Pels Off season thread

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Odd outlier. The expectation is that there is a promise to pay him when they get bird rights. Huge risk for him though. Porter took less from Warriors as well to try and increase his future value.

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Had heard that Porter was taking less because he's content after his max deal. Just wants to chill and play on a contender and not have to be a focal point. Not a bad life

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

There was another deal worked out for Graham and then an opportunity came up and we switched it to a protected 1st. Like I keep saying, lets let the whole thing play out and evaluate as a while. I expect Hart and Sato out and a starter plus 2-3 good reserves in over the next few days. Then we can all give our opinions as a whole

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And as Dae mentioned earlier in this thread, we probably used the protected first to keep Charlotte from matching. It seems fair to me and if he were in next years draft, he would definitely be a good get after the 14th pick. I'm ok adding the protected 1st.

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

And as Dae mentioned earlier in this thread, we probably used the protected first to keep Charlotte from matching. It seems fair to me and if he were in next years draft, he would definitely be a good get after the 14th pick. I'm ok adding the protected 1st.

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Both to keep Charlotte from matching and to participate in/facilitate what I assume will eventually be a 3 team deal. You're paying Charlotte to be willing participants.

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Originally Posted by Snarly

I don't really care what anyone thinks about our offseason. At the end of the day, if the Pelicans can put together a complimentary roster for Zion and BI, add the necessary spacing, IQ, ball security, free throw shooting, and defense, I will feel really good about this squad. I am hoping we field an offense as one of the top spacing offenses in the league. I'm patiently waiting for the next several moves to judge Griffin and Langdon on their vision for this offseason.

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I think it's exactly this. If Zion and Ingram are who people assume they are, and if you think they can co-exist, then you build complementary pieces around them that allow them to be better. Trey Murphy is a perfect example. Low usage player that doesn't need the ball in his hands but is an elite 3 point shooter. Of course that assumes his game translates to the NBA with bigger and more athletic players guarding him.

You could also make the argument that outside of Kyle Lowry and maybe Westbrook, the next best player that changed teams so far this offseason was Jonas Valenciunas. Ja Morant is the more skilled player, and will be better very soon, but JV was far more important to them being in playoff contention the last two years. My only question is how he fits with Zion and Ingram considering he has a much higher usage than Adams. Though the difference can easily be minimized by Zion and Ingram getting more assists off him than they would from Adams.

My first reaction was we got hosed for Lonzo. That was just reading the deal and not really putting things into perspective. We tried Zo, BI and Zion. It definitely did not work. There was a no way we could pay Zo $21M plus per year. I did not want him back for that, and our FO obviously did not either, so they got the scraps they could get. I think all of that has a likelihood of being flipped. I really like Graham for half the price at PG. He can get the job done along with Kira. I wish we had not given up another first but we did what we had to do. This team almost has to make the playoffs (even as a 6-8 seed) this year or it's big trouble anyway so hopefully it's a pick in the late teens or early 20s.

We retain flexibility cap wise and I honestly think we are better with Graham/JV than we were with Zo/Adams. I would love to keep Josh Hart because he always acted like he wanted to be here but I see the value in him and that he may be used to recoup a pick. That said, I think we are a better team with the additions (including Murphy) and we can add another guy. I am not sure DeRozan is the answer but we may be the only team (along with possibly Charlotte) that can do something like that without a S/T. We have options and I like where we are. Just took me a little while to see it.

Rudy Gay is signing a two-year, $12.1M deal with the Jazz, with a player option, his agents Raymond Brothers and Sam Permut said. https://t.co/yWjQ9HzQNy

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 3, 2021

Its happening. Ingles please

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Rudy Gay is signing a two-year, $12.1M deal with the Jazz, with a player option, his agents Raymond Brothers and Sam Permut said. https://t.co/yWjQ9HzQNy

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 3, 2021

Its happening. Ingles please

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Ingles would be a nice pickup as long as we do not have to give up any 1sts. Maybe a couple of 2nds?

The Jazz are currently 13.6 million above the luxury tax. Joe Ingles contract is 13 million. Could save themselves a ton of money by sending Ingles to the Pels, and could still sign to the Rudy Gay taxpayer MLE. Same could be said for Hart and Bogdanovich if Hart signs for roughly 10 million.

I think Jazz will pay the Tax. Don't get your hopes up.

Just get me Derozan or Buddy, DG, and all is forgiven.

Gotta think Buddy's contract may be too much for Griffin to swallow. Could we be looking to move Satoransky for Dragic? Or trying to pry Ingles away from Utah? Personally, not sure Dragic would be worth the extra $9+ million in salary over Satoransky, but who knows?

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I think Jazz will pay the Tax. Don't get your hopes up.

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They would still be paying the tax regardless, but is Ingles or Bojan worth an extra $25 million in tax when they can replace Bojan for Hart and only pay $1 million in tax

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

They would still be paying the tax regardless, but is Ingles or Bojan worth an extra $25 million in tax when they can replace Bojan for Hart and only pay $1 million in tax

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Yeah, I have a feeling this is being worked on today or maybe that's my hope. Griff has to use Hart and Sato in trades now.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Gotta think Buddy's contract may be too much for Griffin to swallow. Could we be looking to move Satoransky for Dragic? Or trying to pry Ingles away from Utah? Personally, not sure Dragic would be worth the extra $9+ million in salary over Satoransky, but who knows?

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I believe Dragic resigned w/ Miami but maybe we can get Brogdon.
Brogdon and Ingles would be nice. Just don't know if we can get both.

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Originally Posted by PELSGIRL

Yeah, I have a feeling this is being worked on today or maybe that's my hope. Griff has to use Hart and Sato in trades now.

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Warriors were the other team rumored to be interested in Ingles and Bojan, and they just signed Bjelica. The Jazz guys are obviously better, but the skillsets are redundant with Bjelica

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Originally Posted by PELSGIRL

I believe Dragic resigned w/ Miami but maybe we can get Brogdon.
Brogdon and Ingles would be nice. Just don't know if we can get both.

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He was part of the S&T to Toronto for Lowry, so he could be re-routed. Rumors have been that he was going to go to the Mavs, but Pels have been mentioned as having interest.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He was part of the S&T to Toronto for Lowry, so he could be re-routed. Rumors have been that he was going to go to the Mavs, but Pels have been mentioned as having interest.

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Oh, gotcha.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

They would still be paying the tax regardless, but is Ingles or Bojan worth an extra $25 million in tax when they can replace Bojan for Hart and only pay $1 million in tax

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That’s the price you pay to be a contender. If you're afraid to pay. Why even bother owning an NBA team? Seems like contending teams have zero issues with going all in and paying the tax the last few years. You got GSW and BKN paying $100 million as tax teams. $25 million isn't a lot to NBA owners anymore. These are billionaires...

Which is starting to worry me, because I know we don't bring in FA. This offseason... It seems just very odd for an exciting young squad with a really exciting new head coach to have so little interest.

I think Griff backstabbing, micromanaging, and throwing so many Vets/coaches under the bus on top of NOLA becoming a Vet graveyard has made what is already a super tough sell for FA seem like "Avoid at all Cost" for any FA.

We got to get the drama under control, win games, and start acting like a functional organic organization.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

That’s the price you pay to be a contender. If you're afraid to pay. Why even bother owning an NBA team? Seems like contending teams have zero issues with going all in and paying the tax the last few years. You got GSW and BKN paying $100 million as tax teams. $25 million isn't a lot to NBA owners anymore. These are billionaires...

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The tax is such a joke. There should not be a tax. All teams should operate under the same cap. The tax is just a way for the "haves" to send money to the "have nots" to keep them happy while the "haves" compete for championships.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

https://youtu.be/ov-Cv2OG8e8

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At this point in time this sounds more like a conspiracy theory than an actual plan the Pelicans have. Have any of you heard anything about an expanded trade. If that is the plan it is a well kept secret. And as he correctly pointed out giving up a first in the Graham trade was reprehensible.

Any of you hearing anything about an expanded trade tying in Memphis?

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

Any of you hearing anything about an expanded trade tying in Memphis?

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There has been a lot of speculation, mainly by locals. Given that we would likely want to remain over the cap, I can see another trade being lumped in (unless Hart signs for say $10 million or more a year).

