BI or Zion: Who do you want the Pelicans to trade for Scoot?

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Originally Posted by djrnno

My take on this whole thing is the law of averages has got to catch up as far as health goes, if we get 55 or better games out of both Zion and BI. If we do we are top 3 in the west. Selling low is always a bad move so I'm for keeping Z for one more yr at least. I like Scoot but, we are a pretty young team but not a big window cap-wise, is it wise to have to count on a rookie to come in and start quickly? Yes we need a PG, one that can come in and start. I would think a vet would be better for this team because it looks like Daniels is at least 2yrs away from that if he ever is

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I hope you're right, and you could be but the Blazers hoped the law of averages would mean Oden and Roy would be healthy for a season as well.

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Originally Posted by HornetsFan11

Generally, where there?s smoke there?s fire. But this is the NBA. The conversation is dominated by pundits whose job is to play fantasy basketball with the 8-10 elite franchises. Zion could buy a plot at the Metairie Cemetery and they?d still be creating stories about him wanting to leave.

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With smaller market franchises, the media will spend your entire career trying to move you. Then if you do leave, they lambast you for it, and if you stay until you retire, they praise you for your loyalty if you won and call you a loser if you didn't. It's very frustrating but it is what it is.

For the record, I don't think they'll be picking 2nd or 3rd. But I'll be surprised if they stay at 14.

Way too many smokescreens going on.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

With smaller market franchises, the media will spend your entire career trying to move you. Then if you do leave, they lambast you for it, and if you stay until you retire, they praise you for your loyalty if you won and call you a loser if you didn't. It's very frustrating but it is what it is.

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Oh, there's smoke...been so for four str8 years over the same hot garbage. Tell me, other than the Pelicans, is there another franchise in any other league or sport 'targeted' by the entire 'media' on one single issue over a four year period? If so, then which one? I'd really like to know.

Many folks try to rationalize the truth away (it's currently in vogue and fashionable), but there is smoke....and plenty of it. And the smoke I smell has nothing to do with those rascals, the 'media, trying to burn us down.

Remember:

Once upon a time, there was guy who was cleared to play at the end of the year but refused to, when 'his team' (applied loosely) was fighting for its playoff life. Say what you will (or even delete me) but there is smoke...plenty of it. And in this case, the arsonist is hardly the media and really dwells inhouse.

here's how it goes down imo


Blazers acquire:
pick #27
Zion Williams

Hornets acquire:
Anfrenee Simmons
pick #3
Pick #14

Pelicans acquire:
pick #2
pick # 23

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Originally Posted by fullcourtpress

here's how it goes down imo


Blazers acquire:
pick #27
Zion Williams

Hornets acquire:
Anfrenee Simmons
pick #3
Pick #14

Pelicans acquire:
pick #2
pick # 23

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How about:

Blazers acquire:
--Zion (Cost: Simons, Grant, # 3 and # 23)

Hornets acquire:
--Simons
--JV
--23rd Pick (Cost: #2 and retain their # 27)

Pelicans Acquire:
--2nd Pick
--3rd Pick
--Jerami Grant (Cost: Zion, JV and retain their # 14)

Three Lottery picks in arguably deepest draft in NBA history sounds good to me.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

How about:

Blazers: Zion (Cost: Simmons, Grant, # 3)

Hornets:....Simmons
................JV (Cost: #2)

....and retain # 27

Pelicans:....2nd Pick
................3rd Pick
................Jerami Grant (Cost: Zion, JV)

....and retain # 14

Three Lottery picks in the arguably deepest draft in NBA history sounds good to me.

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Is this a joke? Simons and JV are nowhere near worth the 2nd overall pick. Charlotte isn't doing that.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

For the record, I don't think they'll be picking 2nd or 3rd. But I'll be surprised if they stay at 14.

Way too many smokescreens going on.

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I think the most likely outcome is that both Zion and BI are on the team next season, but that we've made some sort of clumsy half-way move to try and be all-in without having to actually go all-in, that will result in us having to give up more assets at a later date to fix.

My reasoning for this is that Griff has done precisely that every summer for the last few years.

Think 'Gayle Benson' as you read.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...e833d56e&ei=10

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Think 'Gayle Benson' as you read.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...e833d56e&ei=10

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Article so enlightening….

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Think 'Gayle Benson' as you read.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...e833d56e&ei=10

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What's the update? That's an actual article? Imagine actually posting that. Lmao

Has anyone suggested that Dame could me in the mix, if any of these Zion rumors are actually true, which I have doubted this entire time; Dame and #3 for Zion and #14 as a framework

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

Has anyone suggested that Dame could me in the mix, if any of these Zion rumors are actually true, which I have doubted this entire time; Dame and #3 for Zion and #14 as a framework

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Close to 0% chance that's ever happening. They're either trading Dame and selecting at 3, or keeping Dame and moving 3 for someone to help Dame.

Every proposal I’ve seen so far has a 0% chance imo. If it were to happen, there has to be something bigger that hasn’t been presented yet

Would Minnesota be open to moving Towns and would Portland want him. We could give 5 first to Twolves and a few contracts. https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2j2rg49t

Haven’t given up hope on Scoot but have to find a team Portland would like players from and said team either trying to shed salaries or moving a disgruntled player. Atlanta comes to mind but not sure what they’d want from ATL.

FIVE firsts? Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

FIVE firsts? Jesus Christ.

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What do you think it would take to get Scoot? 1-2 ain’t gonna work and they want a star player. Rudy went for 6.

