I’ve seen all I need to see. Murphy is going to contribute immediately.
Summer League 2021
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08-09-2021, 04:01 PMEman5805
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08-09-2021, 04:03 PMAs I See ItI agree. Playing the way he performed against Devon Dotson gives me little reason to believe he can do it against Dame, Steph, Mike, De'Aaron, Ja. Kyle, Trae, and the like. Right now I'm glad we have held on to Tomas Satoransky. But then again, it's only one game.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusPel
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08-09-2021, 04:04 PMpelafanaticJalen's whole thing is immaturity. Talent was never the question for that kidQuote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
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08-09-2021, 04:05 PMPelicanidaeEh, it's not his whole thing. He has other things going on that make it questionable as to whether he'll reach his physical potential, but yeah it's not a surprise that he pops in a SL setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by pelafanatic
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08-09-2021, 04:07 PMPelicanidae
Zion showing love to the rook @Treymurphyiii �� pic.twitter.com/1iH8vZ6yqs
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08-09-2021, 04:12 PMpelafanatic
It's nice to seemingly have a coach that doesn't feel handcuffed to the starting lineup when closing games. It may seem simple and obvious, but finishing with Herb was the right move and I'm glad he made it.
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08-09-2021, 04:17 PMnew city champ
First observations on Summer League
Obviously what your looking for are signs that these guys can come off the bench and give you solid minutes in the regular season. To that end what stood out on a very limited sample size...
-Basketball IQ. The Pels stressed wanting to get smarter on the floor. I was impressed with how Kira, Naji, Murphy and Jones played within the flow of the game. Kira was smart with the ball. Naji created and took smart shots. Murphy and Jones both moved well off the ball, particularly after Coach Green admonished them to cut more off the ball. They promptly did just that. I think you saw the advantage of drafting more experienced guys with years in good college programs under their belt.
-Defensive intensity. Another point on the Pels offseason check list. Just a single summer league game, but you had to like the squad's defensive tempo, especially int he second half. Everyone hustled, closed out, helped without too much over helping, got their hands in the passing lanes, etc...Just solid team defense. Herb Jones in particular stood out on this end. You can see how his length may be very useful as a spot defender.
-Versatility. Pels have been lacking length and switchability on the wing for a long while. In Jones, Murphy, Naji and Didi you saw potential for a much better ability to match up. All are long guys who showed good lateral movement, want to and understanding of how to play off ball and on ball. Not sure you've got an elite stopper in the bunch, but they can make life more difficult for some scorers than we've seen from the Pels in recent years.
-Poise. Again, just a single summer league but I really liked what I saw from Coach Green's demeanor on the sidelines and on time outs (which were mic-ed up for broadcast). Thought whole team responded well to his points and showed very good energy and effort, which I guess you would expect in summer league. But nevertheless it was good to see and I think it was a great idea for Green and the staff to all go out there together and get a head start on the season.
I'm sure there are other points, but that's some of what I saw. Obviously, Murphy shot the lights out and did other good things as well, and Naji looked like an NBA player out there, but I just liked the overall team performance in terms of effort, basketball IQ and defensive intensity. Fun to watch... -
08-09-2021, 04:22 PMPelifanwasnt impressed by Jalen Johnson. Seemed to bully a small celtics lineup for opportunistic finishes. Doesnt mean he won't be good, just think his stat line lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
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08-09-2021, 04:29 PMTaker597Yeah, Kira ceiling this season is running the bench point. He's basically a Ricky Rubio+ at this point and to be honest... It's not a championship caliber player, but we aren't a championship caliber team. So, his development is in reasonable expectation, but he definitely doesn't have much flash to his growth. Hopefully. It'll change soon when his shot starts to fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by As I See It
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08-09-2021, 04:29 PMkinglio21093
Loved what I saw. The whole team actually giving a damn gives me hope that it will translate onto the real team. Don't need to say it but Murphy looks like a total stud. Loved what I saw from Kira and Naji. Didi and Herb made a significant difference on the. defensive side.
How about Alvarado? That dude is a DOG. I want him on the team, no question. Seeing him get into it with Dotson gave me Pat Beverley vibes. -
08-09-2021, 04:31 PMjawznola
Jalen Green is a BEAST though you guys. I actually think he could easily win ROY over Cade.
