AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

I for one am looking forward to this trade being done so we can move on to our new future. Lets gooooo!

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I’m looking forward to the trade too. Funny ting is Zion is in town this week and no one is EVEN DISCUSSING IT!

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

I’m looking forward to the trade too. Funny ting is Zion is in town this week and no one is EVEN DISCUSSING IT!

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What is there to discuss?

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Again repeating, Celtics officially put on notice

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Just do the deal with LA and get it over with now.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

You sit here and say LAL, NYK, and Celtics (along with ourselves) we're logically our only chances at getting Zion. Great, what teams were in the top 4 of the draft? LAL, NYK, and US.

You can't sit here and say there was only a 6% chance of getting Zion when one of our main reasons for not moving AD was to not only improve our draft odds but also improve the odds of those teams willing to trade with us. Reality is we ended up in a situation where 3 of the 4 teams with a chance to get Zion were either us or teams that we are in discussions with about AD.

You also can't say we have less suitors now. At worst we have the same number of suitors. AD had the same list as he did before the trade deadline. It's been LA or NY this entire time. Nothing has changed on that front and rushing to trade him at the deadline to... LA or NY would have done nothing but make their picks we get worse. We are now in a situation where both of those teams have top 4 picks in the draft along with us.

It's just absolutely crazy people are STILL defending their position that we should have traded AD at the deadline when we know the entirr outcome of what actually happened.

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Sometimes I really wonder about this board. Davis has come out and reduced the list from 4 to 2. That lessen or "legitimate" suitors.

Also we were hoping if Lakers, Knicks or Celtics won they would trade Zion. There's a chance they keep what many consider the best prospect since Lebron. Again there were no guarantees. If we traded Davis to the Knicks again which was the only team that made sense given Davis' list, and team with assets they were willing to trade. We didn't have to worry about them changing their minds if indeed they won. If we would have shipped Holiday off to the Suns we could be looking at a situation where we had the top 3 odds at Zion.

Now we really only have two teams (unless Ainge makes a totally illogical decision)and really we don't know how the KD injury impacts the Knicks future plans.

Gotta give Rich Paul some credit . He spoke at the right time. No team unless it’s the Knicks or Lakers will fry there assets.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Again repeating, Celtics officially put on notice

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— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

In @bySLPrice piece, Rich Paul is definitive on AD/Celtics trade talks. pic.twitter.com/TVjuHPZyZy

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

Just do the deal with LA and get it over with now.

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I don't get how Ainge would be foolish enough to trade Tatum. The going rate for gambling on disgruntled star that wants another team is what the Spurs and Pacers got for Leonard and George. Of course I have no idea what Ainge is thinking but that seems to be the market for a gamble. I think it's fair to say Davis is somewhere between Leonard and George.

Da throne you brought up some excellent points. You are right!Why would Boston take the gamble if they know they will lose? I think if the Lakers throw in the 4th pick Davis gets his wish.

1 year ago AD was happy being a Pelican. 4 months ago he would be happy anywhere but here. Then he would be happy at only 4 places. Now he is happy for only two places. At his rate of changing his mind a team may feel safe that he might change it again given a whole year. If the Lakers don'r get him and stay so dysfunctional he may even question why his agent tried to get him there and if he should stay with that agent. At the end the only clear motivation is wanting to build his brand and be more famous. Anyone who is in a sizable media market probably things they have a good chance of keeping him. Anyone stuck in the borderline playoff range might look at a one year rental as a chance for brief relevancy or just a step to blowing things up to get off the mediocrity carousel. You also only need one team, one GM. We do not need all of them , a majority or even a handful. As long as at least two teams are in then we have the start of a bidding war.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Da throne you brought up some excellent points. You are right!Why would Boston take the gamble if they know they will lose? I think if the Lakers throw in the 4th pick Davis gets his wish.

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People point to OKC and Toronto taking a risk with George and Leonard. The assets those teams gave up had less value at the time than what the Lakers are offering today. A trade from Boston comparable to what Raptors gave up would be Hayward/Williams/22nd pick. That's it. Teams that take risk on rentals aren't going to offer more than what the Lakers are offering.

