For the few guys you can make a case for that made it there are thousands who didn't. I like Murray a lot but he has some serious concerns with his game. He has his pros and cons like anyone but some cons are scary ones to have.
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04-22-2016, 08:07 PMGuardianAngel25
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04-22-2016, 08:11 PMGuardianAngel25Yea I think he would be a perfect fit here. Especially if we got someone like Dunn and the potential he has. Like you said his contract is great going in to the new cap and gives us even more flexibility. Jrue is on another level then Rubio and considering the issues they have at PG I could see them seriously considering the swap. I think it's a trade that both teams can come out winning because of fit and need. Jrue could help that team take a step to the next level and give Kidd a PG similiar to himself. I think Kidd values PG over a SG and IMO Jrue is better then Middleton but not by much. I think they would even have to throw in a little extra to get Jrue but I would be open to a straight up swap.Quote:
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04-22-2016, 08:14 PMPelifanQuote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/05/ja...outing-report/Quote:
Murray’s shot making has been his best attribute and is probably what will get him paid in the pros. He’s proven able to not only hit shots spotting up on the weak-side but also shooting on the move — sprinting around a series of screens, setting his feet in a pinch and pulling the trigger. His mechanics are clean and his release is quick enough that he can get his shot off comfortably. Often getting the ball from Ulis in good spots, Murray has hit 38.2 percent of his 89 3-point shots, being assisted on 85.3 percent of those.
so 85% (through January, could be more or less) but yea . He's really at his best offball. Which I think he could carve out a nice role in the NBA as a good shooter with great scoring instincts but he doesn't have the size he needs to be a Klay Thompson type guy who only plays off the ball. And that's assuming his 3 point shooting ever gets to that level. Which I wouldn't say is likely... -
04-22-2016, 08:20 PMGuardianAngel25Yea comparing him to Klay makes little sense when there is no comparison. I can see him being a very similiar player to CJ McCollum which is definitely not a bad thing. I would feel a lot more comfortable with a player like Hield though who has everything he has an more. Plus he's a better athlete and has a much better frame for the defensive side of the ball.Quote:
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04-23-2016, 07:35 PMfullcourtpress
Having your best shooter as someone who zig, zags through screens and can catch and shoot in on the run is very bothersome for a defense. Rip Hamilton was great for that.
Most of the great shooters we have had simply spot up waay outside whereas to space the floor. Murray would demand a very good defender to stop him from getting 3's
I think he can create much better than people think. When you're playing next to a 5'9" PG- he is the PG on every play and the offense is going to go through him. Murray shot high volume as a fresh. and still hit over 40%. gimme a break. The few times he did create he looked immensly skilled and talented -
04-23-2016, 07:43 PMfullcourtpress
IMO the safest prospect we could choose would be Deandre Bembry at the end of the 1st or early 2nd
He racked up 17.4 ppg 7.8 rebs 4.5 assists for basically 2 seasons at st. joes and is widely regarded for his versatility and high bball IQ
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Few players have increased their stock in recent weeks as much as St. Joe's wing DeAndre Bembry, who is fresh off another very strong performance against Cincinnati in the Round of 64, with 23 points (on 14 shots), 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals and 2 blocks. He seems to have saved his best for last, after an exhilarating 30 point outing against VCU in the Atlantic-10 Tournament Championship game.
Bembry will see one of the strongest opponents he's faced thus far in his college career in #1 seed Oregon, certainly from an offensive standpoint at least. He'll likely be matched up with forwards Elgin Cook, Dillon Brooks and Dwayne Benjamin for most of the night, all of whom are very different players. Brooks is the most skilled of the bunch, but Bembry will have a significant advantage here in terms of athleticism and length. Cook might be Oregon's best matchup for slowing down Bembry, with his chiseled frame, long arms, strong athleticism and aggressive mentality defensively.
Scouts shouldn't have too many question marks about Bembry's overall talent level, as he's one of the most versatile players in the college game, possessing tremendous instincts, passing ability and underrated athleticism. He tends to float in and out of games for whatever reason, though, on both ends of the floor, looking far too lackadaisical with his intensity and effort level. His shooting has also been somewhat of a concern, as he's converted just 26% of his 3-point attempts this season and 31% for his career.
