AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

If kuz isn’t in the trade there’s gotta be a 3rd team that adds value.

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I agree, because that offer including ball,ingram and 4th is robbery with that blood clot possibility.

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

I agree, because that offer including ball,ingram and 4th is robbery with that blood clot possibility.

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It is robbery without the blood clot possibility haha

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Originally Posted by Gr8Scott

It is robbery without the blood clot possibility haha

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Facts

Report: Lakers want to hold on to Kyle Kuzma in an Anthony Davis trade https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/12/rep...y-davis-trade/ via @hoopshype

Before Griff was here he set a value to AD. He would lose a lot of credibility if he took anything less. Would have to hold on to AD till later if necessary.

If Kyle Kuzma isn’t involved they should cease talks with the Lakers. Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram should all be on the move including the 4th overall a pick so we can flip Ball, the pick, and Ingram for someone like Bradley Beal.


Pelicans: Kyle Kuzma, Bradley Beal, 2022 Lakers 1st Round Pick, 2024 Lakers 1st Round Pick

Lakers: Anthony Davis

Wizards: Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Lakers 4th Overall Pick

Here's an interesting conversation: what's the WORST return for AD you can imagine yourself being okay with?

For me, it's probably something like Beal, Ingram, #6, and a future first.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

If Kyle Kuzma isn’t involved they should cease talks with the Lakers. Kuzma, Ball, and Ingram should all be on the move including the 4th overall a pick so we can flip Ball, the pick, and Ingram for someone like Bradley Beal.


Pelicans: Kyle Kuzma, Bradley Beal, 2022 Lakers 1st Round Pick, 2024 Lakers 1st Round Pick

Lakers: Anthony Davis

Wizards: Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Lakers 4th Overall Pick

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...just Kuzma from LA, and no picks until 2022?

Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

...just Kuzma from LA, and no picks until 2022?

Not a chance.

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It’s everything Griff said he wanted.

All-Star - Beal
All-Star Potential - Kuzma (Also plays the hardest position to fill in the NBA and a spot we’ve needed for over a decade.)
2 1st round picks

Those were his demands.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Here's an interesting conversation: what's the WORST return for AD you can imagine yourself being okay with?

For me, it's probably something like Beal, Ingram, #6, and a future first.

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Tatum and 2020 Memphis pick

Robinson, Knox, #3

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Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s everything Griff said he wanted.

All-Star - Beal
All-Star Potential - Kuzma (Also plays the hardest position to fill in the NBA and a spot we’ve needed for over a decade.)
2 1st round picks

Those were his demands.

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Kuzma doesn't have all-star potential, imo.

2 1st rounders, sure, but I don't think Griff had two first rounders that don't convey until 4 drafts from now in mind.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Here's an interesting conversation: what's the WORST return for AD you can imagine yourself being okay with?

For me, it's probably something like Beal, Ingram, #6, and a future first.

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You’re setting yourself up for disappointment

LOLLLLLL.

I swear after all the back and forth I've had to do for months defending not trading AD at the deadline even multiple times as recently as TODAY... For news to break that the Lakers are STILL basically all in minus Kuzma (so far)

AND the Celtics are still all in on getting AD.

This is the sweetest post I've made in months. I'm going to have fap material for weeks from this huge I TOLD YOU SO.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

You’re setting yourself up for disappointment

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Cool.

What's your answer?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Kuzma doesn't have all-star potential, imo.

2 1st rounders, sure, but I don't think Griff had two first rounders that don't convey until 4 drafts from now in mind.

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I think he does. I value him over Ingram. Then Beal is definitely and All-Star and would fit nicely next to Jrue Holiday.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

I think he does. I value him over Ingram. Then Beal is definitely and All-Star and would fit nicely next to Jrue Holiday.

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I value Kuzma over Ingram too. But that's because I feel Ingram has nearly zero value going into the last year of his deal with the blood clot issue.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

LOLLLLLL.

I swear after all the back and forth I've had to do for months defending not trading AD at the deadline even multiple times as recently as TODAY... For news to break that the Lakers are STILL basically all in minus Kuzma (so far)

AND the Celtics are still all in on getting AD.

This is the sweetest post I've made in months. I'm going to have fap material for weeks from this huge I TOLD YOU SO.

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I know, right?

We SAID back in February that waiting was the best option. We said that any LA trade would still be available come June/July time. We said that Boston was still interested according to every piece of available info.

And now it's June, and what's happened? We were right. Lakers are still throwing assets at us, Boston are still ''aggressively pursuing'' AD, and Griff still has all the leverage.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

I think he does. I value him over Ingram. Then Beal is definitely and All-Star and would fit nicely next to Jrue Holiday.

