AD trade scenarios...

I’m not convinced that if Kyrie leaves Rozier won’t be back in Boston, and quite honestly Rozier (in that system) > Irving.

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Woj reported last night that Ainge basically has a backup deal in place for Conley if Kyrie bolts.

Ainge is clearly not on board with the wait and develop the young guys approach you seem to think.

He did this before with his Big three and at a minimum seems open and actively gaming out taking that risk now.

Conley/Smart or Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford plus FA role players can get you to the finals, and that is probably what Ainge is thinking. If Kyrie stays, great, upgrading Conley to Kyrie probably makes you favorites.

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1st Horford has a player option so he may not be there. Next how does he get Conley and still have assets for Davis?

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This interview was done in March it’s just now being put in this package and out out there by SI this isn’t a new interview people need to relax


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The premise is still the same. Whether it's was said in March or 20 seconds ago. The mins we will not re-sign in Boston becomes public it changes things.

If Rich Paul really is Puffy, is Griffin Suge Knight?

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The interview was from March.

Really goes to show how people will use the info they have to fit the narratives they want.

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The timing of the interview is less important as the information in the interview.

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Woj reported last night that Ainge basically has a backup deal in place for Conley if Kyrie bolts.

Ainge is clearly not on board with the wait and develop the young guys approach you seem to think.

He did this before with his Big three and at a minimum seems open and actively gaming out taking that risk now.

Conley/Smart or Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford plus FA role players can get you to the finals, and that is probably what Ainge is thinking. If Kyrie stays, great, upgrading Conley to Kyrie probably makes you favorites.

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3 team deal

Boston: AD, Conley, E. Moore

Memphis: Hayward, Yabusele, pick #20

New Orleans: Tatum, Smart, Williams, pick #14, Memphis 2020 1st

Do it!

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The premise is still the same. Whether it's was said in March or 20 seconds ago. The mins we will not re-sign in Boston becomes public it changes things.

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Guess you don’t remember AD dad saying they weren’t signing in Boston back when all this started it’s always been out there your falling into the the trap they( LA media ) trying to put out there don’t read to much into it .


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If the Lakers are still offering everything, as has been reported, and Griff wants a 3rd team to be involved that thus far has not given in to whatever it is that the Lakers/Pelicans want them to give up as part of a 3 team trade, what leverage can the Pelicans exert over that 3rd team, and what more do the Lakers have to sweeten the pot? What's more than the "EVERYTHING" they're already supposedly offering?

I can't wait until the stories about what actually happened come out after this deal is done. A lot of this doesn't make sense. Has to be about taking on extra salary that would keep Lakers from being free agent player, IMO.

If the Wizards are the 3rd team, that would actually make this understandable. They don't have a GM and might be trying to dump Wall on the Lakers as part of this deal. If I'm the Wizards and you know the Lakers want to flip Beal to the Pelicans to secure AD - insisting they take Wall is exactly what I'd be trying to do. Might be the only chance they'll have to dump him. And I'd understand why the Lakers would resist.

But...

Wall/Davis to Lakers
Beal/Ingram/9/LAL 2021 to Pels
Kuz/Ball/Hart/4 to Wiz

IMO the Wiz/Pels jump at that deal. Not sure about Lakers.

BUT...

Tell me, who is Wall's agent again.... ?

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The timing of the interview is less important as the information in the interview.

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I think the timing puts even more weight in the corner that this is the exact same narrative....continued from Feb and into March.

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Guess you don’t remember AD dad saying they weren’t signing in Boston back when all this started it’s always been out there your falling into the the trap they( LA media ) trying to put out there don’t read to much into it .


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I thought that was taken back shortly after?

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1st Horford has a player option so he may not be there. Next how does he get Conley and still have assets for Davis?

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Conley is not going to fetch a kings ransom. A random first and matching salaries will probably do it.

I also don't see Horford getting a major deal at 33 elsewhere. And he has already indicated a desire to sign a smaller, long-term deal to stay with Boston or just opting in. Plus Ainge isn't going to be leaking to Woj if he isn't confident he can't meet the expectation he's setting. It's hard to imagine he doesn't have a path to Conley if this is getting out.

Ainge doesn't seem dissuaded at this point, the Knicks have already offered what can only be deduced as a serious haul since some in the organization are letting it be known they fear another Carmello situation brewing(giving up all their assets to land one big superstar). The Lakers by all reports are not on any major FA's short list. Which pressures LA to do whatever it takes to appease Lebron. As going into 35-year-old Lebron's next season with more one-year guys and people he has demoralized will throw gas on that dumpster fire. And those are just the most public goings-on that we are aware of.

The SI report simply reiterates what was already known months ago, AD, as it stands, will test FA if he is shipped to basically any team not NY and LA, and even then still might.