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08-09-2021, 04:41 PMpelafanatic
Kira just had 11 points on 42% shooting in a game where his 3 wasn't falling and added 7 assists with zero turnovers. He's just very solid, and will be a great backup this season. A 20 year old turning the ball over 0 times in 27 minutes is extremely impressive. We get way too caught up in scoring sometimes
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08-09-2021, 04:51 PMTaker597Exactly and if his scoring becomes legit... The ceiling on him pretty much close to elite.Quote:
Originally Posted by pelafanatic
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08-09-2021, 04:52 PMPolishFanI agree with all of your posts :) I really liked the way Kira handled the ball and I also noticed that Didi looked comfortable with it. I liked the defensive effort of Jones and with Murphy who needs Hield? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pelafanatic
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08-09-2021, 05:12 PMEman5805I’ve been thinking he was the one more worthy of #1 for a while. His game reminds me of some of the greaTest to ever play in small ways. With a good mix of things neither player I’m thinking of did in their primes because defenses wouldn’t allow it and players didn’t shoot stepback 3s intentionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
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08-09-2021, 05:20 PMPelicanidaeI like the Green decision also. Shows that he wants to start getting to know the guys, warm up a little (has never been a HC before) and start getting the principals and coaching style he prefers into the guys who will be on the team (Kira, Murphy, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by PolishFan
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08-09-2021, 05:20 PMPELSGIRLDamn.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertM320
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08-09-2021, 05:21 PMPELSGIRL
Watching this game, made me now say we don't need Lauri or Buddy. I know it's the Summer League but I really loved Kira, Naji, Trey, Herb and Didi. We got this all, our future looks bright.
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08-09-2021, 05:26 PMDroopyDawg
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08-09-2021, 05:27 PMPolishFanSame here but I actually liked Herb more than Didi in this game even if he missed some layups and travelled. His D and especially his block was awesome!!Quote:
Originally Posted by PELSGIRL
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08-09-2021, 05:28 PMDroopyDawgMight not NEED Buddy but we can use Lauri. A stretch big with the 2nd unit wouldn't hurt anything. Can never have too many guys on the floor that can shoot. I know he's not the best defender but our 2nd unit could have guys like Kira, Herb, Did, Naji, Jax, Temple... all those guys can defend.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELSGIRL
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08-09-2021, 05:31 PMMichaelMcNamaraAnd they say the future is hard to predict.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PELSGIRL
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08-09-2021, 05:31 PMPolishFanExactly and if they play well and get some confidence it will have a better chance of continuation under the same coach. It also looks like he treated the game seriously looking at his timeouts and rotation in the 4 quarterQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-09-2021, 05:33 PMFedupfan
Let’s not even overlook that Josh Hart was there sitting by Graham and BI, while Zion is not anywhere in sight. These things mean something. If Josh Hart wants to be a Pel, then I want him to be a Pel. Let Tractor Williamson eat his flinstone vitamins somewhere else.
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08-09-2021, 05:41 PMPELSGIRLLol. I feel like he should have been there too but he did tweet out something when he saw Trey Murphy slam that ball down (which is a good sign). We know dude and his family on the fence so yeah we're going to have to expect this from him a bit early but hopefully he comes around and gives us his 100% as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fedupfan
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08-09-2021, 05:44 PMPELSGIRLYes, Alvarado. He looked good too. My goodness, he is a feisty something. I love it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kinglio21093
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08-09-2021, 05:44 PMPolishFanIMO we don’t need Hart with the current roster. We need another skilled PF. We might sign Hart because of lack of options but I won’t like itQuote:
Originally Posted by PELSGIRL
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08-09-2021, 05:51 PMMichaelMcNamaraIn the new NBA, on bench units - how is Hart not a power forward? He rebounds as well as most starting power forwards and better than almost all bench ones. He is a fine shooter, not a great one, and is good in transition. Sounds like a "power forward" to meQuote:
Originally Posted by PolishFan
The thought of positions really needs to die. Especially with staggered and bench units. Most of our best units, and most of the best units around the league for that matter, had 4 perimeter players and one big. -
08-09-2021, 05:52 PMPELSGIRLMaybe Lauri and then that's all. Even tho he may not be the best skilled like someone said we can't have enough shooters and Hart isn't the greatest shooter even tho Hart will give you a ton of effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolishFan
Either or. Lol. I just wouldn't give up a 1st to get Lauri. Absolutely not. -
08-09-2021, 05:55 PMjawznola
As mentioned before, if there’s a sizable progression from our starters (including NAW) we are a really big headache in the west. A lot of what we want in trades may already exist if we actually get the calls deserved (Zion could EASILY average 30PPG if he gets those calls) and if BI and NAW improved even more. I’m telling you guys, we are gonna be a thorn in a lot of teams sides.
Trey actually understands his role already, it’s hard to say if Herb & Didi will be in the Gleague or not, but I’m anxious to see the growth. -
08-09-2021, 06:02 PMPELSGIRL
Also, if Griff and Green can be on the same page, this team will be amazing.