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I value Kuzma over Ingram, but that's not because I think Kuzma has all-star potential. It's cause I really don't like Ingram.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I know, right?

We SAID back in February that waiting was the best option. We said that any LA trade would still be available come June/July time. We said that Boston was still interested according to every piece of available info.

And now it's June, and what's happened? We were right. Lakers are still throwing assets at us, Boston are still ''aggressively pursuing'' AD, and Griff still has all the leverage.

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100%. I remember who was fighting the good fight with me.

1 week out from the draft and Lakers are still desperate and Boston is still actively trying to get the deal done.

And people said KD's injury would WEAKEN AD's offers. LOL.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

A team full of draft picks and rookie contracts? No mentors in the locker room? Contracts coming due at the same time. Where does the leadership come from? How does Gentry and staff coach a team full of rookies and 1-3 year players?

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We can find veterans in free agency.

I will be lmao if the Lakers don't get AD and Bron demands a trade all because they are being cheap af cmon man stop trying to get over on us, Griffin is not going to budge he would rather risk losing AD than let rich paul rape us.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

100%. I remember who was fighting the good fight with me.

1 week out from the draft and Lakers are still desperate and Boston is still actively trying to get the deal done.

And people said KD's injury would WEAKEN AD's offers. LOL.

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What a world we live in.

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Originally Posted by Hoochican

Report: Lakers want to hold on to Kyle Kuzma in an Anthony Davis trade https://hoopshype.com/2019/06/12/rep...y-davis-trade/ via @hoopshype

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Man, didn't they offer Kuzma AND THEN SOME back in February? What changed here?

I'm hanging up.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

We can find veterans in free agency.

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Yes. But you don't want a team full of people all trying to learn the system. It will be hard enough intergrating Zion and whatever we get from AD. Jrue is a key piece is helping set an example for the rookies and already knowing the system to ease the transition. You don't get that with 10 brand new players on the team veterans or not.

Woj and others on the Lakers and Celtics offers. https://youtu.be/ml_aqbYm48k

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Man, didn't they offer Kuzma AND THEN SOME back in February? What changed here?

I'm hanging up.

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I don't think we really know what they offered.

They got insanely lucky in the lotto, too. Had we not got as lucky as we did their luck would have been a big story. That pick gained a lot of value.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yes. But you don't want a team full of people all trying to learn the system. It will be hard enough intergrating Zion and whatever we get from AD. Jrue is a key piece is helping set an example for the rookies and already knowing the system to ease the transition. You don't get that with 10 brand new players on the team veterans or not.

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Like I already said, no matter where AD goes, we will have upwards of 6 players on this roster next year under the age of 24.

Christian Wood, Zion Williamson, Kenrich Williams, Frank Jackson, Jahlil Okafor. All will be under 24.

If AD goes to NY, add Mitchell Robinson and RJ Barrett to that list. If he goes to Boston, add Tatum and Smart, and whoever we draft at #14. If he goes to LA, add Ingram, Culver, and possibly someone at #6 like Garland.

When you're dealing with 6, 7, 8 young guys on the team, you don't NEED to sell off assets to try and find more youth. You have youth. Good, smart, disciplined, level-headed vets are important. Jrue is one. Let him lead the way.

Yeah i would want kuzma too considering Ingrams blood clot issue.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Yes. But you don't want a team full of people all trying to learn the system. It will be hard enough intergrating Zion and whatever we get from AD. Jrue is a key piece is helping set an example for the rookies and already knowing the system to ease the transition. You don't get that with 10 brand new players on the team veterans or not.

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Who cares about the system. Is Gentry guaranteed to be here beyond next year? I want the next 3 years about player development.

Make the Knicks trade with the Suns as a third team. The Nets sign Kyrie, so we sign De’Angelo Russell. Bring back Elfrid Payton as well to back up Russell. Draft Naz Reid or the best power forward at 37 and Tacko Fall at 57.

C: Robinson, Okafor, Fall
PF: Zion, Reid, Wood
SF: RJ, Jackson, Knox
SG: Jrue, Moore, FJax
PG: Russell, Payton, Ntilikina

That would sure be a fun team to watch next season.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Make the Knicks trade with the Suns as a third team. The Nets sign Kyrie, so we sign De’Angelo Russell. Bring back Elfrid Payton as well to back up Russell. Draft Naz Reid or the best power forward at 37 and Tacko Fall at 57.

C: Robinson, Okafor, Fall
PF: Zion, Reid, Wood
SF: RJ, Jackson, Knox
SG: Jrue, Moore, FJax
PG: Russell, Payton, Ntilikina

That would sure be a fun team to watch next season.

