Pelicans want Steven Adams

Steven Adam was literally the best available 5 on the block.

Bledsoe
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Brandon
Zion
Adams

They could easily fight for the 8th seed. Just a way more balanced starting line up.


Or we can tank for Jalen Green

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Steven Adam was literally the best available 5 on the block.

Bledsoe
???
Brandon
Zion
Adams

They could easily fight for the 8th seed. Just a way more balanced starting line up.


Or we can tank for Jalen Green

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If you tank you better have your sights set higher than Jalen Green.

Cade Cunningham or bust.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

If you tank you better have your sights set higher than Jalen Green.

Cade Cunningham or bust.

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I'm 100% confident that OKC is gang busting all these picks to get a 1st overall superstar.

I think Bledsoe is gonna be used either as the starter or the backup. He is a veteran point guard and that?s what we really need if we want to make a playoff run. They will probably use Kira like we did with the Hayes & NAW last year, which is not a whole lot especially early on. I don’t think SVG likes to use rookie guards early on. He barely played JJ Redick during his rookie year

It sounds like he’s in the team’s plans this year

C: Adams, Hayes
PF: Zion, Melli
SF: BI, Hart
SG: JJ, NAW
PG: Lonzo, Bledsoe, Kira

Maybe we bring back Moore on the cheap? Or we bring in a true small forward to backup BI. A veteran with playoff experience would be ideal since we have a point guard, shooting guard, and center with playoff experience.

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Good to see you again! I thought you became a lakers fan already lol

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I think Bledsoe is gonna be used either as the starter or the backup.

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I think Bledsoe is gonna be used either as the starter or the backup. He is a veteran point guard and that?s what we really need if we want to make a playoff run. They will probably use Kira like we did with the Hayes & NAW last year, which is not a whole lot especially early on. I don’t think SVG likes to use rookie guards early on. He barely played JJ Redick during his rookie year

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Bledsoe is starting if he stays. He could also be a good mentor for whoever and he is a solid player. He should have gone in the Adams deal though if we were parting ways with a pick.

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I think Bledsoe is gonna be used either as the starter or the backup. He is a veteran point guard and that?s what we really need if we want to make a playoff run. They will probably use Kira like we did with the Hayes & NAW last year, which is not a whole lot especially early on. I don’t think SVG likes to use rookie guards early on. He barely played JJ Redick during his rookie year

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Bledsoe is not a catch and shoot guy. Actually one of the worst in the league. So, I definitely seeing stay at Point. I'd let Lewis run the 2nd unit.

We really need to make some more moves and solidify the 2 spot with someone capable and find better wing depth.

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Bledsoe is not a catch and shoot guy. Actually one of the worst in the league. So, I definitely seeing stay at Point. I'd let Lewis run the 2nd unit.

We really need to make some more moves and solidify the 2 spot with someone capable and find better wing depth.

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Isn?t SVG quoted as saying he sees Ball at the 2?


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Isn?t SVG quoted as saying he sees Ball at the 2?


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That is almost assuredly what is happening at this point. Unless we part ways with even more picks, we don’t have much firepower to make a trade. We shouldn’t be wasting picks unless we plan on getting a big one. To be fair, Steven Adams is a very good pickup despite my disapproval of the deal.

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Isn?t SVG quoted as saying he sees Ball at the 2?


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Not quite. He's been quoted as saying this:

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I think sometimes we get too focused on what guys can't do. [Lonzo Ball] has a nice package of skills. They've got other ball handling parts and pieces. He does not need to facilitate everything in the half court. [...] A hybrid role.

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That was on The Lowe Post podcast. That's not really ''he's going to play the 2'', it's more ''he doesn't need to be on-ball all the time'' which is very true. He should be used as a wing in halfcourt offenses.

Bobby marks said it best, although i would rephrase the top 8 in the west thing to having a chance to be in the playoffs...

New Orleans got Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 3 1's, 2 pick swaps and are still a top 8 team in the West.

Nice job of retooling the roster post Jrue Holiday without taking a major step back

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Ball can catch and shoot and be better suited for off ball defense. His FT did improve about 15%. But I don't think his finishing ability would make him a good option. He is essentially best role is a perimeter player. I don't think you want a 2 to be that one dimensional. It already felt like 4 on 5 basketball with him on the court at the facilitator role.

Maybe he can keep improving, but I don't see it. Possibly better as a wing.

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Bobby marks said it best, although i would rephrase the top 8 in the west thing to having a chance to be in the playoffs...

New Orleans got Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 3 1's, 2 pick swaps and are still a top 8 team in the West.

Nice job of retooling the roster post Jrue Holiday without taking a major step back

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2 1st. One went to Adams.

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Bobby marks said it best, although i would rephrase the top 8 in the west thing to having a chance to be in the playoffs...

New Orleans got Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, 3 1's, 2 pick swaps and are still a top 8 team in the West.

Nice job of retooling the roster post Jrue Holiday without taking a major step back

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Playoffs all depends on Zion. If Zion had been healthy all of last season and hadn’t fallen behind by half a year, we would very likely have been in the playoffs. How strong will the 8th seed be this year? It was very weak last year. That is the question.