The newest question is that in lieu of KD's injury, in lieu of that flattening of the competitive balance of the league, in lieu of Toronto on the cusp of winning a championship after the bold risk of trading for Kawhi who wanted to go to the Clippers, what GM's may now feel emboldened that they are an AD away from pulling a Toronto? Or not even an AD, but a difference-maker that they would be willing to throw in longer-term assets for short that the Pels can have incorporated into a multi-team trade?

I take an objective look at this from a wider vantage and I don't see the doom and gloom you assert. I see a team with a lot of leverage given the power player's typically yield and solid offers already on the table that only look to have improved in the last week.

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Bingo. Davis stance has not changed. LA or NY

I don't know why people keep ignoring what Tobias Harris and Porzingis both got at the deadline.

KP had an ACL injury, as a big, and got DSJ, filler, and Two Dallas 1st all while having 6 months left on his contract and not being able to play oh and also while in legal trouble.

Harris got 2 1st round picks and filler for 3 months of games.

AD has an entire year year left on his deal. It's absolutely crazy to think we would be getting a good bit better package than KP.

Shams is reporting that Kyrie is Opting out

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/st...682939393?s=20

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Shams is reporting that Kyrie is Opting out

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/st...682939393?s=20

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I think that was expected, even if he stays with Boston.

Kyrie had to opt out for the Celtics to even trade for AD.

Of course he would be the one breaking that news. Lol

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I don't know why people keep ignoring what Tobias Harris and Porzingis both got at the deadline.

KP had an ACL injury, as a big, and got DSJ, filler, and Two Dallas 1st all while having 6 months left on his contract and not being able to play oh and also while in legal trouble.

Harris got 2 1st round picks and filler for 3 months of games.

AD has an entire year year left on his deal. It's absolutely crazy to think we would be getting a good bit better package than KP.

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Both Philly and Dallas are the front runners to keep those players. That's why Kawhi and PG13 are better comps for Davis in terms of Boston.

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I don't know why people keep ignoring what Tobias Harris and Porzingis both got at the deadline.

KP had an ACL injury, as a big, and got DSJ, filler, and Two Dallas 1st all while having 6 months left on his contract and not being able to play oh and also while in legal trouble.

Harris got 2 1st round picks and filler for 3 months of games.

AD has an entire year year left on his deal. It's absolutely crazy to think we would be getting a good bit better package than KP.

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THIS!! If I'm Griff, AD never gets traded to LA or ANYONE in the west until next trade deadline or sooner should they find a way to reach my asking price/value. Even then if someone in east is close, they win.
Meanwhile, take the trade off the market and play him 40 plus mins. until then. Fine his butt should he not play hard. If he gets injuried, SO WHAT? Then you have another yr to play this game. NO WAY does what Rich Paul say make any difference to me. ONLY THE EAST for now.

Nah. My mind is on the future.

I would love for AD to not get his way but the Zion era will be amazing and we shouldn't begin it with AD on the team. That's hurting us to hurt him.

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Nah. My mind is on the future.

I would love for AD to not get his way but the Zion era will be amazing and we shouldn't begin it with AD on the team. That's hurting us to hurt him.

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The Knicks are definitely out and will not offer the farm now that KD is badly hurt. There's no confidence that they can put a star next to AD anymore. If he walks, the front office is fired on the spot. This is a one-horse race. LA is going to win with much less than their previous offer. There may be a darkhorse team that comes in with late 1sts and a guy like McCollum if LA tries to lowball too much.

Ask why the Rich Paul push this so hard. It is a desperate attempt to get AD to LA NOW.

The Lakers need AD traded to LA, or they run the real risk of not obtaining Davis regardless how badly Davis wants to play there.

If they try to keep the space for AD, the Lakers would waste another year of an aging Lebron AND look bad doing it. The Lakers also lose the ability to add a third max if they sign AD outright. They will also be forced to lose Ingram for nothing if they #Wait4AD; no team is gonna trade for a RFA when the original team cannot afford to match the likely max thrown his way.

If they don't save the space for AD and sign a max player, no amount of desire AD has for the lakers will convince him to sign for less than his market value. When you stack a theoretical contract like that vs the one he could get in Nola, the loss is now reaching $100+ mill. Since this current move is so much about money, it stands to reason he wont take that much of a loss when he can go to other large markets to make comparable revenue with his max contract.

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Nah. My mind is on the future.

I would love for AD to not get his way but the Zion era will be amazing and we shouldn't begin it with AD on the team. That's hurting us to hurt him.

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How is that hurting us?

Zion is fresh. Griffin is fresh. Gayle is still fresh.

