Dude, anyone that has the audacity to use revisionist hot take as an insult has to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. Not only are you implying that my opinion is right (thank you btw), you?re implying that you have nothing to argue. Trying to discredit anyone?s opinion that way is frankly arrogant and you may as well run for political office.
The sad thing about you?re arrogance buddy is I think you completely misinterpreted what I meant by clownshoes and now you are trying to save face. No wonder you went straight for sentimentality rather than addressing the poor decisions this club has made when I mentioned clownshoes. Have a nice day.
Mistakes were made... let's move on. The future is bright.
I was a big proponent of the Asik trade at the time. He had a great year with Houston, and was showing major promise. He was a natural center too that could take the pressure off AD.
The big issue I had was after we saw that he was a terrible fit, and re-signing him to that albatross of a contract. WOOF.
He re-signed in July of 2015. That was the summer right after they had just made the playoffs. And the contract was for 5 years and $44mil guaranteed. Which was eventually flipped into Nikola Mirotic and a 2nd playoff run in 2018.
The moaning about that Asik contract didnt begin until 2017 at the earliest. This is what I mean.
Not sure if this was discussed, but are able to swap the Lakers pick with the Bucks in 2024? There's overlap there in terms of our future firsts and pick swaps. Wondering if there's any language that says we either can or can't swap that Lakers 1st
Well, this is juicy .... https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-...000011478.html