So... Do we fire Griff now or later...
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08-02-2021, 08:37 PMTaker597
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08-02-2021, 08:37 PMtdcreator12 million to me is a backup. They bought their backup point guard. Wish it wasn’t for a 1st but oh well. If they get Dinwiddie too then I’m guessing Kira gets traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by hornetzplaya
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08-02-2021, 08:38 PMDarkhorse985
Great contract for Graham, but why did we have to send them a first? We get scraps for Ball, but ship out a 1st for a worse player ? That’s just bad negotiation. Why not 2 seconds ? I guess we need to sell those. We could possibly be giving like the 17th pick in the draft which is still very valuable.
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08-02-2021, 08:38 PMmsusousaphoneZo had a better FG% and 3pt% last season......averages more boards, assists, steals.....worse on D. We can say we did it to cut salary but there's no way to frame Graham being on Zo's level.Quote:
Originally Posted by PelicanNation
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08-02-2021, 08:38 PMButters
Go get Dinwiddie!!!
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08-02-2021, 08:39 PMImpose
Haha, jokes on Charlotte, we won't make the playoffs /wrists
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08-02-2021, 08:39 PMAs I See ItFour years...$47MMQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:40 PMPelicanidae
Yeah, very mixed bag of a deal. On the one year it's good value and cost for Graham, solid yearly price and I like him as a player in a vacuum. But giving a first is obviously not desirable and I'd have hoped for a top 20 protection instead of just lottery.
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08-02-2021, 08:41 PM13 - 3
With all the players ?linked? to the Pelicans the last week or so, it?s comical not one has signed with the team
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08-02-2021, 08:43 PMPelicanidaeExcept Devonte Graham, who was linked with the team and has also signed with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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08-02-2021, 08:43 PMramsters60go back to sleep, Glen West....Quote:
Originally Posted by 13 - 3
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08-02-2021, 08:43 PMkinglio21093LMAO Griff making Dell look like Pat Riley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:44 PMPelicanNationlast year was a bad year for devante he was banged up and Lamelo took his job..Ball was healthy and was obviously playing his best ball..look beyond stats sometimes sir..compare there careersQuote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
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08-02-2021, 08:44 PMRaisingTheBarExactly. Unless it’s one of those fake firsts that will turn into a couple of seconds due to the protection, we really pooped the bed with this one. Smells of desperateness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
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08-02-2021, 08:45 PMPelicanidae
That tends to happen when you have a career 3PAr of .640, including .713 last season, and a notable creation burden https://t.co/x1IY01ARMh
— Jackson Frank (@jackfrank_jjf) August 3, 2021
Basically this.
A lot of people pointing out Graham's low FG% which of course is bad, but you have to remember that his FG% is basically the same as his 3PT% because he takes - overwhelmingly - more 3s than any other type of shot. More than 70% of his shots are 3pt shots. That's why his FG% is about the same as his 3pt% - the Field Goals Attempted are almost all the exact same shots as the 3 Pointers Attempted. -
08-02-2021, 08:45 PMBert123
For a contract like that, we had to send a first so Charlotte would not match. This is basically half of what Lonzo got and we are getting basically the same production...
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08-02-2021, 08:46 PMTaker597
So... We potential won't have a pick at all next year. I'm sorry, but this is a fireable offense.
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08-02-2021, 08:46 PMBiasvasospasm
So dumb. Just match Lonzo if you’re going to do this.
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08-02-2021, 08:47 PMPelicanidae
On the plus side, Zion/Graham PnRs will be very fun to watch.
On the one hand, you have one dude who is definitely going to the paint and will shoot absurd percentages there.
On the other, you have someone who will not step foot inside the paint but will launch with even an inch of daylight and hit at a high clip.
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08-02-2021, 08:47 PMPelicanidaeFor nearly double the yearly money? Come on now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biasvasospasm
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08-02-2021, 08:49 PMkinglio21093So we gave up a 1st for Lonzo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:49 PMPelicanidae
Still, hoping there's another move in store.
Remember, Hart is still sitting there as an RFA. So something's going to happen with him, whether it's him getting retained, or just being allowed to walk, or being S&T'd himself.
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08-02-2021, 08:50 PMPelicanidae...no. We gave up a lottery protected first for someone who gives better on-ball creation than Lonzo and is a more prolific shooter for almost $10m a year less.Quote:
Originally Posted by kinglio21093
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08-02-2021, 08:50 PMSonOfNOLA
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08-02-2021, 08:51 PMhornetzplayaSome gone like the moves we make, some gone hate it. Ain't no sense in trying to convince. But we ain't done so I'm waiting to see what other moves we have lined up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:51 PMEman5805
Graham AND Dinwiddie?