This is a hot new team with a lot of promise. The casual fan will be invigorated. The media will be hype. Zion is a much better personality to have than AD. He will have notoriety and give us popularity.

But look at today. Zion is visiting NOLA for the first time and most people don't even know it. All of the talk is AD. And it is toxic to the franchise and its fan base.

I don't want AD tainting the beginning of the Zion era just for the purpose of hurting AD. I could stomach it for better assets but that won't be the case.

A little perspective for once.

Charles Barkley said this a couple months ago about Anthony Davis and Rich Paul (it still holds): "Remember your agent works for you. You don't work for him. They handled that situation wrong. Anybody that works for me ... they better do whatever I f---ing say or they're fired."

— Sean Deveney (@SeanDeveney) June 12, 2019

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A little perspective for once.

Charles Barkley said this a couple months ago about Anthony Davis and Rich Paul (it still holds): "Remember your agent works for you. You don't work for him. They handled that situation wrong. Anybody that works for me ... they better do whatever I f---ing say or they're fired."

— Sean Deveney (@SeanDeveney) June 12, 2019

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Rich Paul is doing what AD wants. Has AD been influenced as to what he thinks he wants? Possibly.

This is old but interesting. I'm obsessed today with whether or not John Wall is the key to the AD deal.

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Source No. 1, a current NBA agent, surprised me by saying the story was true. The source said it’s something Rich Paul — agent to LeBron James and, as of January 2016, John Wall — was orchestrating. But, according to this source, the Wizards were saying no.

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https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/...ngton-wizards/

If the Wizards are going to trade Bradley Beal, they have to dump John Wall at the same time and kick start a rebuild. It's negligent of whoever is running that franchise to even consider trading Beal if Wall isn't a part of the deal.

Rich knows better than anyone if Wall is going to put the effort in to be a productive player when he's healthy, but that contract is a huge liability for the next 4 years no matter what.

I could definitely see the Lakers resisting having not only that contract, but three Klutch clients on the roster - 4 if KCP remains on the team.

I also have to wonder if Washington would view moving up 5 spots in the draft, plus getting Ball/Kuzma/Hart sufficient for trading Beal, even factoring in the cost of dumping Wall. The cost to move up is generally a 1st the following year. And you'd have to think Ball is worth a 1st. The cost for Nets to dump Crabbe was essentially a 1st - and at this point moving the Wall contract would cost at least that.

So that's a net +3 first round picks and two useful players for Beal. I think the Wiz do it. But all those Klutch clients would give me heartburn if I'm Lakers.

Look at this trade. People are losing it

Why on earth would New Orleans trade Jrue Holiday in this scenario? https://t.co/uisEBFS3AS

— Tony Jones (@Tjonesonthenba) June 12, 2019

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Shams is reporting that Kyrie is Opting out

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/st...682939393?s=20

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He was always opting out.

this Anthony Davis ******** is way more simple than yal making it.

He's really good. He has power. He doesn't want to play/live in certain cities. That's the kinda privilege you earn when you're really good at what you do.

— Boogie Bousins (@bansky) June 12, 2019

The LA media seems to be oblivious to whatever leverage Rich Paul thinks was gained in that SI interview......I just saw them throw out:

PELS: Zach LaVine, Ingram, 4th pick

LAKERS: AD

BULLS: Kuzma, Hart, Wagner, Bonga, and future 1st

The New York media has yet to get the news from last page that apparently the Knicks dropped out (sarcasm). I saw them posting an idea for the dream package we've been wanting of:

Knicks: AD

PELS: 3rd pick, Robinson, DSJ, Knox, 2021 1st, and 2023 1st.

some info from what is supposed to be a legit reddit poster >

Lakers and Pelicans trade facing a roadblock. Majority of framework has been agreed on. Looking for a third team.

Hey guys,

As of 10pm yesterday, Lakers and pelicans have agreed on majority of the trade. What I was told is that Lakers have official told pelicans what they are putting on the table, and the pelicans have agreed to it

The problem has been the third team, during the initial stages it was between Chicago and Phoenix. However both teams have fallen off, two new emerging team have came out, the wizards and the hawks.

There is a high sense of optimism that the trade will get done.

Link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...g_a_roadblock/

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The LA media seems to be oblivious to whatever leverage Rich Paul thinks was gained in that SI interview......I just saw them throw out:

The New York media has yet to get the news from last page that apparently the Knicks dropped out (sarcasm). I saw them posting an idea for the dream package we've been wanting of:

Knicks: AD

PELS: 3rd pick, Robinson, DSJ, Knox, 2021 1st, and 2023 1st.

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That's not so much a dream package, as all they have. I think if that would get the deal done, it would be done.