Do not want derozan, can’t hit the 3. We already have a secondary scorer in Ingram. Ingles and Barnes would be fantastic fits though.

James Johnson signed with Nets.

Welp... We got make a move for another big. James Johnson signed with the Nets. Don't have a backup PF

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

At this point in time this sounds more like a conspiracy theory than an actual plan the Pelicans have. Have any of you heard anything about an expanded trade. If that is the plan it is a well kept secret. And as he correctly pointed out giving up a first in the Graham trade was reprehensible.

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I would bet that we get back a first from somewhere else in the coming days. I understand the necessity to make consistent content, and I like Jake, but can we wait until the dust settles to call something reprehensible. That being said, if we don't replace the first, I will be pretty frustrated

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I would bet that we get back a first from somewhere else in the coming days. I understand the necessity to make consistent content, and I like Jake, but can we wait until the dust settles to call something reprehensible. That being said, if we don't replace the first, I will be pretty frustrated

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Idk... He's pretty right regardless if he waited or didn't wait to put out this content. Giving a pick so that Charolette can be a trade wagon for other moves makes sense. There was no way Hornets where matching, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Idk... He's pretty right regardless if he waited or didn't wait to put out this content. Giving a pick so that Charolette can be a trade wagon for other moves makes sense. There was no way Hornets where matching, anyway.

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I firmly disagree. All signs coming out of Charlotte were that they would match on Graham unless they were blown away. 4/47 is by no means blowing them away, and if anything it's a pretty nice value signing. While you can make the argument that we should have given them a second, you have to also factor in the value of facilitating a sign and trade and incorporating a 3rd team. Charlotte doesn't have to play ball if they don't want to, so you have to give them value back in order to do so. That is why there is definitely another move coming. Otherwise, we would have likely seen Sato and the 2nd go to Charlotte for Graham

Saw elsewhere that Pels one of several teams interested in Danny Green.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Saw elsewhere that Pels one of several teams interested in Danny Green.

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I'll believe when I see it. All of these guys who are trying to get more money are trying to use teams like the Pelicans to squeeze out some more money from teams they intend to sign with. We're brought up because we have cap to burn.

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Originally Posted by Snarly

I'll believe when I see it. All of these guys who are trying to get more money are trying to use teams like the Pelicans to squeeze out some more money from teams they intend to sign with. We're brought up because we have cap to burn.

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Wouldn't doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Snarly

I'll believe when I see it. All of these guys who are trying to get more money are trying to use teams like the Pelicans to squeeze out some more money from teams they intend to sign with. We're brought up because we have cap to burn.

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Yea our next move won't be a FA. It will be through a trade

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Sharife can't shoot, but we still should have taken him

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I don't know if I'd let 12 games determine whether or not a player can shoot.

Free agent C Andre Drummond has agreed to a one-year deal with the 76ers, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

Lmao

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Welp... We got make a move for another big. James Johnson signed with the Nets. Don't have a backup PF

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That sucks. Would have loved to have him back.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Free agent C Andre Drummond has agreed to a one-year deal with the 76ers, source tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

Lmao

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, kawhi rim bounce game winner really did broke that franchise.

Once a player can no longer command a big salary, they all generally look to end their careers on perennial contending teams. I never expected to retain him.

Anybody find it the least bit strange that neither Langdon or Griff has said anything about Jonas yet? They spoke extensively on Trey Murphy, so it's not like they're not talking about pieces of that trade until it's finalized. I wonder if Jonas is still included in some talks

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Anybody find it the least bit strange that neither Langdon or Griff has said anything about Jonas yet? They spoke extensively on Trey Murphy, so it's not like they're not talking about pieces of that trade until it's finalized. I wonder if Jonas is still included in some talks

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The league made an exception for draft picks. They however did not for players who are part of a trade.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He is 23 years old. If he were on another team and we had just acquired him. many would be raving about the player we got. However, I understand that when a player leaves, we have to justify by making ridiculous comments like he has peaked at 23.