If Ainge thinks he has a shot at Kyrie now, because of the KD injury, the deal I could see him being comfortable with is all the picks, Hayward, Brown, and Williams for Solo/AD. If Pelicans believe Ingram's blood clot issue is solved (it's different from Bosh's), that trade may not be good enough to top a Lakers offer of Hart, Lonzo, Ingram, 4, and a future pick.

Not so sure I agree but I guess we will know soon enough...

This @SInow article (Rich Paul’s scare tactics) proves to me the #Celtics are still the leader in the club house for Anthony Davis. pic.twitter.com/xcSvTHHW7Z

— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) June 12, 2019

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Again repeating, Celtics officially put on notice

The cover of this week’s SI: NBA agent Rich Paul. Story by ⁦@bySLPrice⁩. pic.twitter.com/LliiNdQKxU

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

In @bySLPrice piece, Rich Paul is definitive on AD/Celtics trade talks. pic.twitter.com/TVjuHPZyZy

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

Just do the deal with LA and get it over with now.

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They really trying to sabotage this trade and run the Celtics off because they know. They can outbid the Lakers. If you get them to pull from table. It's exclusively AD's top 2 landing spot.

The two worst teams of the last 6 years. Cute.

Absolutely no extra leverage was gained by that....because it's old news. Klutch has already stated this. It's just wrapped in a pretty SI package, this time. If Boston is withholding assets, they were already doing it, it won't be because of this article. The Celtics were always going to have to convince AD to stay just like OKC and possibly Toronto did. Nothing has changed. It's just been made more public and with prettier colors.

And I agree with Fletch's logic, this type of move makes AD look like a punk. It did a few months ago, as well. He turned into the villain when he made this play. They only go this route as a last resort.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

If Ainge thinks he has a shot at Kyrie now, because of the KD injury, the deal I could see him being comfortable with is all the picks, Hayward, Brown, and Williams for Solo/AD. If Pelicans believe Ingram's blood clot issue is solved (it's different from Bosh's), that trade may not be good enough to top a Lakers offer of Hart, Lonzo, Ingram, 4, and a future pick.

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If all we get is a top 6 protected pick next year, 14 pick this year Hayward and Brown that's an L for us. I'd rather pick 4 and gamble on Ingram's health.

Can't wait till Lebron retires and we never hear from this dude again.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Absolutely no extra leverage was gained by that....because it's old news. Klutch has already stated this. It's just wrapped in a pretty SI package, this time. If Boston is withholding assets, they were already doing it, it won't be because of this article. The Celtics were always going to have to convince AD to stay just like OKC and possibly Toronto did. Nothing has changed. It's just been made more public and with prettier colors.

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It does change things how much remains to be seen, but publicly warning Ainge has to impact his decision making to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Coreyinthe504

Can't wait till Lebron retires and we never hear from this dude again.

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I don't understand the hate. I'm not mad at anyone but our decision makers. They should see these power play coming. We had a chance to trade Davis before it came to this. It would have avoided risk of people changing their minds or getting injured. The longer you wait the more time for things to go wrong. Now we legitimately may be forced to trade him to the Lakers just to get solid value.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It does change things how much remains to be seen, but publicly warning Ainge has to impact his decision making to some degree.

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Why does time #21 change things that the other 20 already didn't?

This is the same message they've been pushing for months and you can bet they've been telling Ainge this behind closed doors the entire time. The only difference here is pictures and color frame.

You even said it yourself. It's a play. Not a power move. If Boston isn't willing to send Tatum, they were already at that mindset.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Why does time #21 change things that the other 20 already didn't?

This is the same message they've been pushing for months and you can bet they've been telling Ainge this behind closed doors the entire time. The only difference here is pictures and color frame.

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The tone is far more direct. Leaving Boston off the list is different than saying no Boston. Toronto wasn't on Kawhi's list nor OKC on George's list. Neither player came out and said if said team trades for me it's a one year rental as direct as that quote from Rich Paul. So while I agree this has been out for awhile and I don't know how much it moves the needle I'd imagine if you're Ainge getting it this direct publicly has to give him some greater sense of pause.

This is the first time they've been this stern and direct since the last time they were exactly this stern and direct right before the trade deadline.

I do agree with you that the message may make Boston withhold assets....but it is the exact same message and tone. This is what made the public sympathize with us a few months back. If Boston is withholding, they always have been.

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Originally Posted by Coreyinthe504

Can't wait till Lebron retires and we never hear from this dude again.

