Pels Off season thread

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

Unsigned NBA free agents include:
DeRozan
Dinwiddie
Kawhi (listening but prolly LAC)
Schroder
Melo
Monk
Oubre
Reggie Jax
John Collins
Lauri
Blake
Drummond
Kieff
Iggy
Dipo
Otto
Hassan
Torrey
D Green
Patty
Lou Wil
Bruce Brown
Hart
Avery B
Frank N
Elf
Taj
Theo

— New York Basketball (@NBA_NewYork) August 3, 2021

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Interested to see where derozan goes

After watching highlights I think Graham is going to be really good for us. He hits some really tough shots. He should get plenty more open looks with Zion on the floor.

Oklahoma City Thunder guard Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has agreed to a five-year, $172 million maximum rookie contract extension, his agent Thaddeus Foucher of @Wasserman tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

Looks like they couldn't squeeze 5 firsts out of anyone

Atlanta Hawks All-Star G Trae Young has agreed to a five-year, $207 million designated rookie maximum extension, his agent Omar Wilkes of @KlutchSports tells ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

I think people will be surprised. Graham is gonna be a baller for us.

The Pelicans absolutely had to find a starting PG in free agency. With the top guys going elsewhere (as to be expected), we just had to make a move. Graham was not high on the list for most people but he came at decent price (much cheaper than Zo), decent spot up 3 point shooter and defender, a little older than the young core guys but still coming into his prime, and locked in for the next 4 years. The Pelicans simply could not afford to wait any longer to address this glaring need. Now they can shift the focus more to signing the best available player instead of having to fill the glaring need.

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Interested to see where derozan goes

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His lack of range makes him a hard sell. He has less range than Westbrook. I'm pretty sure a team could make him work that desperately need a mid-range work horse.

What I loved about Graham in the highlights I saw was his high energy level. Lonzo's energy was always suspect and he would get down on himself and never really get the team hype or in a ready to win position. This I believe influenced BI and Zion (to a certain extent) in a bad way. As a lead guard, you have to sometimes will your team to victory and the small details like hyping them up to believe they can beat any team at any time even when they don't match up talent wise. I just don't see Lonzo doing that.

Chicago is paying Lonzo to be 2019 Graham. Graham?s #s reduced last year after Hayward and Melo were added. Graham is worth the contract that Lonzo signed and not worth, yet we got Graham for cheaper money because of the 2020 season.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Chicago is paying Lonzo to be 2019 Graham. Graham?s #s reduced last year after Hayward and Melo were added. Graham is worth the contract that Lonzo signed for, yet we got him for cheaper money because of the 2020 season.

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And he was banged up all year too.

Someone said on twitter, Graham's agent is also Zion's agent so there's that.

Some of the shots the dude makes are just silly. He is light years ahead of Lonzo with off the bounce shooting which will be awesome in the PnR with Zion.

I am 100% certain Graham's highlights are better than Lonzo's. Lol

Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

Kawhi + BI + Zion make it happen Griff

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

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Disappointing


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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

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Interested to see what the contract is

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

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Lmao. We continue to strike out on free agents.

It took Lonzo, the 2nd overall pick, 4 seasons to be what Graham, the 34th overall pick, was in 2 seasons. And Graham’s 2nd season in 2019-2020 was his first year with starter minutes.

Lonzo has reached his ceiling as a shooter. For every run he looks great, he goes on another streak of games where he looks below average and disappears. We dodged a huuuuge bullet by not committing $85 million to him for four years

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Lmao. We continue to strike out on free agents.

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U think the pels couldn't get him if they paid him ?

Dinwiddie is very boom or bust and not worth over $18 mill

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Originally Posted by JunkHead

Free agent guard Spencer Dinwiddie is nearing a deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

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Good if they signed him for $20 plus million a season.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Lonzo has reached his ceiling as a shooter.

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So, you have made that declaration for a player who is 23?

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

U think the pels couldn't get him if they paid him ?

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We supposedly offered Lowry more.

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

U think the pels couldn't get him if they paid him ?

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Absolutely not.

I’d rather see other teams destroy their cap than to see Griff throwing out terrible contracts just to make a move

Sources: Otto Porter Jr. turned down the midlevel exception elsewhere to play for the Warriors at the minimum. https://t.co/CszqvrO37w

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) August 3, 2021

Mixed feelings for Porter.

On the one hand, playing with the Warriors is the best case scenario for him to restore some value. He's a 44% shooter on C&S threes over the last 5 years, even with the injuries, and he won't be required to guard anyone's top guy.

On the other hand, considering his injury history his agent's probably annoyed as hell that he turned down MLE money for a min.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I’d rather see other teams destroy their cap than to see Griff is throwing out terrible contracts just to make a move

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I agree.

If the options from hereon out are sign inflated, over-long contracts to players that don't deserve them, or just go forward with what we have, I'd go forward with what we have.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I’d rather see other teams destroy their cap than to see Griff is throwing out terrible contracts just to make a move

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I agree. Not mad at the moves so far, just disappointed in trading 2 1sts for a team that can’t attract free agents.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

I agree. Not mad at the moves so far, just disappointed in trading 2 1sts for a team that can’t attract free agents.

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Agree. I like the Graham signing and especially his contract. I just did not like giving up our 1st next year. It also restricts us in trades a bit as we cannot trade a 1st until 2024 now.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, you have made that declaration for a player who is 23?

