AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Back to talking scenarios. If you can’t respect or debate without name calling and innuendos I suggest use the ignore feature or don’t post at all.

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I agree with this for all of us.

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Originally Posted by Zombiewoof

I agree with this for all of us.

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Amen let’s roll on my friend!

Or I can break out my better known avatar :)

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Nothing to base it on, but if I am Kyrie, I realize that I don't want to waste a couple of my prime years waiting on a possible coexistence with KD. I don't wait on Ainge to call me; I call him and tell him "trade for AD, I will sign for the max you can give me." Any friction he had with teammates is alleviated by having those players moved and they will still have plenty of pieces left to make a serious run at a title. I am not sure any other scenario is as beneficial to Kyrie financially and professionally as staying in Boston paired with AD.

So...confused.....

Ah yes. The delirious phase of a long and important trade. Things are progressing nicely. Stock up on them 5HTP and B Vitamins, lads. I'm guessing we have another 3 days. I also have no expertise and am just throwing out a guess, so take it how you will.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

So...confused.....

Ah yes. The delirious phase of a long and important trade. Things are progressing nicely. Stock up on them 5HTP and B Vitamins, lads. I'm guessing we have another 3 days. I also have no expertise and am just throwing out a guess, so take it how you will.

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Agreed. I believe we will start to hear rumors of a potential deal with someone by late Friday or Saturday. I don't want this dragging into next week and I certainly don't want it to be a draft day trade. Well, I could accept a different trade on draft day, but I'd like AD's trade done by the weekend.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

So...confused.....

Ah yes. The delirious phase of a long and important trade. Things are progressing nicely. Stock up on them 5HTP and B Vitamins, lads. I'm guessing we have another 3 days. I also have no expertise and am just throwing out a guess, so take it how you will.

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I put my guess either on Saturday, or on Monday. Obviously that skips Sunday, but I doubt they drop anything on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by Zombiewoof

Agreed. I believe we will start to hear rumors of a potential deal with someone by late Friday or Saturday. I don't want this dragging into next week and I certainly don't want it to be a draft day trade. Well, I could accept a different trade on draft day, but I'd like AD's trade done by the weekend.

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I thought Zappa liked long droney things.... :D

The deal happens Friday afternoon is my guess.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

The deal happens Friday afternoon is my guess.

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As good a guess as anyone's, I think.

Totally baseless take just to relieve the tension - the deal has been done but they won't announce it on Jrue's birthday !

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Originally Posted by Rampart

Totally baseless take just to relieve the tension - the deal has been done but they won't announce it on Jrue's birthday !

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It's Jrue's birthday?

Not where you are, anymore. Another hour, here. Lol

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Not where you are, anymore. Another hour, here. Lol

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Happy birthday, Kung-fu Jrue. Sorry I'm late.

I trust the process. And if this needs to go on past the draft and even into the season, I'm on board. It's just taking up a bit much of my time and I find myself drinking a little more than usual. Very exciting though! I don't doubt that this will probably go down as the most exciting non-championship Pelicans time in our lifetime. Zion plus super-epic trade (or mass disappointment trade and everything in-between).

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Originally Posted by donato

I trust the process. And if this needs to go on past the draft and even into the season, I'm on board. It's just taking up a bit much of my time and I find myself drinking a little more than usual. Very exciting though! I don't doubt that this will probably go down as the most exciting non-championship Pelicans time in our lifetime. Zion plus super-epic trade (or mass disappointment trade and everything in-between).

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I don't want this going on into the season. Two reasons:

1) I don't want Zion to come into the league with any complications. Game 1 should be Zion's debut. Nothing should overshadow that. He needs to be up front and centre, day one, not relegated to AD's sideshow.
2) I don't think waiting until the off-season reduces AD's return. But waiting into the season definitely does. If we wait until, say, December to make the trade, AD's return will drop exponentially.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't want this going on into the season. Two reasons:

1) I don't want Zion to come into the league with any complications. Game 1 should be Zion's debut. Nothing should overshadow that. He needs to be up front and centre, day one, not relegated to AD's sideshow.
2) I don't think waiting until the off-season reduces AD's return. But waiting into the season definitely does. If we wait until, say, December to make the trade, AD's return will drop exponentially.

