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05-17-2017, 08:35 PM
Tinman

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Originally Posted by Champ

Whoa . I think his father has already made up his mind where he is going.

So,, now you are transferring your veiled soliloquy into arguing amongst YOURSELF . Wow! Lolol
05-17-2017, 08:41 PM
Tinman

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Is it realistic though? Boston is in win-now mode and would probably want as many win-now players as they can to make a run next year, too. And Bradley is a legit starter who played a key role in helping them get to the ECF. Smart can play some SF, too.

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to just keep Bradley and have depth for another championship run next season, and then just risk letting him walk next offseason? Rather than just getting a non-lottery pick back when they'll already have another highly drafted rookie with the '18 Nets pick.

Ainge is going to send the No. 1 overall pick, along w/ any package Utah wants & Boston is getting Hayward.
05-17-2017, 08:52 PM
RUFshreve

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Originally Posted by Buckwheat

Celtics need D.C. to pass the Cavs.
Dell needs to make he trade.
We need Ball they need D.C.

Cousins for Ball would get Dell fired on the spot. We'd go from automatic playoff team to guaranteed lottery team. That is a ridiculous idea.
05-17-2017, 08:52 PM
Mythrol

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Ainge is going to send the No. 1 overall pick, along w/ any package Utah wants & Boston is getting Hayward.

Why does Boston need to do anything? Hayward is a UFA this summer.
05-17-2017, 08:53 PM
Rheem654

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Ainge is going to send the No. 1 overall pick, along w/ any package Utah wants & Boston is getting Hayward.

Boston could just sign Hayward outright with capspace without trading any valuable picks or players.
05-17-2017, 08:53 PM
Rheem654

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Why does Boston need to do anything? Hayward is a UFA this summer.

Exactly, beat me to it.
05-17-2017, 08:59 PM
RUFshreve

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

Boston could just sign Hayward outright with capspace without trading any valuable picks or players.

Exactly. They're not trading anything for Hayward.
05-17-2017, 09:02 PM
Tinman

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Exactly. They're not trading anything for Hayward.

Sign & Trade allows Hayward to receive more pay ! & you DONT bring in a 40 million $$ salary w/out getting rid of salary. C'mon, what do you think S&T is for? It helps both teams involved & sweetens the pot for FA .
05-17-2017, 09:05 PM
Tinman

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Why does Boston need to do anything? Hayward is a UFA this summer.

Uh, Payroll ! Thus, the S&T was invented .
05-17-2017, 09:21 PM
NMThreeMVP

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Sign & Trade allows Hayward to receive more pay ! & you DONT bring in a 40 million $$ salary w/out getting rid of salary. C'mon, what do you think S&T is for? It helps both teams involved & sweetens the pot for FA .

If they did a s/t they would never give up the #1 pick in a S/T. At most they'd give up someone like Rozier.
05-17-2017, 09:30 PM
Tinman

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If they did a s/t they would never give up the #1 pick in a S/T. At most they'd give up someone like Rozier.

For Gordon Hayward? Are you kidding me ? You must have misspoke? Yeah, that's it.
05-17-2017, 09:36 PM
RUFshreve

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Sign & Trade allows Hayward to receive more pay ! & you DONT bring in a 40 million $$ salary w/out getting rid of salary. C'mon, what do you think S&T is for? It helps both teams involved & sweetens the pot for FA .

They're not giving up the #1 pick for a guy they can sign outright without giving up a thing. If Hayward doesn't choose to sign there, which I think he will, they will have plenty of other options.
05-17-2017, 09:49 PM
Tinman

So, what you are saying is Boston is going to sign Hayward to 35 millionish, keep their no. 1, & keep all of their IMPORTANT pieces, with Zero Cap ramifications. Thomas & Bradley are UFA's in 18. And Boston will have to either pay both of them big bucks are they walk. IT is playing for peanuts, as is Bradley right now. & Olynyk QO & Brown TO in 2018. If Boston wants Hayward & IT is there guy, they will definitely give their 1 in a S&T. Short term blinders are not good to have on. They can't pay everybody, so take care of future now. That's what S&T are
05-17-2017, 10:01 PM
Tinman

You realize that a S&T would assist the Celtics, right. It alleviates Cap situation for 2018 & beyond. Hey, if they sign Heyward straight up, that's cool, but if it's not there No. 1, it will be 2 other major contributors whom they will NOT be able to pay in 2018.
05-17-2017, 10:04 PM
MistaWhoDat

Draft lottery question

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Originally Posted by RUFshreve

Cousins for Ball would get Dell fired on the spot. We'd go from automatic playoff team to guaranteed lottery team. That is a ridiculous idea.