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Saint Joe's guard DeAndre Bembry helped himself as much as any other player at the Nike Academy in Santa Monica, CA. Measuring a solid 6' 6” in shoes (albeit with an average 6' 8” wingspan and overall frame), Bembry displayed a very versatile offensive skill set that, when coupled with his athleticism, could make him a very interesting prospect in the 2016 NBA Draft if he puts together a productive junior season.
Bembry played above the rim in transition, facilitated out of pick and roll sets and isolations in the half court, moved actively off the ball, and made enough shots (both off the catch and off the dribble) to generate some hope for him developing into a more reliable shooter. Bembry may not be an elite athlete at the NBA level, but he shows great speed in the open court and is able to play above the rim with relative ease in the half court.
But what stood out the most was Bembry's ability to make plays with the ball. Although he's not an overly advanced ball handler, the Charlotte, NC native was very comfortable distributing on the move, hitting the roll man in stride, locating spot up shooters in traffic and even throwing lobs on occasion.
Bembry is a bit stuck between the two and the three from a physical standpoint, but his natural passing instincts and ability to play with the ball helped ease some of those concerns. Bembry also has the lateral quickness to defend shooting guards at the NBA level, which more often than not defines a player's position more than anything he does on the offensive end.
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04-23-2016, 07:45 PMLelicans
From what MM was saying we're highly likely to go with an upperclassman.
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04-23-2016, 07:50 PMGuardianAngel25
Full court what do you think about Winston Shepard from San Diego St.? Maybe he works with a former Aztec in the off season while having a similiar skill set. Not saying he will be Leonard but he has a chance to be a very good player IMO. I like his skill set a lot and if he can improve in a few areas that just take hard work he can be very good.
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04-23-2016, 09:38 PMEman5805Buddy Hield seems like the most likely player we'd target. Or Kris Dunn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lelicans
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04-23-2016, 09:43 PMfullcourtpress
TO me the perfect draft would be
either Murray, Hield, Dunn or Brown
trade one pick and player for a first and get i Skal Labissiere
then come back and draft Deandre Bembry in the 2nd
Labissiere was a flop last year; Now, he is still a good damn prospect that most probably will become a starter for somebody. He would be the rim protecting center who could also run the court with Davis
We NEED an upgrade at center. The other western powers would all have a problem with our length and speed in the frontcourt--- and you have to be stronger than them somewhere
jrue and frazier
Hield and BDJ
ennis and Beambry
davis
skai and asik
otherwise we should try and make a smaller move and grab diamond stone or thon maker
Diamond Stone could really compliment Davis 20 minutes a game.
jrue and frazier
Hield and BDJ
Paul zisper and ennis
Davis
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04-23-2016, 10:12 PMSilverfoxxIt's honestly Buddy or trade. Dunn is not going past Minnesota. I don't wanna even get my hopes up for that haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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04-23-2016, 10:22 PMGuardianAngel25
Would love to move back into this draft and grab Skal. With the two 2nd rounders and some future picks it's possible to trade back in. I think Skal would be the perfect big man to try and develop to his potential. Working out with AD everyday could only be a good thing for him. The kid has top pick potential and it's likely he just needs more time. Look at Drummond for example who had two years that weren't very impressive. Skal and AD would fit perfectly next to each other being versatile to be interchangeable on both sides of the court. I think he will be much better then Noel because of his mid range shot.
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04-23-2016, 10:29 PMGuardianAngel25
ManCJ McCollum has to make you feel very good about drafting someone like Hield and Murray. Just shows Hield has all star potential and can be a top 5 SG. He is an inch taller with a much stronger frame and a better athlete. If you watch Murray he is a very similiar player. He's actually an inch taller while having the same wing span and standing reach. Both had a very similiar skill set in college being somewhat combo guards. If CJ can be a star then you should feel a lot more comfortable with Murray.
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04-23-2016, 10:31 PMGuardianAngel25
When you look at the SGs in the playoff really Hield would be one of the bigger ones. The only SGs that would really have the height on him are Klay and Derozan. Harden is a little taller but other then that nobody is going to give him any problems. Even Murray matches up against all of the SGs but the 3 I mentioned. It's not like they can't guard those guys either.