I agree. Five firsts doesn’t sound totally crazy in these types of trades.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

What do you think it would take to get Scoot? 1-2 ain’t gonna work and they want a star player. Rudy went for 6.

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Rudy went for 6 in a famously bad and lopsided trade, and he's a multiple time dpoy :hihi:

6 was overwhelmingly too much to give for a 2x defensive player of the year. And we're supposed to pony up 5 for less than that?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Rudy went for 6 in a famously bad and lopsided trade, and he's a multiple time dpoy :hihi:

6 was overwhelmingly too much to give for a 2x defensive player of the year. And we're supposed to pony up 5 for less than that?

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Knowing the firsts the Pels have, if you were the Hornets or Blazers, how many would it take for you to accept the deal?

If the Pels had to give up only 4 first rounders to get Scoot, he undoubtably would be a Pelican right now.

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Originally Posted by donato

If the Pels had to give up only 4 first rounders to get Scoot, he undoubtably would be a Pelican right now.

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I agree, 4 is borderline 5 is probably about right. Crazy is I don’t think they take that. It’ll have to be for a player like Towns or PG.

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Originally Posted by donato

If the Pels had to give up only 4 first rounders to get Scoot, he undoubtably would be a Pelican right now.

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Sure, but you can say that about anything. I can arbitrarily charge $5000 for my left shoe, but the fact that that's the price I'm putting on it doesn't mean anyone is going to pay it. I like Scoot a lot, and in a strategic move where you're also shifting salary/gaining flexibility, you can give up some more for him (because you're also gaining something else) but in a straight swap-for-swap, is #3 in 2023 worth 5, 6 other firsts? Especially when the Bucks (who would be contributing some of those picks) look like they might be on the verge of collapse? I'm not so sure.

I think it depends on if you want scoot bad enough. You could always put protections on the picks. I’m sure some would need no protections like next year. I think Scoot is worth it plus gives you a building block in case you lose Zion or BI in the next year or two.

Which you’ll recoup a lot of picks if you do trade either Zion or BI.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

Which you’ll recoup a lot of picks if you do trade either Zion or BI.

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If you're trading off 6 FRPs for scoot and then trading BI or Zion, you're completely resetting. At that point, don't shell out the picks for Scoot anyway, trade both BI and Zion, and do a real re-set.

One thing I'm sick of with this team is trying and failing to thread the needle. It isn't working, it hasn't worked, and there are very few historical examples of it working. Either go all in on winning or strip it down to start from scratch. Stop the ''we're going to thread the needle and end up just being not-bad-enough for a top pick but not-good-enough to make real noise either''.

No I’m trading all for scoot to play with BI and Zion. If it doesn’t work then you reset by building around Scoot.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

No I?m trading all for scoot to play with BI and Zion. If it doesn?t work then you reset by building around Scoot.

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In theory, you are absolutely right, if you consider Scoot an All NBA type player. Personally, I'm not there; I'm from Missouri.

I like BI and want him to win things with the Pelicans. I was hoping the Pels would trade Zion for Scoot... but now it doesn't look the Pels plan to trade Zion or that the Trailblazers plan to trade Scoot.

So, if BI is going to be stuck in a situation where he has to be so dependent on Zion's weight... how would you guys feel about trading BI to the Mavericks for Kyrie Irving?

And do you think this lineup below can soon contend for a ring?

Luka Doncic.................. Jalen Hardy
Bruce Brown................. Josh Green
Brandon Ingram............ Reggie Bullock
Maxi Kleber................... O-max Prosper
Richaun Holmes............. Dereck Lively

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Originally Posted by LAL1947

I like BI and want him to be in a better situation than one where he has to be so dependent on Zion's weight.

How would you guys feel about trading BI to the Mavericks for Kyrie Irving?

And do you think this lineup below can soon contend for a ring?

Luka Doncic.................. Jalen Hardy
Bruce Brown................. Josh Green
Brandon Ingram............ Reggie Bullock
Maxi Kleber................... O-max Prosper
Richaun Holmes............. Dereck Lively

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Ban this guy

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Ban this guy

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Why? I'm trying to think up win-win scenarios for everyone. This trade could work out really well for the Pels too. Having Kyrie will give y'all enough shooting around Zion at all times... while also being able to play either Herb or Dyson as the lead defender at all times. Kyrie and Dave Griffin also have a relationship that goes back years.

Kyrie............ GTA, McCollum
TM3............. McCollum, Hawkins
Herb............ Daniels
Zion............. LNJ, Liddell
Jonas........... Hayes, Liam

Doesn't this lineup have a better fit than what y'all rolled out last season?

When Zion is injured, y'all could run with: Kyrie, McCollum, TM3, Herb, Jonas.

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Originally Posted by LAL1947

Why? I'm trying to think up win-win scenarios for everyone. This trade could work out really well for the Pels too. Having Kyrie will give y'all enough shooting around Zion at all times... while also being able to play either Herb or Dyson as the lead defender at all times. Kyrie and Dave Griffin also have a relationship that goes back years.

Kyrie............ GTA, McCollum
TM3............. McCollum, Hawkins
Herb............ Daniels
Zion............. LNJ, Liddell
Jonas........... Hayes, Liam

Doesn't this lineup have a better fit than what y'all rolled out last season?

When Zion is injured, y'all could run with: Kyrie, McCollum, TM3, Herbert, Jonas.

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Absolutely not, hell no. What team do you like because its obviously not the New Orleans Pelicans.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Absolutely not, hell no. What team do you like because its obviously not the New Orleans Pelicans.

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Pretty sure it's in his name.