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I don't disagree at all. But if you're sure you are negotiating from a point of strength and the offers aren't acceptable, you have to enforce the alternative.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

I thought Zappa liked long droney things.... :D

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Well, he and the Mothers were Just Another Band from LA. :D "It all came back to me like the hot kiss on the end of a wet fist"

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Cool.

What's your answer?

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I don't think the deal will be as favorable to the Pels as most think. That said, the least I'd be okay-ish with is:

Ingram
4th pick
Another first rounder via Lonzo Ball


I'm realistically hoping for:

Tatum
Memphis 1st rounder
filler


and then push come to shove, I'd take smart, brown, and memphis pick over lakers just cause i want to see AD cry

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't want this going on into the season. Two reasons:

1) I don't want Zion to come into the league with any complications. Game 1 should be Zion's debut. Nothing should overshadow that. He needs to be up front and centre, day one, not relegated to AD's sideshow.
2) I don't think waiting until the off-season reduces AD's return. But waiting into the season definitely does. If we wait until, say, December to make the trade, AD's return will drop exponentially.

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I think there's an argument to be made for the Pels being better off trading AD after free agency. By that point, we'll know what happened with Lakers. If they sign a FA, at least AD knows he can't go to Lakers anymore, which will open door for others to legitimately offer. If the Lakers don't sign a FA, then they're screwed and are faced with a lost season unless they trade for AD.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

I don't think the deal will be as favorable to the Pels as most think. That said, the least I'd be okay-ish with is:

Ingram
4th pick
Another first rounder via Lonzo Ball


I'm realistically hoping for:

Tatum
Memphis 1st rounder
filler


and then push come to shove, I'd take smart, brown, and memphis pick over lakers just cause i want to see AD cry

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I think I am at the point of Brown, Smart, #14 and Memphis pick as well. Although, I’d still fight as hard as hell for Tatum.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

I don't think the deal will be as favorable to the Pels as most think. That said, the least I'd be okay-ish with is:

Ingram
4th pick
Another first rounder via Lonzo Ball


I'm realistically hoping for:

Tatum
Memphis 1st rounder
filler


and then push come to shove, I'd take smart, brown, and memphis pick over lakers just cause i want to see AD cry

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A bit depressing, but I'm starting feel this way too. We'll see. All of this will seem funny in 10 years. Maybe Beal blows out his knee five games in this year and never plays again (trade). Maybe we trade for Tatum and he never makes the jump. And then one of Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram become a perennial all-star (if included). It happens all the time. It won't end up how we think even when it is done. Luck, unexpected and unlikely events...it happens.

If you feel depressed, remember we hit the lottery. We could be in the same boat but instead of drafting at one, we could be drafting at 8 spot

I just want to know if we pick again in the first round so we can discuss the Draft. Don't get me wrong I am floored with Zion but 2nd round is so far off and I'm missing the who should we take with the 3-14th pick conversations.

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Originally Posted by Rampart

I just want to know if we pick again in the first round so we can discuss the Draft. Don't get me wrong I am floored with Zion but 2nd round is so far off and I'm missing the who should we take with the 3-14th pick conversations.

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There's a bunch of intriguing second round prospects this year, imo. So it's still fun.

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Originally Posted by donato

A bit depressing, but I'm starting feel this way too. We'll see. All of this will seem funny in 10 years. Maybe Beal blows out his knee five games in this year and never plays again (trade). Maybe we trade for Tatum and he never makes the jump. And then one of Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram become a perennial all-star (if included). It happens all the time. It won't end up how we think even when it is done. Luck, unexpected and unlikely events...it happens.

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For sure. We could've not won the lottery and then hoped and prayed we could trade AD for Zion.

I would prefer Beal + a decent pick or two


Tatum + a decent pick or two


I do think it's a good thing Griffin is waiting. I think it will end up between what we hope and and what we fear ultimately. But we will see. I think he is taking his time because he knows how important this is. This is a career dealbreaker/maker move. Maybe he has an offer we would all take. But he is going bigger. We will judge when it's done.

can anyone recommend a strong drink for watching Ball and Ingram highlights?

