19th November - New Orleans Pelicans VS Portland Trailblazers - 4-9

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Moore hates Nico

The cuts have been intelligent and timely tonight. This is the best we have been in the half court by far this year. Unlucky not to be up by 20-30

Gentry mad as hell.. lol

Ingram +21

Hayes currently averaging 2.7 screen assists per game.

That's 33rd in the NBA, currently tied with Al Horford.

Anthony Davis is currently averaging 2.3, Myles Turner 2.5, Dwight Howard 2.1, Clint Capela 1.6.

League leader in screen assists per game is Rudy Gobert, with a staggering 8.2

Unlucky Frank

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Hayes currently averaging 2.7 screen assists per game.

That's 33rd in the NBA, currently tied with Al Horford.

Anthony Davis is currently averaging 2.3, Myles Turner 2.5, Dwight Howard 2.1, Clint Capela 1.6.

League leader in screen assists per game is Rudy Gobert, with a staggering 8.2

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Wow. Rudy.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Wow. Rudy.

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Just a bonkers measurement. It's part of what gives him value on offense, given his scoring limitations.

BI no cheap turnovers my dude. Bad possessions lead to points

Ingram is a bit rusty.. still looks okay overall.

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Ingram is a bit rusty.. still looks okay overall.

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He has been great for the most part. Just a really messy possession

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Originally Posted by Nichols

Ingram is a bit rusty.. still looks okay overall.

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Yeah he's been fine. Hasn't been his best game or anything, but that's to be expected, and he's had bright moments.

Excellent from Jrue and Moore

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

He has been great for the most part. Just a really messy possession

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Yea it was ugly.. he should have had a dunk really.

Great pass from Jrue

Good clock management. Jrue being smart

Jrue with the double double, he has 22/5/10

Yeah JJ

I will be forever mad that Hayes only played like, 3 minutes in the second half.

Great win guys! Team effort!

https://t.co/A1HFNzyL15 pic.twitter.com/N2WMfduB1i

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) November 20, 2019

Good win. The score doesn’t reflect the excellent basketball we played for the most part. Have to make our shots and cut down on the silly possessions, but our movement was the best it’s been all year. We need to be blowing teams out when we are playing this well though. That is my one concern.

One more Kenrich.
He's ranked 98% Oreb among his postion at @cleantheglass and 4th at Oreb% among under 6-7 players. His efforts and ball drop predicition for chasing Oreb moments are always impressive.

-Below scene is not official Oreb but except this, he record 3 Oreb today. pic.twitter.com/FugqDdgenV

— Skyfall (@polarfall) November 20, 2019

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Good win. The score doesn’t reflect the excellent basketball we played for the most part. Have to make our shots and cut down on the silly possessions, but our movement was the best it’s been all year. We need to be blowing teams out when we are playing this well though. That is my one concern.

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I think when Zion is back we get blowouts..

Teams are going to have a real problem when Hayes and Zion are in the line up together..

Game over.

2nd win in a row, and our 3rd in 4 games. We are improving, believe it or not :hihi:

Ingram - 21/7/5 with 2 stls, 40% FG
Hayes - 9pts, 7rbds, 2stls, 3blks only got 21 minutes and yes I'm mad about it
Redick - 18pts, 5rbds, 2asts, 4-9 from 3
Jrue - 22pts, 5rbds, 10asts, 56% FG
Kenrich - 8pts, 14rbds, 1ast, 3stls, 2-2 from 3

Melli - 14pts, 6rbds, 4asts, 1-6 from 3, 27 minutes

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Originally Posted by Nichols

I think when Zion is back we get blowouts..

Teams are going to have a real problem when Hayes and Zion are in the line up together..

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That can’t be overlooked, but this was a team without Lillard tonight as well. We just have to be way more ruthless. Boneheaded 3twann Moore spurts don’t help

Melo in his NBA return

10pts, 4rbds, 4-14 shooting, 5 turnovers, 5 fouls in 24 minutes. 0 assists. Team worst -20 +/-

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Melo in his NBA return

10pts, 4rbds, 4-14 shooting, 5 turnovers, 5 fouls in 24 minutes. 0 assists. Team worst -20 +/-

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And they had handicap Melo. Have to be Moore ruthless.

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That can’t be overlooked, but this was a team without Lillard tonight as well. We just have to be way more ruthless. Boneheaded 3twann Moore spurts don’t help

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I agree.. and even though Jrue and Ingram were our best players this game, and overall for the season. They had like 8 turnovers this game. It's something they're going to have to clean up. I'm optimistic though.

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I agree.. and even though Jrue and Ingram were our best players this game, and overall for the season. They had like 8 turnovers this game. It's something they're going to have to clean up. I'm optimistic though.

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Same. It was a good night of basketball and a great watch in half court for once. At least we saw some movement tonight. Good adjustments by Alvin

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Melo in his NBA return

10pts, 4rbds, 4-14 shooting, 5 turnovers, 5 fouls in 24 minutes. 0 assists. Team worst -20 +/-

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I actually think he could be useful within the right system.

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I actually think he could be useful within the right system.

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Which system would that be?

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Which system would that be?

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The Knicks

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I think when Zion is back we get blowouts..

