Mirotic deal done ✅

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

People, get this through your head, we are not winning anything of significance as long as the Warriors are in their prime. Let’s just enjoy a Memphis or CP3 Clippers type of playoff run until the salary cap catches up to Golden State, whenever that will be.

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You don't have a competitive sports background do you? Either that or you have one of the good crystal balls.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Even more reason to like the mirotic trade. It allows us to stay competitive next year instead of just resigning to giving up on this year AND next.

AD wants to win. Could you imagine trying to tell him, "we are committed to winning we just need you to wait 2 more seasons."

Good luck with that.

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I would love to build a championship contender with Davis. I'm 100% comfortable building it without him if it comes to that. Those are the tough decision management has to make. What's the point of having AD if we are looking at fighting for the playoffs and 1st round exits every year anyways.

The key is we get a better player than what we would have been m the mid teens

Get Monroe, better position for next year, do need a guard since Allen is gone

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Originally Posted by soggymoss

Now that we have Mirotic, what would be the odds of Dell pulling off another trade?

Something like Ajinca and the 2nd rounder (with a future 2nd) for Elfrid Payton?

We could still sign Monroe and Liggins

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If Payton was a better shooter. I would like this

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Originally Posted by kinglio21093

Rodney Hood would be a great get too.

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Would be ideal

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

From all I've heard about achilles injuies it takes about 18months before athletes feel 100%. That's not to say he won't be able to play and/or in no risk of farther injury. Just that guys don't get full athleticism back.

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This guy ruptured his achilles last January, then looked like this 10 months later. Hell it was just the 9th game of this season. If this is 70/80%, then I'll take that from Demarcus. Plus signing a big like Mirotic should lessen the load for minutes, offense, and rebounds. So Cousins should be able to ease back in if need be.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

I would love to build a championship contender with Davis. I'm 100% comfortable building it without him if it comes to that. Those are the tough decision management has to make. What's the point of having AD if we are looking at fighting for the playoffs and 1st round exits every year anyways.

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The point is you don't have to search for your superstar because you already have him.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

You don't have a competitive sports background do you? Either that or you have one of the good crystal balls.

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I’ve played competitive sports but I’m also a realist when it comes to current landscape of the NBA. I just want to enjoy watching this team grow and temper my expectations for the time being. Too many fans are high strung over things that are out of their control.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The point is you don't have to search for your superstar because you already have him.

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http://www.pelicansreport.com/image....ine=1487744061

Is Nelson definitely gone? I keep reading reports that don't include him in the trade

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Is Nelson definitely gone? I keep reading reports that don't include him in the trade

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Yes he was in the deal according to Waj... Bulls will waive Allen and keep Nelson

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/959130105489645573

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

I’ve played competitive sports but I’m also a realist when it comes to current landscape of the NBA. I just want to enjoy watching this team grow and temper my expectations for the time being. Too many fans are high strung over things that are out of their control.

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LOL. I knew that "realist" word was coming. Hey I just heard a stat that the Houston Rockets are 21-1 when Harden/Paul/Capela all play. Guess who that 1 loss came against?

The word "realist" is one helluva overused word by sports fans. And as long as sports are played by human beings and not robots, nothing is out of their control.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The point is you don't have to search for your superstar because you already have him.

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Especially when you have 2 of them. Thus this team is never far away from competing for a championship. Just takes good health, good coaching and small tweaks after that.

But we have many "realist" fans so...

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Originally Posted by soggymoss

Yes he was in the deal according to Waj... Bulls will waive Allen and keep Nelson

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/959130105489645573

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Dang. I was probably low-key Nelson's biggest supporter here. Looked past his terrible defence and all that.

We really need another PG considering Rondo is a big ole flop

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

I’ve played competitive sports but I’m also a realist when it comes to current landscape of the NBA. I just want to enjoy watching this team grow and temper my expectations for the time being. Too many fans are high strung over things that are out of their control.

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.......kinda funny since Golden State is just a handful of seasons removed from being a sad loser franchise in a league that everyone was saying Miami would dominate for the next decade........

I think Klay is gone after this season for the Warriors. Aren't they gonna be a repeater tax team next year?

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Originally Posted by Primetime

Fair enough. But what qualifies as winning? A 1st round exit from the playoffs?

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For this season, yes.