Danny Ainge likely to pitch Kyrie Irving on 5 year max contract with trade request option https://t.co/mDc4yuHem9 pic.twitter.com/TvnBUhbBXG

— CelticsLife.com (@celticslife) June 12, 2019

Will Ainge call Rich Paul's bluff? https://t.co/fJwQUj59Ef pic.twitter.com/4Qk4YyOIyZ

— CelticsLife.com (@celticslife) June 12, 2019

Funny they refer to it as a 'bluff'. I'm less of a betting man than them.

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this Anthony Davis ******** is way more simple than yal making it.

He's really good. He has power. He doesn't want to play/live in certain cities. That's the kinda privilege you earn when you're really good at what you do.

— Boogie Bousins (@bansky) June 12, 2019

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Really comes down to AD wanting that LA lifestyle.

So quick thoughts on the Rich Paul SI article.

I think people are reading too much into what this means with current negotiations. This interview was from March. It says that in the first sentence.

— Jake Madison (@NOLAJake) June 12, 2019

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Tell me, who is Wall's agent again.... ?

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Rename them the Los Angeles Klutches and let the Timberwolves take the Minneapolis Lakers name back.

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some info from what is supposed to be a legit reddit poster >

Lakers and Pelicans trade facing a roadblock. Majority of framework has been agreed on. Looking for a third team.

Hey guys,

As of 10pm yesterday, Lakers and pelicans have agreed on majority of the trade. What I was told is that Lakers have official told pelicans what they are putting on the table, and the pelicans have agreed to it

The problem has been the third team, during the initial stages it was between Chicago and Phoenix. However both teams have fallen off, two new emerging team have came out, the wizards and the hawks.

There is a high sense of optimism that the trade will get done.

Link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comm...g_a_roadblock/

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Some seem to think it would be Ingram/Lonzo/8/10 coming back to Pels w/ 4 going to Hawks.

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Some seem to think it would be Ingram/Lonzo/8/10 coming back to Pels w/ 4 going to Hawks.

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Why would we do that?


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Some seem to think it would be Ingram/Lonzo/8/10 coming back to Pels w/ 4 going to Hawks.

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Why would they get Atlanta involved for that? Would seem way too easy to have gotten that done if that is all it was.

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this Anthony Davis ******** is way more simple than yal making it.

He's really good. He has power. He doesn't want to play/live in certain cities. That's the kinda privilege you earn when you're really good at what you do.

— Boogie Bousins (@bansky) June 12, 2019

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If that's the case then the NBA needs to contract about half it's teams.

I'm firmly in the anyone but L.A. camp now. F him. I honestly don't care if we get less elsewhere. Good riddance and the sooner he's gone the better.

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Why would we do that?


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Why would they get Atlanta involved for that? Would seem way too easy to have gotten that done if that is all it was.

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Don't shoot the messenger. I just clicked the link and went through Lakers reddit.

But absent knowing what the other offers were, my guess is we'd do that if that's the best offer.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Some seem to think it would be Ingram/Lonzo/8/10 coming back to Pels w/ 4 going to Hawks.

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All he posted was:

"Hey guys,
As of 10pm yesterday, Lakers and pelicans have agreed on majority of the trade. What I was told is that Lakers have official told pelicans what they are putting on the table, and the pelicans have agreed to it
The problem has been the third team, during the initial stages it was between Chicago and Phoenix. However both teams have fallen off, two new emerging team have came out, the wizards and the hawks.
There is a high sense of optimism that the trade will get done."


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"They’ve agreed on the framework, but it’s not complete yet. Basically pelicans told lakers to find a third team that will be giving up valuable asset for one of our young players.
I heard hawks are interested in our fourth pick, so in a three way trade our pick might be going there"


And then it's just a bunch of random Laker fans spewing random speculations out there. Nothing specific at all. I really can't see us trading for Lonzo, and I imagine part of the reason for getting other teams involved is to flip Lonzo.

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Don't shoot the messenger. I just clicked the link and went through Lakers reddit.

But absent knowing what the other offers were, my guess is we'd do that if that's the best offer.

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I agree we will take the best offer, but my question would be why would there be such a push for a 3rd team if that was all that was needed.

Many on the reddit thread are saying he's very reliable. So...maybe!

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I agree we will take the best offer, but my question would be why would there be such a push for a 3rd team if that was all that was needed.

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If we see prospects 4 through 10 as equal....so like....everyone after Zion, Ja, and RJ.....we think everyone else is very close in talent and we're just looking to stockpile talent with Zion.

Not a fan of the trade or saying all of those guys are equal, just playing Devil's Advocate.

Well, the SI article did exactly what Rich Paul intended for it to do.

Send a lot of people into a tailspin panic despite containing literally zero new information, trying to push for leverage in a situation that's already well understood by everyone.

Well played.