Hornets listening to offers for Eric Gordon {merged}

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Originally Posted by LAedwardo87

That's seems like an ideal situation. But what would we have to give up to make that happen? Would x and our first suffice ya think?

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If it took anymore than that I wouldn't really be interested. I would offer X, 1st and maybe Roberts or something since they don't really have a backup point. If they pass, then I walk.

Protected first?

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

If it took anymore than that I wouldn't really be interested. I would offer X, 1st and maybe Roberts or something since they don't really have a backup point. If they pass, then I walk.

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Sign me up. I'd like to see how Turners passing ability would work with our bigs.

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

Protected first?

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That's what I'm wondering because I'm not trading an unprotected first for Evan Turner. No way.

I'd be totally against sending a first round pick for Evan Turner, protected or not. Because of where he was drafted, his salary jumps to $6.7 m next year, then 8.7 million qualifying offer in 2014. I don't think it makes sense to give up a long-term asset to have to overpay or a guy. If Turner were a RFA, I coud live with salary in 2013-14, but woudn't be thrilled about it. Salary in 2014-15 would b overpaying if he takes QO, and I don't see a team offering him more in RFA.

tl;dr No 1st round pick to rent Evan Turner for too much $

I've been reading the threads about upgrading the sf spot but all the names being thrown out there are only marginally better than what we have. So will we be trading/spending for the sake of doing it or are we really getting better? IMO guys like Turner and Brewer (another popular name around here) are not really upgrades. You may get more scoring but you get less everything else. For my money, I put Aminu (a 22/23 yo) with a shooting coach and get me a pg that makes his teammates better and that can run the break. If there is a guy thats head and shoulders better than chief is there for us to get, we should definitely do it. But why make a change for a guy (Evans) who averages 13 pts and 4 assists when the incumbent averages 8 points and roughly 2 assists. Does 5 points and 2 assists make Turner that much better than Aminu? Turner shoots 39% from 3 Aminu 29%. If that's what the big deal is so be it but 39% isn't exactly a killer threat from 3. Also, Turner plays more minutes than Aminu so that makes the upgrade even more marginal IMO. I just don't understand all the trade talk when on paper the upgrade is minimal at best. We should be making trades or acquisitions that make us better.

To me 39% from behind the arc means "legitimate 3 point threat", so don't leave him open. He could be another shooter for us, he can get to the basket with his ball handling skill and drop some dimes. Things that Aminu struggles at.
I think Turner has a mid-range game which Aminu lacks.
I'm not giving up on Aminu, I think he still can improve his shot ans his ball handling. He seems more efficient drive to the basket and shooting floaters.
I just like Evan Turner's game and what he could bring to our team. What motivates me the most is that he is in rookie contract, he's young, he can improve his game and he is available. I want this guy on this team but for the right price. Not a fan of giving up our 1st round 2013 draft pick...

The best fit at Small Forward for this team is going to be a UFA this offseason.

Dorell Wright

Was basically brought up by Pat Riley on the Heat so he has real nice defensive fundamentals. He can absolutely shoot the lights out of the arena and has some real nice athleticism. I think he's the NBA's best kept secret. Still young but always finds himself in a log jam or the wrong system.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

The best fit at Small Forward for this team is going to be a UFA this offseason.

Dorell Wright

Was basically brought up by Pat Riley on the Heat so he has real nice defensive fundamentals. He can absolutely shoot the lights out of the arena and has some real nice athleticism. I think he's the NBA's best kept secret. Still young but always finds himself in a log jam or the wrong system.

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He is on my list too !

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

The best fit at Small Forward for this team is going to be a UFA this offseason.

Dorell Wright.

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LOL, Hornets fans have always had a flame for this guy. I think if we go with a rotation at SF and don't really upgrade, he'd be fine. If we improve at other positions and end up above the cap, he's a guy I'd target with a room exception (2.7 m). I'd also consider Aminu with the room exception.

The SF landscape in this league right now is pretty bleak except at the top. Beyond the top 10 or 12 guys, it's just dismal. And unless we draft a SF, I think we really need two.