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For argument purposes about not peaking at a young age just for the sake of argument, of course it can be argued to death that he?s only turning 24. Until he turns 25, 26, 27, and excuses can?t be made anymore. It?s better for the Bulls to use up cap on the strength of hoping he advances from being average. Watching Lonzo play for 4 seasons now as a former no. 2 overall pick, he?s not that guy period.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

I would bet that we get back a first from somewhere else in the coming days. I understand the necessity to make consistent content, and I like Jake, but can we wait until the dust settles to call something reprehensible. That being said, if we don't replace the first, I will be pretty frustrated

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Could have used a better word there.

What is the over under that the trades with Memphis and Charlotte stand on their own and will not be expanded to include other pieces with other teams? I would say the odds are we have a finished product.

Danny Green has spoken with the Sixers over the past 24 hours multiple times. The sides are nowhere close to a deal.

Representatives from Milwaukee, Boston, Chicago, New Orleans are among some of the team that have reached out.

— Harrison Sanford (@HarrisonSanford) August 3, 2021

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

What is the over under that the trades with Memphis and Charlotte stand on their own and will not be expanded to include other pieces with other teams? I would say the odds are we have a finished product.

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It's always more probable that a trade is simpler rather than more complex. The odds are that the trades are what they are, simply because straight up trades are easier and more frequent than complex multiteam deals.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

Anybody find it the least bit strange that neither Langdon or Griff has said anything about Jonas yet? They spoke extensively on Trey Murphy, so it's not like they're not talking about pieces of that trade until it's finalized. I wonder if Jonas is still included in some talks

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This may sound ridiculous, but the news we got out of the Jones pick was that he was picked for name/local recognition for our new G League team in Birmingham with him being from Bama.

So, we throw away all our 2nd round picks in historically deep draft in my opinion for cash and our G league team hype player. I'm only salty about it, because I really liked this past year draft and the organization kind of punted it away for nonsense.

I get people will argue that 2nd round is a low quality pick, but I felt there was atleast 5 developmental guys that could of been impact players in a few years at bargain bin prices. Butler, Cooper, Thor, and couple of others.

Most of time... I don't care for 2nd round players, but this year was different.

I don't live in New Orleans but what is the prevailing thoughts among local beat writers after yesterday?

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Originally Posted by Lee2000

I don't live in New Orleans but what is the prevailing thoughts among local beat writers after yesterday?

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Just wait and see, but mostly head scratching without all the moves to make sense of it all.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

This may sound ridiculous, but the news we got out of the Jones pick was that he was picked for name/local recognition for our new G League team in Birmingham with him being from Bama.

So, we throw away all our 2nd round picks in historically deep draft in my opinion for cash and our G league team hype player. I'm only salty about it, because I really liked this past year draft and the organization kind of punted it away for nonsense.

I get people will argue that 2nd round is a low quality pick, but I felt there was atleast 5 developmental guys that could of been impact players in a few years at bargain bin prices. Butler, Cooper, Thor, and couple of others.

Most of time... I don't care for 2nd round players, but this year was different.

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Most of the draft guys I trust really like Herb Jones and liked the Herb Jones pick at 35, specifically for what the Pelicans need. I've already gone over all of the reasons why it was important to take a 22 year old who is a jumper away from being a role player with the current state of the franchise

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

He is 23 years old. If he were on another team and we had just acquired him. many would be raving about the player we got. However, I understand that when a player leaves, we have to justify by making ridiculous comments like he has peaked at 23.

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I would be extremely disappointed if we signed Lonzo to $21 million a year if he was a UFA of another team. Still signing a player based on risky potential after putting up underwhelming production. It would?ve felt like signing Morris Peterson or Omer Asik to big money because we want to pay them of how they Can or might perform, rather than based on their actual play.

Look at all the Guards drafted in the top 5 after Lonzo?s draft year 2017. The ones that became stars did so by their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd seasons. Edwards (2020), LaMelo (2020), Morant (2019), Doncic (2018), and Trae (2018).

DeAaron Fox and Donovan Mitchell were selected after Lonzo in same draft at #5 and #13. And they?re considered top 20 players in the league. We?re talking about a no. 2 overall pick going into year 5 now, not a bottom top 10 or later lottery pick. There’s early 2nd round picks from the same draft years that has outperformed Lonzo now. Without Lonzo’s dad and reality TV fame, everyone would have called him average by now.