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Yes either his development is lethargic going into his 5th year, or he is who he is

The deal includes a 30 percent escalator clause that would turn the guaranteed $172M base into $207M should SGA be voted onto one of the three All-NBA teams. Deal doesn’t include any early termination options. https://t.co/J8vWxu7rlb

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

That's a hefty escalation for an award SGA is almost guaranteed to hit at some point in the next few years

Spencer Dinwiddie Close To Three-Year, $60M Deal With Wizards https://t.co/7U7jqlNoN1

— RealGM (@RealGM) August 3, 2021

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Spencer Dinwiddie Close To Three-Year, $60M Deal With Wizards https://t.co/7U7jqlNoN1

— RealGM (@RealGM) August 3, 2021

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Yeah, too rich for my blood.

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Yes either his development is lethargic going into his 5th year, or he is who he is

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So, he had improved each year, but suddenly you declare he has peaked? Not sure about that.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, too rich for my blood.

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Actually less than I thought he would get, but agree it is a bit rich. I thought Griffin would go pretty high.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

We supposedly offered Lowry more.

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Lowry was never coming. Miami has South beach and pat Riley and Eric spoelstra and Jimmy butler

I think diwinddle would come to New Orleans

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Lowry was never coming. Miami has South beach and pat Riley and Eric spoelstra and Jimmy butler

I think diwinddle would come to New Orleans

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Yeah, I think if we overpaid him more than the Wizards, he would likely have come. Supposedly he is close with Beal though.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, he had improved each year, but suddenly you declare he has peaked? Not sure about that.

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I keep hearing this idea, that Ball improved every year of his career, but I don't really know where it's come from. I feel like for every improvement he made in one place, he got worse elsewhere.

For example, this year was his best shooting year of his career, but his worst career year in terms of drives, FTR, and rim frequency.
Worst REB% year of his career.
Worst DBPM year of his career
Lowest self-creation rate of his career

Like, I get that he was at his highest career impact this year, but that was largely just because he had all of the extra responsibility stripped away from him and he was asked to play a much less demanding, less valuable role. Is it improvement to do well in a role that you only have because you got demoted to it? Maybe, but I'm not entirely sure it warrants the effusive praise of ''growth'' I've seen attached to it.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sources: Otto Porter Jr. turned down the midlevel exception elsewhere to play for the Warriors at the minimum. https://t.co/CszqvrO37w

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) August 3, 2021

Mixed feelings for Porter.

On the one hand, playing with the Warriors is the best case scenario for him to restore some value. He's a 44% shooter on C&S threes over the last 5 years, even with the injuries, and he won't be required to guard anyone's top guy.

On the other hand, considering his injury history his agent's probably annoyed as hell that he turned down MLE money for a min.

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Helps to have curry, but long term doesn't seem smart

Devonte Graham posts a thank you message to Charlotte: pic.twitter.com/0w5cvp1Rrd

— Andrew Lopez (@_Andrew_Lopez) August 3, 2021

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

I’d rather see other teams destroy their cap than to see Griff throwing out terrible contracts just to make a move

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When in doubt... Look at the Knicks. All that cap space to bring back damn near the same team.

We are such a depressive fanbase

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Devonte Graham posts a thank you message to Charlotte: pic.twitter.com/0w5cvp1Rrd

— Andrew Lopez (@_Andrew_Lopez) August 3, 2021

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Classy

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

So, he had improved each year, but suddenly you declare he has peaked? Not sure about that.

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Peaked as a shooter. At the rate of his improvement, Lonzo won’t be possibly worth $21 million per year until the end of the contract. Way too slow of development with our core players trying to win now. Too slow for a no. 2 overall pick when Zion is dominant from day 1, or Ingram progressing into an AS in his 2nd and 3rd year. Or even his brother Melo as a rookie

I still can't believe John Collins and ATL haven't come to some kind of agreement.

Collins is really good!

Last season:

Age 23
30/12/2 per 100s

64.5%TS (has never shot worse than 60%TS in his career) including 40% from 3 for the second consecutive season (3.5 per game)
Better than 75% at the rim for the second consecutive year
65th in the NBA in EPM, including being pretty neutral on defense
+2.7 RAPTOR, tied with Devin Booker for 44th in the NBA

Just really top tier production for such a young player, and he's not a huge defensive liability anymore either. And this year he was playing a reduced role despite not being happy with Trae's ball dominance, still putting up those numbers. He's really good.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I agree.

If the options from hereon out are sign inflated, over-long contracts to players that don't deserve them, or just go forward with what we have, I'd go forward with what we have.

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Then, it be nice if stop throwing picks away if that's the plan

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Then, it be nice if stop throwing picks away if that's the plan

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA

Peaked as a shooter. At the rate of his improvement, Lonzo won’t be possibly worth $21 million per year until the end of the contract. Way too slow of development with our core players trying to win now. Too slow for a no. 2 overall pick when Zion is dominant from day 1, or Ingram progressing into an AS in his 2nd and 3rd year. Or even his brother Melo as a rookie

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You don't think its possible for a 23 year to get better as a shooter?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The deal includes a 30 percent escalator clause that would turn the guaranteed $172M base into $207M should SGA be voted onto one of the three All-NBA teams. Deal doesn’t include any early termination options. https://t.co/J8vWxu7rlb

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021

That's a hefty escalation for an award SGA is almost guaranteed to hit at some point in the next few years

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Not how that works