Your correct it's ridiculous who would trade a superstar for an unknown straight up and at this time we don't know what Ball would be probably never be as good as D.C.

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05-17-2017, 10:11 PM
RUFshreve

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Originally Posted by Tinman

So, what you are saying is Boston is going to sign Hayward to 35 millionish, keep their no. 1, & keep all of their IMPORTANT pieces, with Zero Cap ramifications. Thomas & Bradley are UFA's in 18. And Boston will have to either pay both of them big bucks are they walk. IT is playing for peanuts, as is Bradley right now. & Olynyk QO & Brown TO in 2018. If Boston wants Hayward & IT is there guy, they will definitely give their 1 in a S&T. Short term blinders are not good to have on. They can't pay everybody, so take care of future now. That's what S&T are

No, if you took the time to read my other posts in this thread you would clearly see that I said that I expect the Celtics to trade either Bradley or Thomas, probably Bradley, for assets this off-season instead of letting him walk for nothing next off-season. But they would be fools to trade the number one pick for a player they could just sign outright.
05-17-2017, 10:11 PM
RUFshreve

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

Your correct it's ridiculous who would trade a superstar for an unknown straight up and at this time we don't know what Ball would be probably never be as good as D.C.

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No one with a brain.
05-17-2017, 10:31 PM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Sign & Trade allows Hayward to receive more pay ! & you DONT bring in a 40 million $$ salary w/out getting rid of salary. C'mon, what do you think S&T is for? It helps both teams involved & sweetens the pot for FA .

Not anymore. The extra money is only available if the player re-signs with his team.
05-17-2017, 10:33 PM
luckyman

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I think if Boston gets Fultz, they should sell high on Isiah Thomas. He'll be a 29 year old free agent after next year looking for $30m per foot. He's only 5'9", but that still a lot of money for someone who can't defend or ride Space Mountain.

That's selling high alright. Meth head high. IT had a damn near mvp year and got them to where they are. Which is the EC finals. You don't trade that for an unknown rookie.
05-17-2017, 11:28 PM
UNO Gracias

Sam Hinkie won the lottery. Think about what he assembled ( I know he was fired, but his mark was left on the 76ers this season), Embiid, Simmons, Josh Jackson (or Tatum), Saric, Okafor, Covington...that is a young team, that if given direction could really fly.
05-17-2017, 11:29 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by luckyman

That's selling high alright. Meth head high. IT had a damn near mvp year and got them to where they are. Which is the EC finals. You don't trade that for an unknown rookie.

Yeah, thats how you end up looking like the Kings or the Suns.
05-17-2017, 11:35 PM
UNO Gracias

You know why Hayward isn't going to Boston? He can make more money in Utah. Lebron is still playing in the East, so nobody but the Cavs will be making the Finals for the next forever. Utah has a better roster than Boston. The Jazz are on a better trajectory than most any other team in the NBA
05-18-2017, 01:31 AM
PelsFan2313

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

You know why Hayward isn't going to Boston? He can make more money in Utah. Lebron is still playing in the East, so nobody but the Cavs will be making the Finals for the next forever. Utah has a better roster than Boston. The Jazz are on a better trajectory than most any other team in the NBA

And the Warriors are in the West. Competitive balance is screwed in both conferences, not just the East.
05-18-2017, 06:54 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

And the Warriors are in the West. Competitive balance is screwed in both conferences, not just the East.

Yeah unless the league is coming up with a 3rd conference the league has two monsters on both sides. Right now LeBron is closer to leaving his prime than Durant and Curry are.
05-18-2017, 06:55 AM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Sam Hinkie won the lottery. Think about what he assembled ( I know he was fired, but his mark was left on the 76ers this season), Embiid, Simmons, Josh Jackson (or Tatum), Saric, Okafor, Covington...that is a young team, that if given direction could really fly.

Safe to say you'd prefer Hinkie to Dempsey? I mean, Dimple. I mean, Durwood.

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