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Whoa. I know it's a few pages late.....but did you just bust out a Wiggles reference?! This is my escape from six kids!!! Lol

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Mmmm, horrendous spacing

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Mmmm, horrendous spacing

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Man. I am a homer and eternally optimistic about my teams. But I'm starting to get an inkling of "what if this WAS the missing piece"?

Let's make this argument. Take the 1 In 4 Out offense SVG likes to implement. Adams is really perfect at that. I pulled this reel up Dae posted way back on page 2 or 3 to emphasize that but the 1 In position is essentially a big quarterback that sits in the center of the offense. Adams would be outstanding in that role. We don't like it at first because we always envisioned Zion there....but Adams really fits there better and Zion would be just as effective cutting in or shooting as one of the 4 out.

His screens and PnR play are pretty great, as well. More staples of that role in the SVG offense. He doesn't block as much as the past SVG defensive Cs but he does everything else.

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I love Adams' passing so much. While not in that elite echelon of passing bigs, he's very functional and makes passes like these fairly often. He uses his height well to see over defenses and has a knack for finding cutters. Something I like about his passing a lot is that he tends to really put snap on them, whipping these bounce passes really accurately, and as demonstrated on a couple of these clips, he also anticipates movement really well. There aren't that many bigs who will happily throw a pass to an empty space knowing that the cutter will be there later, but Adams does it.

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At the very least, he can show Jax and Zion how to lay this role down. Give them a great example of how to proceed in the future. But I'm wondering if there's more meant out if this guy. A win-win scenario whether he goes or stays.

Something I would disagree with is that I never really saw Zion as being a sort of ''a big quarterback that sits in the centre'', I always saw him as being a more on-ball slasher and facilitator, playmaking in motion in the Lebron James/Giannis style (not precisely the same because they're different players, but you get the idea). I never had any interest in the idea of parking Zion in the low post and trying to make him pass out like Marc Gasol.

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If you tank you better have your sights set higher than Jalen Green.

Cade Cunningham or bust.

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I think I would take Jalen Green, but you can’t miss with either one IMO.

Edited: deleted, came off as me being a bit mean, and kind of a derailing discussion anyway.

i wanted us to go after adams 2 or 3 years ago to play center for AD.....glad he is on the team now plus i dont have to watch our starting center get bullied around this season......adams is a beast and will add toughness to the team....

I think Adams is a very good player to this year and clean near 28 millions to next season. We should take a look to the 2021-22 free agency.

So far:

C: S. Adams/ J. Hayes
PF: Zion/ Melli
SF: B. Ingram/ J. Hart
SG: E. Bledsoe/J.J. Reddick
PG: L. Ball/K. Lewis/N. Alexander-Walker

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Something I would disagree with is that I never really saw Zion as being a sort of ''a big quarterback that sits in the centre'', I always saw him as being a more on-ball slasher and facilitator, playmaking in motion in the Lebron James/Giannis style (not precisely the same because they're different players, but you get the idea). I never had any interest in the idea of parking Zion in the low post and trying to make him pass out like Marc Gasol.

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Exactly. Zion is too quick to be stationed in the post. He is a rarity. A big that can drive like a guard. If we can prevent him from getting double teamed all of the time like last year, he will be so difficult to stop.

Do we get bird rights and what would you peg the likelihood of signing him long-term if he fits well?

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Do we get bird rights and what would you peg the likelihood of signing him long-term if he fits well?

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Yeah get Adams Bird Rights

12 mil per next contract would be reasonable, but as Mac says, rarely does a player go from 27 mil to 12 mil on the same team. If they do the reduction it's usually for another squad

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I think Adams is a very good player to this year and clean near 28 millions to next season. We should take a look to the 2021-22 free agency.

So far:

C: S. Adams/ J. Hayes
PF: Zion/ Melli
SF: B. Ingram/ J. Hart
SG: E. Bledsoe/J.J. Reddick
PG: L. Ball/K. Lewis/N. Alexander-Walker

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Bledsoe isn't an effective combo guard. He's probably going to stay at point.

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Playoffs all depends on Zion. If Zion had been healthy all of last season and hadn?t fallen behind by half a year, we would very likely have been in the playoffs. How strong will the 8th seed be this year? It was very weak last year. That is the question.

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I see no reason (not withstanding injuries) we can't seriously aspire for the playoffs (and I'm not talking about backing in with the 8th seed). Why?

1. We now have an ironman at Center who can be counted on (Favors missed a month with injury and family issues last year - Remember 13 game losing streak)
2. WE now have a coach that will provide structure, places a premium on defense, will hold players accountable has a reputation as a great 'in-game coach. Bless his heart, but Alvin just rolled the ball out there and said, "Okay, boys, PLAY!!! See you after the game".
3. OKC will take a step back as will Houston. I know PHX, MEM, and GS(??) are apt to be better, but no better than us IMO.

NOTE: Has anyone heard anything about E'Twaun? Just curious.

I don’t see us re-signing Adams (for a reasonable price anyways) unless we bring in someone like Beal next season and establish our core 5. The question will obviously be- how good is Kira?

