SICK OF WATCHING RIVERS

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

Yes I agree with exactly what you said on Rivers but with his youth and the inprovement he has made leaves me with no doubt he will become a starting caliber guard on a championship team. If not starting then one of the more deadly players off the bench in the league. Look at guys like Danny Green and what he has done. Patty Mills and just about everyone on the Spurs including Belinelli. Players can improve and a lot as Leonard into a semi superstar talent. Am I saying Rivers is the next Leonard or Paul George? No but he has potential just as they did to make huge leaps like he has already. Our lineup with Evans at SF with 3 capable guys handling the ball at an elite level will give teams problems just like they give us. Evans is as tall and long as Leonard and Iguodala who both play the 3 at an elite defensive level. I think Evans under Monty can turn into a very good if not great defender by buying in and hard work. He has the heigh and length. You can't use 1 player in Durant on why he can't do it because beating them involves a team playing D together.

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I want a larger sample size before I crown Rivers. He has shown improvement, yes, but he still is shooting 50% at the line and still has a ways to go in development.

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Originally Posted by N.O.Bronco

I want a larger sample size before I crown Rivers. He has shown improvement, yes, but he still is shooting 50% at the line and still has a ways to go in development.

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I hear u. But rivers definitely looks much better.


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I think both sides go too far with Rivers.

After a bad game, he is the worst player ever.

After a good game, "the sky is the limit."

Neither is true IMO. What is undeniable, however, is that he is an NBA caliber player. Whether he is a 7th guy on a good team or a 9th or 10th guy, the fact is that he is good enough to be a rotation player right now in the NBA and that deserves respect. Now, he can get better than that, but the sky is not the limit. Maybe an office building is the limit, or a mini sky scraper. But not the sky. There is clearly a limit for this guy - be it fringe starter like Avery Bradley or a little less like Jerryd Bayless. But either way, he is a legit NBA player.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

*cums*

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Hmmm

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Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25

I got that information from the same place you got that Rivers was just going to leave. If we have a very good season Monty and Dell are going nowhere. we didn't draft Rivers with the 10th pick to just say bye when his contract comes up. They perfectly knew he needed to be developed and maybe more than what they expected but he is doing everything they could possibly ask of him.

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From that TP article where Rivers said its a business, and he was going to make them regret not extending him? I guess different readers get different messages from the same piece, like The Jungle, Alice in Wonderland, or Mein Kampf.

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

Hmmm

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

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Originally Posted by SaintPelican225

16 points 9 assist 0 turnovers.....Damn what else you want

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Less ill advised shots.

If those 16 points come on 50 shots...

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

Less ill advised shots.

If those 16 points come on 50 shots...

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But they came on 11 shots....

Rivers had a good game for us. I'd like to see him play more with the starters than Gordon but whatever do your thing Monty. If he can provide what he did last night game after game we couldn't ask for much more out of our 7th man.

Rivers has been playing really well so far this season.

Rivers works hard and has improved every season, why would u not pick up his option, especially with a rumored increase salary cap? doh!

even though we declined his option is it still possible to give him a contract extension?

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

even though we declined his option is it still possible to give him a contract extension?

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I'll let you re read your question and see if the answer isn't also in the question. . .

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Rivers works hard and has improved every season, why would u not pick up his option, especially with a rumored increase salary cap? doh!

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Because his level of play over his first 1 seasons didn't warrant his 3-4mil salary he would have got next year.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

even though we declined his option is it still possible to give him a contract extension?

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Absolutely.

The only restriction is that the dollar amount of the 1st year of that extension cannot be higher than the dollar amount of the year we declined.

We opted out so we wouldn't have to keep paying him like a lottery pick.

I think we'll lock him up for a few years at a much cheaper price, with a team option. (good contract for unproven talent)

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Absolutely.

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We cannot give him a contract extension because at the end of this season we will have no contract with him. He will be an UFA this offseason.

We can negotiate with him and offer him a new contract but we cannot go higher than what his QO amount was, so other teams could theoretically offer him more. We can offer him the same amount of years as other teams however.

Basically if Rivers has a good year we can easily be outbid on him. If he has an average year we should be able to bring him back. If he has an awful year he is off our books.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

We cannot give him a contract extension because at the end of this season we will have no contract with him. He will be an UFA this offseason.

We can negotiate with him and offer him a new contract but we cannot go higher than what his QO amount was, so other teams could theoretically offer him more. We can offer him the same amount of years as other teams however.

Basically if Rivers has a good year we can easily be outbid on him. If he has an average year we should be able to bring him back. If he has an awful year he is off our books.

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Guru didn't say at the end of the year. He just asked if we could give him a contract extension. The answer as I explained it yes, and by extension you know he means just a contract.

http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/...cale-contract/

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Let’s use Thomas Robinson as an example. Portland had a team option for the 2015-16 season that would have paid T-Rob about $4.66 million. Declining it means that Robinson will be an Unrestricted Free Agent this summer free to sign with anyone he likes without matching or compensation. While he can sign with any of the other 29 teams for whatever amount he likes from his minimum to his maximum, Robinson cannot come to any agreement with Portland that would have his first-year salary higher than that approximately $4.66 million amount.

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So as long as the 1st year of the hypothetical contract dollar amount is less than the year we declined we could offer him a deal. But I have a feeling we will let him play out his contract and test free agency.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

Guru didn't say at the end of the year. He just asked if we could give him a contract extension. The answer as I explained it yes, and by extension you know he means just a contract.

http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/...cale-contract/



So as long as the 1st year of the hypothetical contract dollar amount is less than the year we declined we could offer him a deal. But I have a feeling we will let him play out his contract and test free agency.

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I honestly don't know what Guru meant, he says lots of things that are wrong, so I took his question at face value and answered it.

It's not going to happen before year's end. There is absolutely ZERO incentive for Rivers to sign any type of extension. I laid out exactly what will happen.

We will have to negotiate a new contract with him. If he plays good, we get out bid, average we will be able to bring him back, bad he is off the books.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I honestly don't know what Guru meant, he says lots of things that are wrong, so I took his question at face value and answered it.

It's not going to happen before year's end. There is absolutely ZERO incentive for Rivers to sign any type of extension. I laid out exactly what will happen.

We will have to negotiate a new contract with him. If he plays good, we get out bid, average we will be able to bring him back, bad he is off the books.

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I don't think anything will happen before the end of the year, so I agree with you there. But you know that he was just asking if there was a way we could keep him on the team even though we declined his option. That's all he meant, not going to give him a hard time because the wording may not have been 1000% correct.

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Austin Rivers and Sam Cassell. 7 years apart, tied together forever.

Wait so if rivers plays out of his mind and is offered 4 year 40 million. We couldn't offer him more even with bird rights?