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06-06-2013, 10:07 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by NSFW

Burke's combine numbers were pretty much the same as Vasquez. Do we really want another point guard that can't guard opposing guards?

Have you seen Blake Griffin vert numbers?

Miles Plumlee killed the combine before Zellers.

Burke killed Derrick Rose in agility test. So is Vasquez on par with Rose?
06-06-2013, 10:09 AM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by All Metro

So lets draft Saric, and wait 9 years for him to hit his prime.

:hihi:

Yeah im sure Dallas is regretting all those seasons with Dirk hitting above 20 ppg 9 rebounds before he hit his prime in 05. Who wants to wait for that?
06-06-2013, 10:11 AM
jsl05

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...t-dario-saric/

Please read this. It clears up so much. I know that practically none of us have watched a game of his, so we're scared. That's normal. I have no doubt in my mind we are taking him. Monty's and Dell's comments have all come together. Don't be upset when we take Saric.
06-06-2013, 10:14 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Absolutely flawed. No argument there. My simple point is a lot of people get carried away. Paul wasn't 'Paul' at this point either...I mean Marvin Williams and Bogut went before him and really almost Felton. Just saying at this point I believe he is as good a prospect as Paul was and I feel because he isn't 'Paul' right now some lose sight of that, but I see what you are saying.

The other thing that drives me nuts is when people really say he can't be much better that GV. To me that's insane. GV is a lot of empty numbers, Burke is a winner ala CP. I really like the kid, but all these guys are flawed.

Edit, misunderstood orginal post; apology.
06-06-2013, 10:14 AM
NSFW

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

Absolutely flawed. No argument there. My simple point is a lot of people get carried away. Paul wasn't 'Paul' at this point either...I mean Marvin Williams and Bogut went before him and really almost Felton. Just saying at this point I believe he is as good a prospect as Paul was and I feel because he isn't 'Paul' right now some lose sight of that, but I see what you are saying.

The other thing that drives me nuts is when people really say he can't be much better that GV. To me that's insane. GV is a lot of empty numbers, Burke is a winner ala CP. I really like the kid, but all these guys are flawed.

The huge difference between Chris Paul and Trey Burke is their speed. It's clear Trey Burke is not fast or quick for a PG prospect. It doesn't matter if he has a killer instinct or can knock down shots if he can't guard any other top guards. The main knock against GV isn't his offense, it's his defense. GV doesn't have the speed or lateral quickness to guard other guards. If GV had speed and lateral quickness then we wouldn't be talking about getting another PG because he's way above average on the offensive side of the ball.

Listen to Dell and Monty about how much defense matters.
06-06-2013, 10:17 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Saying two guys are comparable in skill and play style isn't saying one is as good as the other. However a lot of people are trying to make the case that this skill level and style won't pan out in the league when the best player at the position plays it the same way.

Like I've said before the spacing in college is different because there's no 3 sec rule and most college bigs can't shoot. So beating your man rarely leads to open lane to the basket. I don't think anybody is calling Burke a clone of Paul(although IMO he's the closest I've seen since) or that he has Wall, Rose, Westbrook, Lawson type quickness, but with his combo of his physical ability(which seem to be vastly underrated), skill, and IQ he has the potential to be special.

I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.
06-06-2013, 10:17 AM
saintsinNO

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I've seen you argue with 42 and have never seen you concede any point ever. So i'm going to end this with an agree to disagree because if you think what i said was "aboslutely flawed" then i'm not sure we can get to a back to a point where we can agree to anything. Paul had flaws (and still does) and people forget this. So does Burke.

The part where I said "absolutely flawed," as you indicated, and also said "no argument there" would be conceding a point. You're arguing with yourself, I was agreeing with you.
06-06-2013, 10:18 AM
saintsinNO

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Originally Posted by NSFW

The huge difference between Chris Paul and Trey Burke is their speed. It's clear Trey Burke is not fast or quick for a PG prospect. It doesn't matter if he has a killer instinct or can knock down shots if he can't guard any other top guards. The main knock against GV isn't his offense, it's his defense. GV doesn't have the speed or lateral quickness to guard other guards. If GV had speed and lateral quickness then we wouldn't be talking about getting another PG because he's way above average on the offensive side of the ball.

Listen to Dell and Monty about how much defense matters.

...this is exactly my point. From what?!
06-06-2013, 10:19 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by saintsinNO

The part where I said "absolutely flawed," as you indicated, and also said "no argument there" would be conceding a point. You're arguing with yourself, I was agreeing with you.