With guaranteed salaries and likely option (Jason Smith) Hornets will have 40m committed. That means they will have around 18m, however our rookie cap hold will be around 2-3million, leaving us with 15-16 million to play with if we cut Thomas, Miller, and Roberts.
My ideal offseason would be something like:
1. Draft Marcus Smart
2. Sign Pekovic at around 12 million; in doing so, cut unguaranteed salaries of Roberts, Thomas, Miller. If I have to sign Pekovic at 13 million, I'd do that and keep Roberts, Thomas, Miller.
3. With remaining cap space, if I get Pekovic on the cheaper end, I would target a low-tier wing. Guys in this tier would include Ronnie Brewer, Chris Copeland (RFA), the aforementioned Dorell Wright, Aminu. Looking for defense/energy and shooting to a level where they can't be left totally alone. This may not be necessary as I'll also have roughly the same amount with the room exemption, and I'm looking to get better wing help with:
4. I'd attempt to move Robin Lopez for a similarly-priced wing. The guys I'd target would be Evan Turner and Wilson Chandler, and honestly think he's a better asset than either of those guys. I may have to involve a third team who wants center help and is willing to give up a mid-first round pick. I might try to grab a second round pick out of Denver or 76ers if they get the 1st rounder. Denver would probably want to do this to cut long-term salary; not sure if 76ers would want this.
5. If I didn't get my backup wing on step 3, I'd try to get them here with the room exception. If I did, I'd try to get a knockdown shooter at SG, like a Randy Foye.
6. Fill remainder if roster with minimum guys.

An example of how this could look:

Vasquez/Smart/Rivers
Gordon/Rivers/Foye
Chandler/Brewer/min guy
Davis/Anderson
Pekovic/Smith/min guy

I think that team could be a five seed as early as next year, and I love the long-term outlook. Regardless of what we do to upgrade, we need Davis to turn into a star player and one of Smart or River to develop into a really good player to really contend, but that frontcourt would dominate people.

I don't think this will ever happen, but this trade idea at least got my attention.

Hornets trade: Gordon and Lopez

Clippers trade: DeAndre Jordan, Caron Butler and Eric Bledsoe

It's at least a little intruguing to me.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I don't think this will ever happen, but this trade idea at least got my attention.

Hornets trade: Gordon and Lopez

Clippers trade: DeAndre Jordan, Caron Butler and Eric Bledsoe

It's at least a little intruguing to me.

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That would be a very poor trade on the Hornets part. First, you are taking back 20 million dollars in contracts for the year. You don't take back large contracts for old or marginal players. Secondly, Butler is 31 and plays no Defense, then there's Jordan who lacks the IQ to grasp Williams defensive system. Finally, Bledsoe will need a big contract pretty soon and all you're really doing is letting go one of Vasquez or Bledsoe in a year or so. Losing Gordon without adequately replacing him isn't ideal for a team who relies on him so heavily.

That would be a great trade for the Clippers.

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Originally Posted by Nola Hornet

That would be a very poor trade on the Hornets part. First, you are taking back 20 million dollars in contracts for the year. You don't take back large contracts for old or marginal players. Secondly, Butler is 31 and plays no Defense, then there's Jordan who lacks the IQ to grasp Williams defensive system. Finally, Bledsoe will need a big contract pretty soon and all you're really doing is letting go one of Vasquez or Bledsoe in a year or so. Losing Gordon without adequately replacing him isn't ideal for a team who relies on him so heavily.

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I'm not pretending like this is the homerun deal we've all been dreaming of. But Gordon has legit injury concerns, and probable attitude issues. This eliminates all of that. The money comes out even(as does every NBA trade). It's actually less long term money as Butler only has one more season.

Adding Jordan and Bledsoe would immediately upgrade our defense massively. I'm ok keeping both Vasquez and Bledsoe, or picking one as our future and trading the other for a SG. It's a good issue to have.

If we decide we're better off dealing Gordon while we still can, I think we could do worse than this.

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Originally Posted by Spaniard

I'm not pretending like this is the homerun deal we've all been dreaming of. But Gordon has legit injury concerns, and probable attitude issues. This eliminates all of that. The money comes out even(as does every NBA trade). It's actually less long term money as Butler only has one more season.