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

can anyone recommend a strong drink for watching Ball and Ingram highlights?

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Gasoline.

Edit: In all seriousness, usually when I'm about to do a long video session for analysis, I don't drink. Don't wanna get too out-of-focus. But if I'm doing a more casual watch, I usually run with either scotch on ice, or Chambord.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Gasoline.

Edit: In all seriousness, usually when I'm about to do a long video session for analysis, I don't drink. Don't wanna get too out-of-focus. But if I'm doing a more casual watch, I usually run with either scotch on ice, or Chambord.

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I don’t think I have every heard of anyone going Scotch……if not Chambord. Its like I really wanna watch Inglorious Basterds……damn its not free on streaming……Guess I will roll with Legally Blonde.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

I don’t think I have every heard of anyone going Scotch……if not Chambord. Its like I really wanna watch Inglorious Basterds……damn its not free on streaming……Guess I will roll with Legally Blonde.

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Hey, what's good is good. Chambord is raspberry flavoured, but it's cognac at heart. Don't worry about it too much.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Hey, what's good is good. Chambord is raspberry flavoured, but it's cognac at heart. Don't worry about it too much.

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33 proof Cognac…… I never understood the fascination with it(Cognac) never had a really good one either so I am sure that plays in to it. I love scotch and bourbon.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

33 proof Cognac…… I never understood the fascination with it(Cognac) never had a really good one either so I am sure that plays in to it. I love scotch and bourbon.

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You see, I've never really understood why anyone would bother with bourbon when there are so many better options in that kind of field as well. Different strokes, I guess.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You see, I've never really understood why anyone would bother with bourbon when there are so many better options in that kind of field as well. Different strokes, I guess.

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A lot of it is price as compared to Scotch, there are some great Bourbons in the price range of a Glenfiddich or Glenlivet 12.

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

A lot of it is price as compared to Scotch, there are some great Bourbons in the price range of a Glenfiddich or Glenlivet 12.

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Maybe I've just not had the required experience in bourbon, cause over here in the UK there aren't that many options available. When it comes to scotch, I usually end up running with Ardbeg, Dalmore, Talisker, or Fettercairn. Admittedly, some of those sit at the pricey end and only come out at Christmas :hihi:

i'm bummed out. do I have to go start watching ingram & lonzo highlight videos now? :sleepy:

Man. We can't even agree what to get drunk on. Lol

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Originally Posted by Kyrios

i'm bummed out. do I have to go start watching ingram & lonzo highlight videos now? :sleepy:

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Can you watch the future? Because all the highlights will start next season. I'm tired. I know that joke was lame. Just caught up on a weeks worth of paperwork this all distracted me from.

The Lakers and the Knicks are playing us for weak because of the trade demand. The Knicks know that we don't want AD in the west that's why their low balling us. The Lakers are low balling us possibly because they believe Davis has told Griffin he only wants to play for the Lakers. That is his ace up his sleeve. I don't for one minute believe that he wants to play for the Knicks. Danny Ainge is simply helping his protege Griffin with leverage. The Celtics are out of it. We will trade him to the Lakers in the end for a fresh start with Zion. Ingram might be out of the league in months due to blood clots. I hope that we can get something for ball.

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Originally Posted by JimmieZ

The Lakers and the Knicks are playing us for weak because of the trade demand. The Knicks know that we don't want AD in the west that's why their low balling us. The Lakers are low balling us possibly because they believe Davis has told Griffin he only wants to play for the Lakers. That is his ace up his sleeve. I don't for one minute believe that he wants to play for the Knicks. Danny Ainge is simply helping his protege Griffin with leverage. The Celtics are out of it. We will trade him to the Lakers in the end for a fresh start with Zion. Ingram might be out of the league in months due to blood clots. I hope that we can get something for ball.

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In what sense is Griffin Ainge's protege?