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We don't have the cap space to sign D'Angelo Russell. He'll be commanding a max or close to it, we don't have even close to that money.

Let alone the money to sign him to a max and still sign extra rookies like Fall, Reid, and Barrett, AND bring back Payton.

Also, Naz Reid still sucks.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Who cares about the system. Is Gentry guaranteed to be here beyond next year? I want the next 3 years about player development.

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Gentry developing players. Imagine that!

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Originally Posted by Gant-

Woj and others on the Lakers and Celtics offers. https://youtu.be/ml_aqbYm48k

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Adding to this: Woj says Tatum is probably the best player New Orleans could get from anyone. He says the Lakers package is clear. But Boston is more fluid and would likely be either Tatum and not much else, or a wider package around Brown and draft picks.

(Of course there would have to be other players in either Boston trade to match salaries.)

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Originally Posted by Gant-

Adding to this: Woj says Tatum is probably the best player New Orleans could get from anyone. He says the Lakers package is clear. But Boston would likely be either Tatum and not much else, or a better package around Brown and draft picks.

(Of course there would have to be other players in either Boston trade to match salaries.)

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Just saying, and maybe this is unpopular

But I'd rather have Brown, Smart, and all the picks than anything LA can offer.

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Originally Posted by Coreyinthe504

Yeah i would want kuzma too considering Ingrams blood clot issue.

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I like Kuzma but where does he play here? he's a 4.

Small ball 5?

According to @WindhorstESPN, the next 24-48 hours could be “huge” regarding Anthony Davis trade talks.

— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) June 12, 2019

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Just saying, and maybe this is unpopular

But I'd rather have Brown, Smart, and all the picks than anything LA can offer.

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Tatum maybe. Brown no. Brown is on the Ball/Kuzma level, to me.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Tatum maybe. Brown no.

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Brown is a better prospect than Ingram, imo.

Better defender, better shooter.

edit: and no bloodclot issue.

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Originally Posted by ML127

I like Kuzma but where does he play here? he's a 4.

Small ball 5?

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His profile says SF.

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Originally Posted by ML127

I like Kuzma but where does he play here? he's a 4.

Small ball 5?

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sf a postion we never had

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

sf a postion we never had

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He's a defensive liability at the 3.

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Originally Posted by ML127

He's a defensive liability at the 3.

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he is an upgrade from what we have now (k williams)

I'm getting major deja vu from when we were trading Chris Paul. I just want this BS to end.

Brown has shown far more in the NBA than Kuzma, Ball, or Ingram. It's why I never thought getting Tatum AND Brown was extremely high odds. Maybe in a world where another team had Zion and he was on the table in a trade Boston would have to include both, but once we got Zion the two best players of any of the main teams involved in talks was Tatum and Brown.

The only reason his value isn't super crazy is because he only has 1 year left then will be getting PAID.

https://twitter.com/LakersLegacyPod/...39397384986624

lmao/...

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

he is an upgrade from what we have now (k williams)

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Defensively? No he's not.

Offensively, yeah he is, but only on-ball. He's a terrible catch and shoot guy (shot 9 of 28 on catch and shoot threes this year, which is 32%), and was only 50th percentile in transition offense.

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Originally Posted by PelicanNation

he is an upgrade from what we have now (k williams)

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*breaks glass bottle on the ground*

How dare you talk about Kenny Hustle that way.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Brown has shown far more in the NBA than Kuzma, Ball, or Ingram. It's why I never thought getting Tatum AND Brown was extremely high odds. Maybe in a world where another team had Zion and he was on the table in a trade Boston would have to include both, but once we got Zion the two best players of any of the main teams involved in talks was Tatum and Brown.

The only reason his value isn't super crazy is because he only has 1 year left then will be getting PAID.

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I wouldn't mind paying him though, because he's so young and has those skills (shooting, ball handling, defense) that are so valuable.

I'd obviously still prefer Tatum, but if the offers came down to Ingram, Ball, and #4 vs Brown, Smart, #14, #20, Memphis pick, then the answer is obvious even without Tatum involved.

If that's the case I take Tatum and little else. The Lakers guys are only interesting if you can flip them. Tatum, #14 (and hopefully but not required future Memphis pick) is fine by me. Quality > quantity.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Defensively? No he's not.

Offensively, yeah he is, but only on-ball. He's a terrible catch and shoot guy (shot 9 of 28 on catch and shoot threes this year, which is 32%), and was only 50th percentile in transition offense.

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I know but if i had to pick a starter out of the two i would have to go with Kuz.