I must have misunderstood. You have my apology I'll go back and edit.
06-06-2013, 10:19 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by NSFW

The huge difference between Chris Paul and Trey Burke is their speed. It's clear Trey Burke is not fast or quick for a PG prospect. It doesn't matter if he has a killer instinct or can knock down shots if he can't guard any other top guards. The main knock against GV isn't his offense, it's his defense. GV doesn't have the speed or lateral quickness to guard other guards. If GV had speed and lateral quickness then we wouldn't be talking about getting another PG because he's way above average on the offensive side of the ball.

Listen to Dell and Monty about how much defense matters.

I've always said that Burke was faster than Paul. Lateral I agree Paul has a slight edge but straight line speed I think Trey is faster. This is assuming he can't guard anybody when he held Michael Carter-Williams, Peyton Siva, and Russ Smith all very fast and quick guards. The defense thing is over blown. It's based more on effort and technique. You would rather have him do it on every position a la Oladipo or Craft, but neither of those guys had to carry the offensive load like Burke. Few players did in one of if not the top conference.
06-06-2013, 10:21 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think we're saying pretty much the same thing.

Yeah I'm coming to that understanding as well.:hihi:
06-06-2013, 10:22 AM
saintsinNO

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I must have misunderstood. You have my apology I'll go back and edit.

No need or worries. I see what you are saying and I mostly agree with you, as well.
06-06-2013, 10:22 AM
jsl05

There is nearly no chance we take Burke. No point to argue about him.

Dell and Monty don't hate him because of his defense like I thought; we're bringing him in for a workout. It's just that Saric is #1 on their big board and he will be available.
06-06-2013, 10:22 AM
BallSoHard

I think you and Dathrone see a little higher upside than I do but the general evaluation of his college skills are the same.
06-06-2013, 10:23 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by jsl05

There is nearly no chance we take Burke. No point to argue about him.

What proof do you have?
06-06-2013, 10:25 AM
saintsinNO

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I think you and Dathrone see a little higher upside than I do but the general evaluation of his college skills are the same.

Agreed. Either way, I personally would very much like Burke on our team with #6. Really I am warming up to just about any of the top guys except MCW, but I would pass on Saric at #6 as well.
06-06-2013, 10:25 AM
jsl05

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

What proof do you have?

The fact that we are in love with Saric. Go back and listen to Monty and Dell and Chad Ford. Everything makes sense now.
06-06-2013, 10:26 AM
da ThRONe

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Originally Posted by jsl05

There is nearly no chance we take Burke. No point to argue about him.

Dell and Monty don't hate him because of his defense like I thought; we're bringing him in for a workout. It's just that Saric is #1 on their big board and he will be available.

Where did you get this from?
06-06-2013, 10:28 AM
jsl05

For this of you that don't like Saric despite the fact that you know barely anything about him, this is a must read. It's not a piece that is meant to sway your opinion of him; it's an in-depth FAQ.

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...t-dario-saric/
06-06-2013, 10:30 AM
BallSoHard

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Originally Posted by jsl05

The fact that we are in love with Saric. Go back and listen to Monty and Dell and Chad Ford. Everything makes sense now.

And you don't believe they could just be evaluating talent that may fall to them ? To say there's no chance is not very good wording. If they have 5 guys they're interested in you better believe they're going to get a close look at all 5.
06-06-2013, 10:30 AM
jsl05

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Where did you get this from?

I had started gathering after reading Chad Ford's, Chris Miles's, and McNamara's tweets. It just makes total sense based on what I've heard Dell and Monty say. Please read the link.
06-06-2013, 10:31 AM
jsl05

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

And you don't believe they could just be evaluating talent that may fall to them ? To say there's no chance is not very good wording. If they have 5 guys they're interested in you better believe they're going to get a close look at all 5.

They are, but I don't think Burke is in their top 5.
06-06-2013, 10:36 AM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by jsl05

For this of you that don't like Saric despite the fact that you know barely anything about him, this is a must read. It's not a piece that is meant to sway your opinion of him; it's an in-depth FAQ.

http://www.bourbonstreetshots.com/20...t-dario-saric/

I wouldnt say he is a sure thing yet (great article btw). I think they would like to have both, but they will have to decide between the two come draft time. Ive been more skeptical of Burke than most, but i see him and Saric as 1a 1b.
06-06-2013, 10:39 AM
jsl05

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I wouldnt say he is a sure thing yet (great article btw). I think they would like to have both, but they will have to decide between the two come draft time. Ive been more skeptical of Burke than most, but i see him and Saric as 1a 1b.

Ok. I'll take that. I'm going too far with the "no way they take Burke."
06-06-2013, 10:44 AM
PELICANSFAN

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Originally Posted by jsl05

There is nearly no chance we take Burke. No point to argue about him.

Dell and Monty don't hate him because of his defense like I thought; we're bringing him in for a workout. It's just that Saric is #1 on their big board and he will be available.

And you know all of this how?

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