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Not happening. He has his own entertainment company.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Again repeating, Celtics officially put on notice

The cover of this week’s SI: NBA agent Rich Paul. Story by ⁦@bySLPrice⁩. pic.twitter.com/LliiNdQKxU

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

In @bySLPrice piece, Rich Paul is definitive on AD/Celtics trade talks. pic.twitter.com/TVjuHPZyZy

— Chris Mannix (@SIChrisMannix) June 12, 2019

Just do the deal with LA and get it over with now.

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This guy makes me sick.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I don't understand the hate. I'm not mad at anyone but our decision makers. They should see these power play coming. We had a chance to trade Davis before it came to this. It would have avoided risk of people changing their minds or getting injured. The longer you wait the more time for things to go wrong. Now we legitimately may be forced to trade him to the Lakers just to get solid value.

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Yeah if I’m Griff I pull the trigger now. This is getting ridiculous with the threats. The Lakers deal is not that bad.

If LA is such a destination place, and if Lebron is such a great player, then why don’t other star players want to go to LA ago play with Lebron?

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AD could wear a Lakers jersey at a presser stating that he’ll only be a Laker while getting a lakers tattoo and some around here will say AD will re-sign with the C’s. I don’t know about you guys/gals but if I want something, nothing can change my mind. I don’t know how there is a narrative that he’ll be happy once he gets there after the man has said several times that he doesn’t want to go . What should have happened was the 2 parties should have worked behind the scenes to get AD where he wanted to go. The pissing contest is something Griff can’t win. AD holds the cards whether you believe it or not. Trade him where he doesn’t want to be, he’ll simply not show up. It’s been done before by lesser players.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

If LA is such a destination place, and if Lebron is such a great player, then why don’t other star players want to go to LA ago play with Lebron?

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He’s the best player of this era. Everyone wants to beat him not join him

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

This is the first time they've been this stern and direct since the last time they were exactly this stern and direct right before the trade deadline.

I do agree with you that the message may make Boston withhold assets....but it is the exact same message and tone. This is what made the public sympathize with us a few months back. If Boston is withholding, they always have been.

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We disagree in one area. That Paul and Davis has been publicly this stern with Ainge. While we can assume they have been stern privately again we don't know. There's a big difference in term of saving face if you are Ainge. Rich Paul has been telling Ainge privately Davis will not re-sign Danny could pretend like he was getting early signs that Davis could be convinced. Again similar to what we saw with Paul George or what we are seeing now with Kawhi Leonard. However when that direct tone is made public Ainge loses that protection. Now you, me or anyone who cares about the situation knows he's already been warned. That kind of transparency more than likely would cost Danny his job if/when Davis bolts.

True. It's all speculation. Ainge has been at this a long time. Dae has chronicled his passion for AD. UNO just posted his past success in a very similar situation. But it is all a guess on our part.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

He’s WAS the best player of this LAST era. Everyone wants to beat him not join him

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No one has said AD will sign in Boston long term....just that Boston might not be swayed. But I like the idea of AD going to LA....pairing up long term with an aging James and being tied to that anchor as he sinks into the realms of mediocrity.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Yeah if I’m Griff I pull the trigger now. This is getting ridiculous with the threats. The Lakers deal is not that bad.

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Well nothing will be finalized until draft night. But he needs to have the deal in place ASAP. To me what's best for our future was a Knicks trade at the deadline and still right now. I have no idea why Griffin is allegedly pushing for an all-star player back. The real value will be in draft picks and rookie contract that can end up being the next Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, James Harden, Paul George, etc.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

He’s the best player of this era. Everyone wants to beat him not join him

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Lol, in this NBA culture? People want to join super teams, not try to beat them. See: Durant, Kevin.

No one wants to go to LA, because they know LeBron is about his own self interest, and he's turning 35 in December while coming off the worst injury of his career. Not to mention the culture in the Lakers front office is incredibly toxic. I mean look at how Magic left. It's been a total disaster. If anything the Clippers are a more desirable location. They have a good owner, still play in a big market, and less drama.