We were likely headed towards that path pre-Boogie injury anyways.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

LOL. I knew that "realist" word was coming. Hey I just heard a stat that the Houston Rockets are 21-1 when Harden/Paul/Capela all play. Guess who that 1 loss came against?

The word "realist" is one helluva overused word by sports fans. And as long as sports are played by human beings and not robots, nothing is out of their control.

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Yeah, that word (realist) doesn’t mean what people think it means when referring to future scenarios. For example:

A realist position - as currently constituted, the Pelicans will be hard pressed to defeat the GSW in the playoffs.

A pessimist position - no one will EVER beat the GSW in the playoffs.


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Originally Posted by AusPel

Is Nelson definitely gone? I keep reading reports that don't include him in the trade

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Yes.
Change your ****** avi lol.

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Originally Posted by DaFranchise80

People, get this through your head, we are not winning anything of significance as long as the Warriors are in their prime. Let’s just enjoy a Memphis or CP3 Clippers type of playoff run until the salary cap catches up to Golden State, whenever that will be.

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I'd really like to make our first franchise conference final. Do that and I think Davis will stay. Don't and I think he will leave.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I think Klay is gone after this season for the Warriors. Aren't they gonna be a repeater tax team next year?

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lol no. I mean yes they'll be a tax team but they'll swallow it. The fact they gave Iggy and Livingston those contracts means they are cool with it.

I'm really disappointed no one has posted highlights of him. Here. All from just December.

https://youtu.be/7BFcSEIbuVc

https://youtu.be/QwriTSe_jPg

https://youtu.be/i8R-KHDqccY

https://youtu.be/H6ekQtkbuuQ

Pelifan, I see you are really enjoying your 15 minutes of fame, posting every 5 minutes with a lot of b.s. have fun and enjoy it

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Originally Posted by Sujaguar00

A realist position - as currently constituted, the Pelicans will be hard pressed to defeat the GSW in the playoffs.


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The above is NOT what was said. Find the caveated words "hard pressed" in the very hyperbolic quote I actually responded to here:

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People, get this through your head, we are not winning anything of significance as long as the Warriors are in their prime. Let’s just enjoy a Memphis or CP3 Clippers type of playoff run until the salary cap catches up to Golden State, whenever that will be.

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And a "realist" position and a "pessimist" position are not mutually exclusive. They can and most often is the exact same thing among grey sky fans.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I'm really disappointed no one has posted highlights of him. Here. All from just December.

https://youtu.be/7BFcSEIbuVc

https://youtu.be/QwriTSe_jPg

https://youtu.be/i8R-KHDqccY

https://youtu.be/H6ekQtkbuuQ

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I'm really pumped to have gotten him on this team. If he carries over this level of play he's showed this season, and he should with the amount of touches he will get, and with AD and Jrue drawing defenders' attention giving him more space for open looks.

He's not just a spot up shooter either. He can bring the ball up the court if needed, post moves, dribble pull-ups, so much more multi-dimensional than R-Anderson, and a better defender, too. Can't wait to see him (and Monroe ; ) out on the court giving the team a boost.

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Originally Posted by Liltiger

Pelifan, I see you are really enjoying your 15 minutes of fame, posting every 5 minutes with a lot of b.s. have fun and enjoy it

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Am I not allowed to freely talk basketball? Do you have to personally attack a poster?

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

Anyone who thinks we can turn around and move Mirotic for more value this offseason is wearing rose colored glasses. Mirotic loses value as he approaches the end of his contract. We also cant afford to resign Mirotic longterm so someone tell me what the realistic best case longterm scenario is?

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Wait, so you say that Asik (who is not an expiring in the offseason) is a more valuable contract than an expiring Mirotic? Why?

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

I'm really pumped to have gotten him on this team. If he carries over this level of play he's showed this season, and he should with the amount of touches he will get, and with AD and Jrue drawing defenders' attention giving him more space for open looks.

He's not just a spot up shooter either. He can bring the ball up the court if needed, post moves, dribble pull-ups, so much more multi-dimensional than R-Anderson, and a better defender, too. Can't wait to see him (and Monroe ; ) out on the court giving the team a boost.

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So I haven't watched the guy outside of these clips. Seems very much like Ryan Anderson in that if the ball hits his hands he's going up with it. Does he share when he has better talent around him?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

What is a mid late 1st round pick worth other than the magical "potential".

Odds are far higher that Mirotic is better than any player we would have drafted at our position and we got him while dumping Asik's contract.

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Exactly how I️ see it


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He runs the court way faster than cousins and has high endurance. He is a way better 3point shooter than boogie and a better offensive rebounder. The other big plus is he rarely turns the ball over so if boogie starts having turnovers we can put this guy in. It will help us so much more than I️ think people realize.


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Originally Posted by endlessHIMdark

So I haven't watched the guy outside of these clips. Seems very much like Ryan Anderson in that if the ball hits his hands he's going up with it. Does he share when he has better talent around him?

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He hasn't had better talent around him before so we will have to see. It's cut from a similar cloth as Ryan Anderson just without the 20m/yr contract.

The difference is, he has been far more efficient from every area of the floor than Anderson, is a better rebounder than Anderson, slightly more willing to pass the ball... Basically he is a younger, better, cheaper version of Anderson. When you compare their numbers against each other this year and then both at the age of 24 Mirotic is better in almost every single standard and advanced category, some to an overwhelming degree.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

The above is NOT what was said. Find the caveated words "hard pressed" in the very hyperbolic quote I actually responded to here:



And a "realist" position and a "pessimist" position are not mutually exclusive. They can and most often is the exact same thing among grey sky fans.

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I was completely agreeing with you. It was an attempt to delineate the difference between the two points of view.

Also, I’m struggling to grasp the concept of a realist and pessimist not being mutually exclusive. By definition, a realist accepts things as they are through no prism (there is orange juice in the glass). The pessimist however takes the negative view (the glass is half full of orange juice).

Back to basketball...Andre R. getting injured was huge for OKC because I think they are/ we’re built to challenge GS. 2 elite wing defenders (George/Andre) scoring from the PG position and a banger down low to rebound and defend the paint. That to me is the formula.


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The famous Asik own goal, watching it again I dispute that Omer tipped it in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_K...ature=youtu.be

Watch at 29 seconds. Duncan pretty clearly tips the ball towards the hoop, not Asik. See the follow through of his left hand

Yep, no doubt in my mind Duncan got it.

I apologise on behalf of the Interweb, Mr Asik. Although you could have done a better job clearing the ball from the hoop

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Especially when you have 2 of them. Thus this team is never far away from competing for a championship. Just takes good health, good coaching and small tweaks after that.

But we have many "realist" fans so...

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I’d be more optimistic if we didn’t have General Disarray as a head coach.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The point is you don't have to search for your superstar because you already have him.

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If we are consistently not getting superstar results(wins and loses not stats) then what's the point of having a superstar?

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Originally Posted by luckyman

This guy ruptured his achilles last January, then looked like this 10 months later. Hell it was just the 9th game of this season. If this is 70/80%, then I'll take that from Demarcus. Plus signing a big like Mirotic should lessen the load for minutes, offense, and rebounds. So Cousins should be able to ease back in if need be.

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No two people are the same. For example Wes Matthews blew his achilles 3 years ago and has never regained his full athleticism.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

If we are consistently not getting superstar results(wins and loses not stats) then what's the point of having a superstar?

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Because if you are ever going to win you need at least one and probably multiple.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

No two people are the same. For example Wes Matthews blew his achilles 3 years ago and has never regained his full athleticism.

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I haven't checked but I've read that Wes Matthews production has remained the same. No drop off post Achilles injury. Never really saw Matthews as athletic pre injury.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Because if you are ever going to win you need at least one and probably multiple.

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That's kind of the point though. We aren't having that superstar level success with the player. The ends results is ultimately what matters most. If we can get it without Davis no one will care. If we don't get it with Davis you get fired. How are we ever going to get that those players here. For as good as Cousins and Davis has been it hasn't been enough to make us true contenders. And so long as we keep giving away picks we can't get a solid chance at drafting one.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I haven't checked but I've read that Wes Matthews production has remained the same. No drop off post Achilles injury. Never really saw Matthews as athletic pre injury.

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You should check most of his advance metrics and all his shooting percentages are down post injury.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

That's kind of the point though. We aren't having that superstar level success with the player. The ends results is ultimately what matters most. If we can get it without Davis no one will care. If we don't get it with Davis you get fired. How are we ever going to get that those players here. For as good as Cousins and Davis has been it hasn't been enough to make us true contenders. And so long as we keep giving away picks we can't get a solid chance at drafting one.

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What superstar can carry a team with the amount of injuries we've had?

This season we were in 6th place when Cousins went down, had just hit a 4/5 game win streak with 7 of our last 8 being won, had the 2nd best record over the last 10 games in the entire NBA, and were 1 game out of 5th and 2/3 out of 4th place with over 30 games left to play. In their 1st full year together!

Don't give me the "we aren't getting superstar level success". We were! And they were doing it with 1/3 of our entire roster injured most of the season. I dare ANY superstar to try and carry a team to being contenders with only 10 healthy players and missing at times 3 starters.

We don't need to draft a superstar. We have *TWO* on the team. What we need is more rotation players on this team to back them up and health. You don't find that with mid / late 1st round picks until (if) they develop so they are useless to a team trying to compete now. You find that by making smart trades and free agent signings. Mirotic, Moore, Miller, Clark all were developed elsewhere and are now contributing members to our team. That's 4 players that are solid rotation players and our total cost of 1st round picks for them was 1, and we got a 2nd back anyway. I just don't understand how some people want to constantly chase this imaginary "potential" with 1st round picks and ignore what we have on the team already. There are many other ways to build a team than around the draft.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

No two people are the same. For example Wes Matthews blew his achilles 3 years ago and has never regained his full athleticism.

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While I agree that people are different... Wes has never been a super-athletic dude. He plays the same now as he did before the injury. I live in DFW and listen to the local sports radio shows, and when the Mavs signed him they said the same thing... Wes wasn't an explosive athlete. He is still a real good defender though... he can still stay in front of guys.

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What superstar can carry a team with the amount of injuries we've had?

This season we were in 6th place when Cousins went down, had just hit a 4/5 game win streak with 7 of our last 8 being won, had the 2nd best record over the last 10 games in the entire NBA, and were 1 game out of 5th and 2/3 out of 4th place with over 30 games left to play. In their 1st full year together!

Don't give me the "we aren't getting superstar level success". We were! And they were doing it with 1/3 of our entire roster injured most of the season. I dare ANY superstar to try and carry a team to being contenders with only 10 healthy players and missing at times 3 starters.

We don't need to draft a superstar. We have *TWO* on the team. I just don't understand how some people want to constantly chase this imaginary "potential" and ignore what we have on the team already.

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Had 2. Cousins is a FA and coming off an injury that routinely sees a player never coming back to full strength. This is the reality that seems to escape so many around here. And we had to get hot just to make it to the 6 seed. That's doesn't say contender. Again if this trade came before Cousins' injury I'm not nearly as critical I get the logic of doubling down on what we were doing. This trade comes post injury and that's what makes it illogical.

I'm not blaming Davis for this teams short coming you are pulling that out of no where. However he's not James, Durant, and Harden where just his presence means deep playoff runs. If he was that good then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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I'm not blaming Davis for this teams short coming you are pulling that out of no where. However he's not James, Durant, and Harden where just his presence means deep playoff runs. If he was that good then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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He's better than Harden by a landslide, and on an even keel with Durant. Durant has been gifted a career filled with a great coach, great organisation with great drafting and scouting and superstar teams (played with Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, Stevens during Thunder run, obviously now he's in golden state) and Harden has been picked as one of the League Favourites that come up occasionally.

AD has all that talent and all that skill: he's just not a guard in today's guard dominant league, and has never had the team that Durant has had around him.

Put AD on a team with Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, and Steven Adams, and watch him make the finals.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Had 2. Cousins is a FA and coming off an injury that routinely sees a player never coming back to full strength. This is the reality that seems to escape so many around here. And we had to get hot just to make it to the 6 seed. That's doesn't say contender. Again if this trade came before Cousins' injury I'm not nearly as critical I get the logic of doubling down on what we were doing. This trade comes post injury and that's what makes it illogical.

I'm not blaming Davis for this teams short coming you are pulling that out of no where. However he's not James, Durant, and Harden where just his presence means deep playoff runs. If he was that good then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Durant has always had an All Star PG running his team, he has NEVER shown he can single handedly carry a team to the deep playoffs. Harden has carried his team to the playoffs but again, he has NEVER shown he can single handedly carry a team to the deep playoffs. The ONLY player who has shown that and is currently in the NBA is Lebron and he is probably the 2nd best player ever and at least top 5.