Teams are going to have a real problem when Hayes and Zion are in the line up together..

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They going to have a real problem with Favors/Zion/BI on the floor together.

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Which system would that be?

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Way to put me on the spot lol.. That defense of his makes it so difficult. But I would say system/role.. I think he's a guy that can come off the bench for 20 minutes and help keep an offense afloat.. Assuming he's moving the ball and not stagnating the flow.

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The Knicks

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Oh joy, another relatively inefficient power forward who can't play defense for the Knicks :hihi:

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They going to have a real problem with Favors/Zion/BI on the floor together.

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Can't disagree with that, especially if Favors is the best version of himself. If not, I prefer Hayes.. even though he's still raw.

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Way to put me on the spot lol.. That defense of his makes it so difficult. But I would say system/role.. I think he's a guy that can come off the bench for 20 minutes and help keep an offense afloat.. Assuming he's moving the ball and not stagnating the flow.

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I agree, if he did that he would be useful as a bench scorer type.

The problem is this bit:

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Assuming he's moving the ball and not stagnating the flow.

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He's been in the league for nearly 2 decades now and he's never been a particularly willing passer, and has never been willing to take a back seat and be a 'piece' in an offense. Teams have been assuming he might for a while now, and it just keeps not happening. He didn't do it in OKC, he didn't wanna do it in Houston, and I'm not sure he's going to do it in Portland. He's not humble enough to swallow his pride and be that back-up, sparkplug guy who passes, spots up, picks his moments, etc.

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I agree, if he did that he would be useful as a bench scorer type.

The problem is this bit:


He's been in the league for nearly 2 decades now and he's never been a particularly willing passer, and has never been willing to take a back seat and be a 'piece' in an offense. Teams have been assuming he might for a while now, and it just keeps not happening. He didn't do it in OKC, he didn't wanna do it in Houston, and I'm not sure he's going to do it in Portland. He's not humble enough to swallow his pride and be that back-up, sparkplug guy who passes, spots up, picks his moments, etc.

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Based on his history you're probably right.. I was thinking being away from the game for as long as he's been would have made him a little more desperate to do whatever it takes to find and keep a job.

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Can't disagree with that, especially if Favors is the best version of himself. If not, I prefer Hayes.. even though he's still raw.

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I dont. I'd prefer even half of Favors. Favors does all the things that dont show up in the box score. Like box out, be in position on defense, move other bigs out of position. All the physicality this team just doesnt have much of.

Hayes still a long way away from putting up 20/20 type games. Don't rush him.

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Based on his history you're probably right.. I was thinking being away from the game for as long as he's been would have made him a little more desperate to do whatever it takes to find and keep a job.

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Maybe you're right. If anyone's gonna get through to him, it's Dame. Lillard's a great team leader. Just don't see it as being too likely, personally.

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I dont. I'd prefer even half of Favors. Favors does all the things that dont show up in the box score. Like box out, be in position on defense, move other bigs out of position.

Hayes still a long way away from putting up 20/20 type games. Don't rush him.

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I wouldn't disagree that as of today, Favors is better than Hayes, but I do think that the preference for Hayes can be based on long-term development. If Favors is going to be not-his-full-self, then I'd prefer to sacrifice some of his minutes to Hayes as well, rather than feed not-top-form Favors 35 minutes a night because while Favors may still be better at that reduced level, Hayes is the 19 year old under contract for 4 years, and therefore he's the guy I'm prioritising development time with.

Jaxson Hayes: “Kenrich Williams is the heart and soul of this team.”

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) November 20, 2019

He's right, goddammit.

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I dont. I'd prefer even half of Favors. Favors does all the things that dont show up in the box score. Like box out, be in position on defense, move other bigs out of position. All the physicality this team just doesnt have much of.

Hayes still a long way away from putting up 20/20 type games. Don't rush him.

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Thinking about it you have a point.. as Pelicanidae said maybe the only reason to play Hayes more would be for his development.

I just love watchin the kid play..

21 minutes for Hayes and denying him another double double should be a crime.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

21 minutes for Hayes and denying him another double double should be a crime.

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If he had gotten 30 minutes tonight, I legit think that 12/12 with 5 blocks was in the discussion.

Pels DRTG with Jaxson Hayes on the court the last 3 games https://t.co/AAOl4Znitj pic.twitter.com/Mo3EgPyozI

— Shamit Dua (@FearTheBrown) November 20, 2019

Listen, I know Hayes has his lapses sometimes, and his lack of strength can bite him occasionally. He's not all-defense yet. I fully admit that. I'm not trying to pretend he's superman.

But come on :hihi:

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Thinking about it you have a point.. as Pelicanidae said maybe the only reason to play Hayes more would be for his development.

I just love watchin the kid play..

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And he such a team player. He works his
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And he such a team player. He works his
****** off in setting screens and all hustle on defense.

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I brought up his screen-assists earlier. He's averaging 2.7 a game (and that'll probably go up based on tonight, he had several) which is more than AD, Myles Turner, Dwight Howard, and Clint Capela. 2.7 screen assists per game is 8th among all players who are playing under 25 minutes a night, and 33rd league-wide.