I'm inclined to think that LeBron and Klutch is complicit with the media. The sports media ALL want the Lakers to be at the top again, and LeBron has done everything he can in his career. Now he has to think about life after basketball. No one and their mothers would want to play on the Lakers, unless there was a reason to join the Lakers. Something to think about.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

He’s the best player of this era. Everyone wants to beat him not join him

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The narrative was “players will want to team with Lebron” until they found out nobody wants to sign with a team he is on. Now nobody will go there unless they are represented by Klutch, or they are traded there. In short, nobody is going to LA on their own accord.

I think something we are over looking here is that Ainge and the Celtics are very likely going to lose Irving. So Danny is seeing 1st hand how difficult it is to keep these guys in place. Ainge's only saving grace is that he didn't trade significant value(because the Cavs are run by idiots) so losing Kyrie won't cost them much. Now we are expecting him to turn around and trade the farm for Davis. Irving was actually excited about going to Boston and now it's expected that he's leaving. What you think happens to a guy that doesn't want to be there?

I feel bad for having trashed Demps so much when it is now coming out that Rich Paul revealed the Lakers plans, but Demps was blamed for airing all of it. Demps turned into Klutch’s whipping boy, I want to see Klutch bleed.

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Lol, in this NBA culture? People want to join super teams, not try to beat them. See: Durant, Kevin.

No one wants to go to LA, because they know LeBron is about his own self interest, and he's turning 35 in December while coming off the worst injury of his career. Not to mention the culture in the Lakers front office is incredibly toxic. I mean look at how Magic left. It's been a total disaster. If anything the Clippers are a more desirable location. They have a good owner, still play in a big market, and less drama.

I'm inclined to think that LeBron and Klutch is complicit with the media. The sports media ALL want the Lakers to be at the top again, and LeBron has done everything he can in his career. Now he has to think about life after basketball. No one and their mothers would want to play on the Lakers, unless there was a reason to join the Lakers. Something to think about.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

The narrative was “players will want to team with Lebron” until they found out nobody wants to sign with a team he is on. Now nobody will go there unless they are represented by Klutch, or they are traded there. In short, nobody is going to LA on their own accord.

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This is just one of those rare situations where the leading FA's all want to be alphas. Leonard wants to be the man just because that is who he is. Durant wants to be the man because he just experienced the highest levels of success, and the basketball world has questioned his impact. Lastly Irving has already been James' Robin and left for the sole purpose of having his "own" team.

Those are the top 3 guys. The very next tier guys will gladly go to LA to play with James.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I feel bad for having trashed Demps so much when it is now coming out that Rich Paul revealed the Lakers plans, but Demps was blamed for airing all of it. Demps turned into Klutch’s whipping boy, I want to see Klutch bleed.

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Why? Demps (as well as every competent GM) should understand the power the players have. If your star player says he wants to be traded then you trade him. The more private you can keep the trade request the better.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

The tone is far more direct. Leaving Boston off the list is different than saying no Boston. Toronto wasn't on Kawhi's list nor OKC on George's list. Neither player came out and said if said team trades for me it's a one year rental as direct as that quote from Rich Paul. So while I agree this has been out for awhile and I don't know how much it moves the needle I'd imagine if you're Ainge getting it this direct publicly has to give him some greater sense of pause.

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This interview was done in March it’s just now being put in this package and out out there by SI this isn’t a new interview people need to relax


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I would be fine keeping him and letting him rot on our bench just to hurt his money over taking some trash players from the lakers

The biggest think I take from it is that I doubt we were getting the offers we've all been dreaming of. The Celtics may be withholding Tatum and NY withholding the #3 pick. Rven the latest Laker rumor has Kuzma out of the offer.

I still like Fletch's logic, though. Today is still very early to agree on a trade. The speculation was this weekend at the earliest. This is the type of move that damages AD's rep. I don't think they were doing it because we are dragging our feet. Quite the opposite, Griffin was putting out info saying he wants it done soon to be able to evaluate draft picks. So I'm buying that this was put out there because Klutch didn't like the way things were looking for LA. Someone else was fronting.

As we all just pointed out, LeBron and LA is dead without AD. Another season goes by and it really could be so bad AD changes his mind. KD balloon popped. GS is fallible. Kawhi could still leave Toronto and then the NBA is a giant toss up. This is old news as AD had made it very clear from the get go it was LA or bust with a possible NY.....I really don't think this article sways GMs in the least.