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I think more details came out... We traded Bledsoe as well. I'll see what I can dig up

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lol

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Lol hold up I'm still digging. Don't crucify me yet!

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— TheOldMan&TheThree (@OldManAndThree) November 21, 2020

JJ's podcast acknowledges the move lol

Didn't see it here yet. Redick DHOs are about to explode.

Thinking about Steven Adams and remembering that one of the best offensive games I ever saw him play in OKC he had 6 points, 6 rebounds and shot 2-6. But he had 16 screen assists in a playoff game to help Russell Westbrook get 45 points and Paul George 34.

— Brett Dawson (@BDawsonWrites) November 21, 2020

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Lol hold up I'm still digging. Don't crucify me yet!

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lol

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lol

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Okay I read something wrong, nevermind crucify me lol

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Okay I read something wrong, nevermind crucify me lol

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But you're so close! Keep pushing!

Loved Adam’s for a long time. As soon as the New Jersey’s are available going to get one with Adam’s on the back.

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Yeah get Adams Bird Rights

12 mil per next contract would be reasonable, but as Mac says, rarely does a player go from 27 mil to 12 mil on the same team. If they do the reduction it's usually for another squad

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A 28 year old center like him will get a lot more than that.

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A 28 year old center like him will get a lot more than that.

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You'd think so

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A 28 year old center like him will get a lot more than that.

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Yep, cause non-superstar centres are just getting the biggest paycheques in the world these days.

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A 28 year old center like him will get a lot more than that.

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But I'm not sure what the demand for a starting centre will be like next season. If demand is low, it will drive his price down

Not being able to stretch the floor also hurts. It was nowhere as big of a deal 4 rears ago when he signed this big contract

15 should probably do it

In awe at the size of this lad. Absolute unit.

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In awe at the size of this lad. Absolute unit.

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It's mostly CGI though

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The more I think about it, the less I like it. The pick isn’t as good and the player is better, but overall I am just getting Omer Asik vibes. Too much investment for a player at the easiest position to fill in the NBA. Lots of leverage for him next year (you can’t let him walk for nothing!). A solid rotation player in George Hill and 3 picks, a late first and two probable high second rounders, strikes me as an absurd. If the Pels have to move prospects like NAW to salary match, it goes from being a bad trade to an incredibly short-sighted one which could be disaster if he ends up being a player. There is a world where the Bucks remain good where the return for Holiday and the return for Adams end up being similar.

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The more I think about it, the less I like it. The pick isn’t as good and the player is better, but overall I am just getting Omer Asik vibes. Too much investment for a player at the easiest position to fill in the NBA. Lots of leverage for him next year (you can’t let him walk for nothing!). A solid rotation player in George Hill and 3 picks, a late first and two probable high second rounders, strikes me as an absurd. If the Pels have to move prospects like NAW to salary match, it goes from being a bad trade to an incredibly short-sighted one which could be disaster if he ends up being a player. There is a world where the Bucks remain good where the return for Holiday and the return for Adams end up being similar.

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What are the odds that any of those picks turn into a player even close to as good as Adams?

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The more I think about it, the less I like it. The pick isn?t as good and the player is better, but overall I am just getting Omer Asik vibes. Too much investment for a player at the easiest position to fill in the NBA. Lots of leverage for him next year (you can?t let him walk for nothing!). A solid rotation player in George Hill and 3 picks, a late first and two probable high second rounders, strikes me as an absurd. If the Pels have to move prospects like NAW to salary match, it goes from being a bad trade to an incredibly short-sighted one which could be disaster if he ends up being a player. There is a world where the Bucks remain good where the return for Holiday and the return for Adams end up being similar.

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Omer vibes is a bit extreme but I tend to agree

Having said that, you're paying a premium to have a year of Adams and then not having to go into as much of a ******** fight as everyone in the general public to re-sign him

The first and the better of the two very good seconds probably should have been enough

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What are the odds that any of those picks turn into a player even close to as good as Adams?

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Still, you need to take those unsullied assets at perceived value, not how they might or might not perform once you drive them off the lot

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What are the odds that any of those picks turn into a player even close to as good as Adams?

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Unless you are trading a very high draft pick for a very mediocre player, the odds of this will always favor the established player because most drafted players don?t become much. But while that?s true, if you use that logic to build your team you end up being the Dell Demps Pelicans. I think there is very little chance that Adams exceeds the amount of value that we are paying him on this or his next contract if he were to resign for an expected salary. I think there is a much higher chance that those draft picks could exceed the value that they are being paid or acquire a player who is a value on his contract at a harder to fill position.

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Still, you need to take those unsullied assets at perceived value, not how they might or might not perform once you drive them off the lot

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Sure but at the same time you can't hold them as sacred. The vast vast vast majority of 2nd round picks result in literally nothing for the team that uses them. There are exceptions but they're rare. And while they're often available, teams very rarely successfully pick up guys who are strong starter calibre players in the late first round.

I get wanting to be sensible, and I agree that picks have value and you shouldn't be silly about them, but if you get yourself to the point where you're refusing to trade a 2024 second rounder in a deal for a starter calibre player then you're being sillier than Danny Ainge has ever been about assets, and we all know how much he gets clowned.