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08-09-2021, 06:15 PMsmcgull
Pelicans win, and Trey played very good. I hope this is the beginning of some great ball by the entire team. `
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08-09-2021, 06:26 PMredrum
I know it is just one game but, DiDi better learn how to shoot if he doesn't want to end up in Birmingham.
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08-09-2021, 06:42 PMSonOfNOLAThis makes a lot of sense, at least right now. Josh Hart plays big as any PF and can play relief minutes there any time. He’s an inch shorter than Draymond Green and only 15 pounds less. Hart is a better defender than Lauri. Plus Ingram can continue to move over to PF whenever Zion gets rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
It might not be the ideal team every one wants on paper, but we definitely have a complete team -
08-09-2021, 07:00 PMMichaelMcNamaraPositions are a thing of the past. Skill sets are what matter. And Hart gives you what you need from a backup 4 defensively and helps the space more than an average backup 4 on the other end. Will a Kira - Sato- Ingram - Hart - Hayes lineup be perfect? No. But is it going to get killed by another unit with 3-4 reserves at the end of the 1st quarter? Probably not. I would bet it wins its minutes far more often than it loses them. And if you got a team with a killer PF/C off the bench, you play Hayes and Hernangomez together on those staggered units. You dont need a "backup PF" just to make your lineups look good when you type them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfNOLA
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08-09-2021, 07:10 PMMichaelMcNamaraHe has been working with Fred Vinson for weeks. Shouldnt he be Steph Curry by now?Quote:
Originally Posted by redrum
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08-09-2021, 07:20 PMneworleanshoo
Just came here to say WAHOOWA. Will be fun to follow Trey's progress - he'll have his ups and downs but this was a solid start.
Also Summer League ball has very little defense. Which isn't that far off from the regular season NBA I guess... -
08-09-2021, 08:12 PMSilverfoxxLol No way these dudes are not HUGE Travis Scott fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-09-2021, 10:43 PMAD-AT
What I liked about Murphy's performance is that he didn't just dominate weaker competition with superior size and speed. It was a lot of fundamentals that translate well to being a rookie who can contribute. Consistent 3pt shooting, aware off ball movement, drawing and converting FTs, rangey and complimentary defense.
It really looked effortless for him. He looked less like a guy trying to prove himself and more like someone very confident in his skills and focused on taking care of business.
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08-10-2021, 12:37 AMPolishFanSo Naji wasn’t impressive and now Hart is a power forward. Lol. He does get a lot of rebounds (some of them he steals from his teammates) and I guess he could play PF in small lineups but IMO only in certain limited situations and not regularly. I will stay with my opinion that we need a competent PF. I wish we kept James JohnsonQuote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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08-10-2021, 12:54 AMPolishFanI thought Pels played some very good D in the 4 quarter which made me excited about the rooks and the coach :)Quote:
Originally Posted by neworleanshoo
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08-10-2021, 01:12 AMTaker597
So many teams are really happy with their lottery pick so far.. Just absurd how great this class was. I hope it translates to the regular season.
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08-10-2021, 01:56 AMCreative
I know it's only Summer League but the first game was really positive - commitment on the defense and playing team basketball - that's what I want to see every game !
And Trey - that was really impresive man! keep it up !! -
08-10-2021, 08:36 AMPELICANSFANSo, you would be comfortable with Hart regularly defending 6'9" - 6'10 230-250 pound players? Also, it is one thing to rebound as a 6'5" SG/SF when you have bigs blocking out, but when you are the one blocking out much bigger guys, it becomes a bit tougher. I lkiek him in situations, but we are still think at that position.Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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08-10-2021, 08:38 AMPELICANSFANDid Vinson do something to you personally?Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara
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08-10-2021, 08:41 AMPELICANSFANAlmost everyone is happy with their rookies after summer league. Can't get too high or too low based on those games. If so, Belinelli and Morrow would be in the HOF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-10-2021, 09:08 AMdonatoSeriously. At least once a month it’s the same “joke” or similar comment over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-10-2021, 09:40 AMpelafanaticI've spoken to a few people in the league who adore Vinson and think he'll be an offensive coordinator and associate head coach as early as next season. Pels had to give him a promotion in order to keep him on the staff. I guess we must have different sources. I think Mac is probably right about Aaron Nelson and his staff, but I believe, based on both the people I talk to as well as the basically universal praise from the media, that Fred Vinson is extremely good at his job. It may be some group think, and he may not be the absolute best, but he is definitely very very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-10-2021, 10:25 AMramsters60I think the point is that it took years before Steph Curry started to become Steph Curry.....Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-10-2021, 10:33 AMDEMO2021I Know He is better than this. But you are right he better get it together or he will be in Birmingham!! But his DEE is great!!Quote:
Originally Posted by redrum