Also all this smoke wouldn’t be coming out if Griffin wasn’t getting Rich Paul scared just relax and let Griffin do is work this dude can walk circles around Rich Paul . Get ready for the Pelicans spin doctors to be coming out soon . My prediction = deal with team X getting close looks like Lakers may be out !


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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Why? Demps (as well as every competent GM) should understand the power the players have. If your star player says he wants to be traded then you trade him. The more private you can keep the trade request the better.

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No doubt, but Paul said stuff that Demps got blamed for. If you are going to put things out there don’t let some other guy get shat on for your stupid words.

I'm just starting to speculate if this release was more because of the KD injury than anything in the actual trade talks.

Like.....once KD's balloon popped, the NBA next season all of a sudden becomes a free for all. The Warriors are fallible. I think they stay intact aside from KD but that can be bested. There is still a chance Kawhi leaves Toronto. So the East and West really are open. A ton of teams have to be feeling like they can be the next Toronto and bring AD in, make a giant run, and convince him to stay. As stated above, LA sucks. If they miss out on AD next season will be abysmal. LeBron is aging and had the worst injury in his career....teams may really think they can sway him. Some of you guys were saying all this yesterday, so I'm riding your coattails but this release smacks more of desperation to disway all of those teams to stay out of the bidding.

I really doubt GMs worth their salt get swayed.

I know I'm waffling all over the place....but there really is more fog than there is visibility here. Impossible puzzle to put together.

Davis clearly wants to play for the Lakers--for whatever reasons. Rich Paul gets his clients what they want. It's brutal, abrasive, but more often effective. That is why Rich Paul is doing this. Not to solely help LeBron--if it's a byproduct so be it. Davis wants ALL of this.

— Jake Madison (@NOLAJake) June 12, 2019

If you want a great listen, go listen to the Locked on Lakers podcast for today. They think that they hold all the cards, and are in a position of power. They don’t even realize the economics behind it all, they just think that because they are the Lakers, and because they have Klutch and Lebron that the Pels have to bend the knee. Those guys are brazen with their pomposity.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

We disagree in one area. That Paul and Davis has been publicly this stern with Ainge. While we can assume they have been stern privately again we don't know. There's a big difference in term of saving face if you are Ainge. Rich Paul has been telling Ainge privately Davis will not re-sign Danny could pretend like he was getting early signs that Davis could be convinced. Again similar to what we saw with Paul George or what we are seeing now with Kawhi Leonard. However when that direct tone is made public Ainge loses that protection. Now you, me or anyone who cares about the situation knows he's already been warned. That kind of transparency more than likely would cost Danny his job if/when Davis bolts.

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The interview was from March.

Really goes to show how people will use the info they have to fit the narratives they want.

Hopefully Jake is right

Other than all of that, really interesting feature on Rich Paul.

— Jake Madison (@NOLAJake) June 12, 2019

Reiterating this point. It's from March. Rich Paul doesn't own SI and sometimes it takes features like this a while to come together. Don't read too much into Rich Paul wanting leverage or where anything stands with an AD trade currently. https://t.co/wVEKIwn6CW

— Jake Madison (@NOLAJake) June 12, 2019

Davis clearly wants to play for the Lakers--for whatever reasons. Rich Paul gets his clients what they want. It's brutal, abrasive, but more often effective. That is why Rich Paul is doing this. Not to solely help LeBron--if it's a byproduct so be it. Davis wants ALL of this.

— Jake Madison (@NOLAJake) June 12, 2019

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I think something we are over looking here is that Ainge and the Celtics are very likely going to lose Irving. So Danny is seeing 1st hand how difficult it is to keep these guys in place. Ainge's only saving grace is that he didn't trade significant value(because the Cavs are run by idiots) so losing Kyrie won't cost them much. Now we are expecting him to turn around and trade the farm for Davis. Irving was actually excited about going to Boston and now it's expected that he's leaving. What you think happens to a guy that doesn't want to be there?

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Woj reported last night that Ainge basically has a backup deal in place for Conley if Kyrie bolts.

Ainge is clearly not on board with the wait and develop the young guys approach you seem to think.

He did this before with his Big three and at a minimum seems open and actively gaming out taking that risk now.

Conley/Smart or Brown/Hayward/AD/Horford plus FA role players can get you to the finals, and that is probably what Ainge is thinking. If Kyrie stays, great, upgrading Conley to Kyrie probably makes you favorites.