Haha. Check this out. This is BizarroDae that lives in LA.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2019/06/12/...uchable-trade/

Ok. I'm really going to bed. Gotta get six kids to VBS in six hours.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Haha. Check this out. This is BizarroDae that lives in LA.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2019/06/12/...uchable-trade/

Ok. I'm really going to bed. Gotta get six kids to VBS in six hours.

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''Brandon Ingram is gonna be our next star. I can tell cause of the stats he averaged in this 11 game span.''

Does someone wanna tell him that E'twaun Moore had a 10 game stretch near the start of this year where he averaged 19ppg on 58% from the floor and 50% from three.

Is the minutes away from becoming a star?

Rich Paul is exerting what little control he has over the AD trade. I think it’s a good sign that he did this. The CELTICS are serious and I believe they will take the risk knowing that AD could help them go to the FINALS. Davis wants to win and being in the EAST he’d likely make it to playoffs every year.

If Ainge trades Smart and Tatum and Baynes plus 14th pick and next years Memphis 2020 1st rounders for AD he will also need to get rid or Rozier, maybe a sign and trade to BULLS or PHX... Moving Rozier and Smart would be smart if they want to start fresh and bring Kyrie back. Ainge could get a starting SF trading Rozier. Give Kyrie the team he wants and he returns imo. AD would be very excited to play for Boston. No doubt if Danny Ainge makes a few ballsy moves the LAKERS fail to
Get AD . I think people underestimate how bad Boston wants AD.

Rich Paul is doing everything he can to stop Boston from having serious talks with the PELS. There’s little doubt that Kyrie has a much better chance of winning a championship if he stays with CELTICS once they land AD! Likewise, AD probably has a better shot in the EAST playing with Horford, Hayward, Kyrie and new faces Ainge would bring in via trading Rozier.



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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Wait, so common sense says they offered everything? I would have thought the Lakers would have too, but apparently not.

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So the reported offer was Porzingis, Knox, and this year unprotected pick. After the Dallas trade the rumor was Knox, Robinson, Ntilikina, unprotected pick, and the picks they got from Dallas. I can't find anything that's falls under official sources report, but come on if they were willing to move their dollar for 75cents you don't think they're willing to trade that 75cents for a dollar?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You don't understand, let me explain.

If the Knicks offer everything, it helps his point, so it's common sense.

If the Lakers offer everything, it hurts his point, so it's not common sense.

Hope that helped.

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WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

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Those assets from the Lakers weren’t worth trading for. Now the Lakers have a better asset with a 4th pick which wouldn’t have been available if AD was traded during the season.


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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

WTF are you talking about? It was reported the Lakers offered up every asset they had last year also. And now that offer has been reduced. Which if we are playing that game. Makes me "right". Waiting cost us assets in a AD trade.

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As I've stated already

Ingram, Ball, #4 => Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, #12 (or higher)

Waiting to do the trade gave us the best odds of getting Zion, which we did, and clearly it didn't harm the Lakers offer because even after a huge jump in the lottery the Lakers are offering all their main pieces except for Kuzma.

This also ignores the facts that the Lakers offered Ingram, Ball, #4 and Griff told them NO, he wants more. So what we end up getting for AD will be better than that offer.

In no sense of the word did waiting cost us assets.

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Originally Posted by Kyrios

i'm bummed out. do I have to go start watching ingram & lonzo highlight videos now? :sleepy:

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Ingram is decent to watch...lonzo on the other hand is ...interesting.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

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''Brandon Ingram is gonna be our next star. I can tell cause of the stats he averaged in this 11 game span.''

Does someone wanna tell him that E'twaun Moore had a 10 game stretch near the start of this year where he averaged 19ppg on 58% from the floor and 50% from three.

Is the minutes away from becoming a star?

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E’twaun is 30 years old Ingram is 21 years old bro he’s still got a lot of room to improve , Moore is as good as he’s gonna get .


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Griff came up under Ainge in Phoenix. He worked for Ainge.

Does this help lessen the blow for the Celtics to trade Tatum to the Pels? Ha ha ha

Jayson Tatum Angers Boston Fans By Celebrating St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup Title https://thebiglead.com/2019/06/12/ja...y-cup-celtics/ via @thebiglead