Adding Jordan and Bledsoe would immediately upgrade our defense massively. I'm ok keeping both Vasquez and Bledsoe, or picking one as our future and trading the other for a SG. It's a good issue to have.

If we decide we're better off dealing Gordon while we still can, I think we could do worse than this.

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You gain some defense but Jordan WILL not be a big contributor if he's sitting on the bench for half the game. Keeping Both Bledsoe and Vasquez isn't realistic as both will be looking to get paid at the same time. Losing Gordon means you'll see more of what you saw early in the year. That's not the direction you want to go. If you get rid of Gordon, you better get a similarly impactful player coming back and none of the guys that was mentioned does that.

I rather keep Gordon with his injuries than deal him for players who has yet to do anything impactful in the league.

Eric Gordon and Robin Lopez for Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan, and Caron Butler?

Hornets end up looking like:

PG: Greivis Vasquez/Rivers
SG: Eric Bledsoe/Rivers/Mason (Bledsoe would guard the best perimeter player whether it's a SG or PG)
SF: Caron Butler/Al-Farouq
PF: Anthony Davis/Ryno/Jason Smith
C: DeAndre Jordan/Smith

Caron is good stop gap SF, and then NO can build around AD, Bledsoe, this years' draft pick, and DeAndre. Blocks for DAYS with AD and DJ.

Clippers end up with:

PG: Chris Paul/Billups
SG: Eric Gordon/Jamal Crawford
SF: Barnes/Hill
PF: Blake Griffin/Odom
C: Robin Lopez/Hollins/Turiaf

Clippers get that perimeter scorer they need across from Paul, and Lopez is a solid replacement in the short term for DJ.

Seems reasonably fair for both sides, although I'm not sure the Clips would want to shake up chemistry that much.

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Originally Posted by LoneyROY7

Eric Gordon and Robin Lopez for Eric Bledsoe, DeAndre Jordan, and Caron Butler?

Hornets end up looking like:

PG: Greivis Vasquez/Rivers
SG: Eric Bledsoe/Rivers/Mason (Bledsoe would guard the best perimeter player whether it's a SG or PG)
SF: Caron Butler/Al-Farouq
PF: Anthony Davis/Ryno/Jason Smith
C: DeAndre Jordan/Smith

Caron is good stop gap SF, and then NO can build around AD, Bledsoe, this years' draft pick, and DeAndre. Blocks for DAYS with AD and DJ.

Clippers end up with:

PG: Chris Paul/Billups
SG: Eric Gordon/Jamal Crawford
SF: Barnes/Hill
PF: Blake Griffin/Odom
C: Robin Lopez/Hollins/Turiaf

Clippers get that perimeter scorer they need across from Paul, and Lopez is a solid replacement in the short term for DJ.

Seems reasonably fair for both sides, although I'm not sure the Clips would want to shake up chemistry that much.

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EJ can veto trades. I can't imagine he would want to go back to the Clips after the way they treated him.

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Originally Posted by hagios

EJ can veto trades. I can't imagine he would want to go back to the Clips after the way they treated him.

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You mean the way he treated NO?

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Originally Posted by rebelman

You mean the way he treated NO?

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No he means the way the clippers treated him. They told him he wouldn't be traded then traded him.

When can Eric Gordon be traded to the Suns? I know he can't since they offered the offer sheet but this offseason?

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Originally Posted by hornets504

When can Eric Gordon be traded to the Suns? I know he can't since they offered the offer sheet but this offseason?

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Never...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a8kappp

Plus Bobcats give us their 1st and Blazers 1st

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Originally Posted by rebelman

You mean the way he treated NO?

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I think the more Gordon talks about what happened this summer, the more apparent it is that he was majorly hurt by the way the Clippers handled the trade. It shaded the way he viewed our management and why he didn't trust Demps et al.

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I can think of better ways to utilize Gordon.....like visiting Disney World for a Vucevic-Redick package maybe...perhaps a trip to the Masters for Smith-Teague?

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Originally Posted by ramsters60

I can think of better ways to utilize Gordon.....like visiting Disney World for a Vucevic-Redick package maybe...perhaps a trip to the Masters for Smith-Teague?

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Smith has about equal value and vucevic redick wouldn't be good for us. Maybe if they threw in their 1st