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08-02-2021, 08:51 PMDarkhorse985
I’d take Graham and his contract over Ball and his contract all day, but giving up a very real 1st is a bad move.
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08-02-2021, 08:51 PMPelicanidaeGraham and S&T Hart for Buddy *taps temple*Quote:
Originally Posted by Eman5805
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08-02-2021, 08:51 PMRaisingTheBarYeah I think the Pels got good value. I’m just utterly flabbergasted that we gave up our own pick next year and not Lakers or Bucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:53 PMPelicanidaeYeah, that does suck. At least it's protected but still, I'd have preferred top 20 protection instead of just lottery.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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08-02-2021, 08:53 PMTaker597We already gave up the Laker pick to dump Bled and Adams and to get JVQuote:
Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar
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08-02-2021, 08:54 PMBert123Look man we don't make the playoffs we keep the pick, if they get the pick that means we made the playoffs. It's an overreaction for a pick that is either going to be ours or not that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
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08-02-2021, 08:55 PMPelicanNation
devonte + zion is going to be crazy
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08-02-2021, 08:56 PMPelicanidaeLike I said, those PnRs will be nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PelicanNation
Pick your poison: Zion in the paint or let one of the league's most prolific 3pt specialists launch. -
08-02-2021, 08:56 PMkinglio21093These moves are reminiscent of what Dell did. Graham is a fine player and all, but he's not worth a 1st. If I'm giving up a 1st, I want someone who's making a difference. Graham will most likely just be a replacement to Lonzo. Nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert123
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08-02-2021, 08:56 PMPelicanidae
Free agent G Norman Powell has agreed to a five-year, $90M deal to return to the Portland Trail Blazers, his agent Thaddeus Foucher of @Wasserman tells ESPN.
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 3, 2021
Oof that's a lot.
Dude, Dame has to be so mad. They are now committed to even more money and the only upgrade they made was Cody Zeller at C. -
08-02-2021, 08:56 PMBiasvasospasmJust a horrifying decision. It gets worse the longer you think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
As ridiculous as the Adams move from last year which I also hated. This front office deserves the hate they are going to get nationally. -
08-02-2021, 08:57 PMTaker597We are making the playoffs as a 7th seed at best. We need that pick. It's a very Dell Demps move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert123
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08-02-2021, 08:57 PMRUFshreve
Griff started off the off-season with such promise, that Memphis trade was pure gold. Today we blew it all. I'm done with him.
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08-02-2021, 08:57 PMAusPelDidn't you say he's terrible at getting to the rim or finishing there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:58 PMhornetzplayaThat's not going to end well for Portland. They're gonna break up their roster next year I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 08:58 PMPelicanidaeHe is terrible at getting to the rim, but unlike Lonzo he's not scared of driving anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
Why? Cause he's a much more prolific drawer of FTs than Lonzo and he shoots 84% from the stripe. -
08-02-2021, 09:00 PMAusPelWell that's encouragingQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 09:00 PMPelicanidae
Don't get me wrong, I'm not in love with the move. That FRP loss, only lottery protected instead of top 20, is galling. And I still think we need to make one more move, preferably S&T'ing Hart.
But I just think getting ready to throw the franchise in the bin at this point is a bit much :hihi: -
08-02-2021, 09:02 PMPelicanidaeLonzo Ball last year (his best career year as a driver in percentage but lowest in volume): Free Throw Rate of 9.1%. Has shot 259 total FTs in his entire career.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
Graham, also last year: Free throw rate of 23.6% - shot 158 FTs that season. Graham took 233 FTs in 2019-20 alone, almost as many as Lonzo's entire 4 year rookie contract.
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08-02-2021, 09:03 PMAusPel
Griffin just loves being fleeced when teams are trying to give guys away
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08-02-2021, 09:03 PMSavvy_Bird
You guys are comparing Ball and Graham like we gave one up to get the other. But If my numbers are right we could have kept ball, kept hart, and still signed graham with the remaining cap space.
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08-02-2021, 09:03 PMTaker597I would call this a good trade if the pick was top 20 protected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 09:04 PMPelicanidaeBall did not want to be here. Unless you wanted to pay $21m+ per year for someone who wanted to leave, you could not have done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savvy_Bird
Haven't the Pelicans done enough matching contracts for guys who don't want to be here for one franchise? -
08-02-2021, 09:05 PMDaFranchise80Sign me up for THIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae