He counts against your cap until/unless I match the offer. I agree that's unfair, but there really isn't anything I can do about that.
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You did, but you also know I really don't care how much I'm over the cap. I wouldn't change the Posey contract either. I wanted acquire as much depth as possible no matter how much it costs. So I was able to sign Posey, Joe Smith, Aaron McKie, and trade for Jason Williams before having to resign my draft picks. At least it will keep me successful.
anybody trying to shed lux tax salary and give up points on expirings PM me.
Has there been a decision on whether or not there will be a sim before the match deadline? If there is, I think we should at least discuss the one loophole with that.
Let's talk in hypotheticals here. I know the Hornets are over the cap... but let's say we have a GM who is 9-12mil under the cap.
Offersheet GM: Offer made, no signing -> cap = $16mil
RFA GM: cap = $12mil
Someone signs his player to an offer sheet, and he has 48 hours to match. Before that 48 hours there is a sim in which A) there is no cap hold for the player he could or couldn't match, and B) team with the offer sheet is stuck holding onto that salary.
Offer Sheet GM: Offer sheet signed -> cap = $3mil.
RFA GM: No match yet -> cap = $12mil
Now let's say this GM takes advantage of that scenario. He knows he's going to match regardless, but by holding out the full 48 hrs, he will be able to offer a near max $12mil deal out to another player (who could sign), and then match the offer to sign the RFA to a deal putting him over the cap.
Offer Sheet GM: Offer Sheet matched -> cap = $16mil (no players)
RFA GM: Matches offer after inbetween sim -> cap = $-13mil (2 players, able to sign over cap)
Offer Sheet GM: loses out on 2 players (no opportunity to sign the one the RFA GM signed because of the cap hold for the offer sheet), team is now extremely crippled after missing out on what could've been the only players worth a damn at that point in the Free Agency.
RFA GM: Gets away with signing 2 players (as compared to 1 if the RFA would have offered to resign and been accepted OR if the RFA offered to resign and is declined, thus RFA GM loses bird rights and ability to go over the cap to resign).
Just saying that this hypothetical situation could arise in a few seasons with teams who may still be in the situation where they have cap space like they do now and have players coming off the books in 2 seasons (im thinking of CP3 here).
This is the major flaw and disadvantage to even offering a player that is an RFA... all the power in the RFA gm and no real pros to being the Offer Sheet GM
Didn't know if people thought this out.
It will get old trust me. At least the players will be young but in reality there should probably be a limited amt of max contract guys in the league once you have a player on your team that has a max contract but doesn't necessarily deserve it it sucks. If the team doesn't mesh well together it really sucks
RFAs going to be a pain to go after.
oh believe me I'll be sure to maximize any loophole I can.
I like Deangelo Collins. Immediately becomes my best inside scorer. Does anyone know if he's used his free training session for his B potential? It probably has since he's been in the league for five years, but I want to make sure.
Can u still put bids in for fa's?
Balls mentioned it has to be matched before the next sim.
I disagree.
Welcome to real life NBA. The team that has the offer sheet out should and does have it count against the cap. Phoenix did when they tried to get Gordon. The major difference is the NBA's moratorium period where no one can sign til date x.
So the matching team does have the ability to sign a player under cap room then match the other team's offer sheet 3 days later.
I think I'm going to keep it at a 48 hour deadline to match or decline. No promises a sim will happen before or after that.
I thought about that but the problem is in the game the matching team wouldn't have a cap hold which allows the matching team to manipulate the system and sign more than they would in the real nba. If we agreed the matching team would not have that open space either then it makes sense, but sense it doesn't I can't think of a way around that.
Someone has to take the cap hit while its in limbo, makes sense to me that it's the person taking the risk.
It should be both teams.
I'm cool with whatever, but if that's the case and we have a sim within the 48 hrs then it should be that way every time we have a match. Maintain precedent
24 hour wait for the team to match or not? Next 24 hours prepared for next sim.
My thing is the matching team has no need to answer sooner rather than later. They have the right to drag it out as long as they can.
We'll just make this simple. Next sim will be at 8:00PM Saturday night. Deal must be matched or declined by that time.
They do, but they shouldn't be able to use that cap space anywhere else either.
In other words, this doesn't apply right now to you since you're over the cap, but if the matching team has 12 million open, he should not be able to wait 48 hours, sign an external FA to 12 million contract THEN match; that's the HUGE loophole and it needs to be closed esp since we recognize it now. In the real NBA this can't happen because of the cap hold the team has by not renouncing.
Now if the matching team wants to offer an exception or their remaining cap room outside of what's tied up in the RFA transaction, then that's completely fine.
Sounds good to me
I am lost as to why the next Sim is 8 p.m Saturday. Are we flying in players 1 by 1 to visit our facilities, workout and negotiate with their agents?
Hey commish, can you update my Position Changes before training camp so I can compare the ratings before and after? Thanks.
When does training camp begin?
After FA, and it just happens, the time between TC and 1st season sim is when u can train
I've been cap free for a few seasons now and I was trying to acquire as much depth as possible before having to extend my draft picks. I don't know if I have a championship contender, but I do have a team that has won 50+ games the last 3 seasons and the last two divisional titles. I've addressed holes at PG this offseason and post defense and perimeter defense last offseason. Still, I can't say it will be enough to win a title or even get past the Sonics or Lakers in the West plus other teams like the ****ing Grizzlies, Mavs, Suns, T-Wolves, etc, but I had a 2-3 year window in acquiring as much talent as possible under the cap until the rookie contracts expired so I pulled the trigger on guys like Joe Smith, Posey, Aaron McKie, and Jason Williams to surround Melo, Okafor, Jefferson, Manu, and Livingston.
Yeah, I'm having to limit training to one player per season due to upcoming cap penalties. That's where the tax hurts is not being able to train everyone I want. I do plan on garnering 50 points per season like I have the last two seasons so I still can maintain training a player and being able to use the MLE/LLE, but the tax will hurt me a ton next season. This season I have to decide on training either Melo, Manu, Joe Smith or Posey. Leaning on Melo or Manu since they have bigger roles compared to Smith and Posey.Quote:
BallsoHard: I'm sure if someone flagrently abuses it, we'll come up with more penalties but Pels78 has something like 110 points saved up for it, so i have no issue if he's paying it.
I like that everyone else is normal, and I'm the ****ing Grizzlies :D
Man, waititng until Saturday night is going to be really tough.
I'm not trying to discourage you from doing anything. I'm just saying it's not the points or paying the points that sucks. It's the limiting of you're flexibility. But I think RFA and 4 (or 5) year being the longest a deal can be changes that. People are more willing to take on a contract that only has 2-3 years left versus having 4-5 years left. You can give this a 2 season run which any team deserves and if it doesn't work out then those guys only have a couple years left. I think everyone is making a big deal about RFA but cutting off 2 years as to being the maximum length of a contract is huge change too.