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04-23-2016, 10:32 PMSilverfoxx
Thon Maker>Skal
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04-23-2016, 11:13 PMEman5805What if they plan on getting Mike Conley? That team needs some veteran leadership and sounds like Conley is on the way out. And I bet Coach Thibs would want an experienced point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverfoxx
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04-23-2016, 11:45 PMPelifanNo I don't. CJ is shifty and sudden in a way Chris Paul is as well. He isn't a run and jump athlete, but he's much more difficult to stay in front of him because he's got a good start first step. In college you can see his ball handling and quickness on display vs Duke. Great crossover and hesitation game as well and was a much better ballhandler than both Murray and Hield. I don't think you can even make the comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
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04-23-2016, 11:57 PMSilverfoxxIf they get Conley, I'm praying to sweet baby Jesus we draft Dunn and trade Jrue for a wing or high IQ mid first rounder like Valentine. That way we kill two birds with one stone. Demps doing something like this will make me a believer in him again. My MAIN thing with the office is the whole win now thing. In reality Murray would be a great pick, but since Demps is forced to win a upperclassmen is rumored to be the only option. Valentine and Dunn are both seasoned, but trading one of his "core moves" would probably confirmed his mistake about trading for Jrue. I'm not sure he is bold enough to do or admit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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04-24-2016, 12:03 AMSilverfoxx
My thing is this, either go big or go home. If we are gonna try to build something special here, get rich or die trying. If AD leaves us, I'll honestly rest as a fan knowing we did EVERYTHING in our power to build around him and give him the pieces to win. I can respect any organization that tries. One like Houston, is it backfiring now? Of course! But their GM is awesome as hell for what he tried to pull off in my opinion. They made the wcf last year, and if his core pieces were semj passionate about the game they would be a power staple in the West for years.
That's what it's all about. I just feel that this franchise has to go all in and lay the groundwork for this thing starting this off season. I'm VERY intrigued to see how Demps will respond. He knows fans and support is against him, and Doubt in the air for this franchise and seaosn holders, let's just sit back let May 17 begin the domino affect. -
04-24-2016, 12:10 AMGuardianAngel25
Lillard and CJ were the 6th and 10th picks of the draft as well. Should make you feel a little better about our pick.
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04-24-2016, 12:16 AMGuardianAngel25No CJ was not much shiftier then Hield. You also need to understand Hield is about 20 lbs heavier and much stronger while being even better at creating his own shot. The point was if CJ can do it at his size Hield definitely can and Murray has a very good shot as well. He and quite a few other SGs are showing you don't have to have Kobes size to be dominant. Someone like Hield can be one of the best scoring SGs in the NBA. Almost all of the SGs in the playoffs aren't any bigger and don't present a problem for them to guard. He has the size and length to guard someone like Harden while Derozan and Klay are the only guys who really have height/length on him. Murray is a little smaller but even he measures out better than Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelifan
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04-24-2016, 12:38 AMSilverfoxx
Honestly, watching Buddy move, he is really quick and athletic enough to get by in the NBA. I don't see the big fuss about his handles either. I think he will be a very productive player. Won't be surprised if he becomes an all star.
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04-24-2016, 12:51 AMGuardianAngel25
Hield is an inch taller with a 2 inch longer wingspan than CJ. Is a much better athlete while being way stronger having about 20 lbs more on his frame than CJ. Sure CJ might be a little better at creating for others but Hield can be an even better scorer and much better defender. I think a player like Hield could be exactly what this team needs and that is a flat out scorer who can take over a game. Having Jrue run the point and create for him while having someone like AD inside is something he hasn't had he luxury of playing with. Put a two way SF next to him and this team can be something serious. Hield has 20-25 ppg scorer potential. With Jure and AD along with a solid SF I can see Hield getting he ball enough for about 18-22 ppg. Kid is going to be a star.
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04-24-2016, 01:25 AMPelifanhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4quug-Q8J8sQuote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
Tried to find a short highlight clip illustrating the difference but show me anything resembling the quickness or balance that CJ shows there from Hield or Murray. I like Hield a lot (top 4 maybe 3) but he's more slithery than shifty driving to the basket. He doesn't have have that kind of start and stop quickness. kind of reminds me of Alec Burks with elite shooting. Bradley beal is probably still his best NBA comp though -
04-24-2016, 01:28 AMfullcourtpressSeems Sheppard could be as ready as any player in the draft to walk in and earn his coach's love for his tenacity and versitlity on defense.... only problem is his shooting ability will probably prevent him from walking in that door until after having spent some time in the developmental league.Quote:
Originally Posted by GuardianAngel25
This is one of the many reasons I wish we had our own developmental team. Hell, the team could be located in B.R/ Mobile or something whereas to drum up more support for the pelicans in the region. Having a handful of developmental projects learning your system and getting coached up can only help huh?