NONE of those players have had the amount of injuries to their team over their entire career that AD has had to deal with.

So what solution are you suggesting? Never contend at all until we draft our next AD? Keep tanking until we find someone better than AD?

You named 3 players, let's be fair and say there are 5 players in the entire league who could by themselves carry a team to a deep playoff run every year. Lebron is probably the oldest on that list so let's give it 10 years even though he's played longer.

There has been 320 1st round picks drafted over the last 10 year and 5.......... FIVE can single handedly carry their teams to deep playoff runs every year and every single one was a lottery pick.

Let's say I strongly disagree with the idea we should wait for another AD.

We are giving up a mid / late non lottery 1st round pick while getting back a 2nd, getting a starting big that can ease Cousins back into the rotation next year, and dumped Asik while clearing roster spots to sign more players. That pick will odds are, never be even as good as Mirotic is right now.

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Durant has always had an All Star PG running his team, he has NEVER shown he can single handedly carry a team to the deep playoffs. Harden has carried his team to the playoffs but again, he has NEVER shown he can single handedly carry a team to the deep playoffs. The ONLY player who has shown that and is currently in the NBA is Lebron and he is probably the 2nd best player ever and at least top 5.

NONE of those players have had the amount of injuries to their team over their entire career that AD has had to deal with.

So what solution are you suggesting? Never contend at all until we draft our next AD? Keep tanking until we find someone better than AD?

You named 3 players, let's be fair and say there are 5 players in the entire league who could by themselves carry a team to a deep playoff run every year. Lebron is probably the oldest on that list so let's give it 10 years even though he's played longer.

There has been 320 1st round picks drafted over the last 10 year and 5.......... FIVE can single handedly carry their teams to deep playoff runs every year and every single one was a lottery pick.

Let's say I strongly disagree with the idea we should wait for another AD.

We are giving up a mid / late non lottery 1st round pick while getting back a 2nd, getting a starting big that can ease Cousins back into the rotation next year, and dumped Asik while clearing roster spots to sign more players. That pick will odds are, never be even as good as Mirotic is right now.

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Oh so we don't remember the year Westbrook was hurt?

Anyways. There's no great solution to these injuries they suck. However drafting remains the best way to turn small market teams around. Again just trading away picks for guys like Niko is IMO how we become a trendmill team.

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Oh so we don't remember the year Westbrook was hurt?

Anyways. There's no great solution to these injuries they suck. However drafting remains the best way to turn small market teams around. Again just trading away picks for guys like Niko is IMO how we become a trendmill team.

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You said deep playoffs *runs* as in he can do it continuously on his own. Durant has never proven that.

As far as drafting goes, what do we have to turn around? What would drafting a non lottery player add to a team with two superstars already? Niko is better than the player we would draft outside of the lottery. Heck, Niko is better than probably most of the guys in the lottery will be.

The draft is full of a lot more Misses than hits on players.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

What superstar can carry a team with the amount of injuries we've had?

This season we were in 6th place when Cousins went down, had just hit a 4/5 game win streak with 7 of our last 8 being won, had the 2nd best record over the last 10 games in the entire NBA, and were 1 game out of 5th and 2/3 out of 4th place with over 30 games left to play. In their 1st full year together!

Don't give me the "we aren't getting superstar level success". We were! And they were doing it with 1/3 of our entire roster injured most of the season. I dare ANY superstar to try and carry a team to being contenders with only 10 healthy players and missing at times 3 starters.

We don't need to draft a superstar. We have *TWO* on the team. What we need is more rotation players on this team to back them up and health. You don't find that with mid / late 1st round picks until (if) they develop so they are useless to a team trying to compete now. You find that by making smart trades and free agent signings. Mirotic, Moore, Miller, Clark all were developed elsewhere and are now contributing members to our team. That's 4 players that are solid rotation players and our total cost of 1st round picks for them was 1, and we got a 2nd back anyway. I just don't understand how some people want to constantly chase this imaginary "potential" with 1st round picks and ignore what we have on the team already. There are many other ways to build a team than around the draft.

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This post says it all! We outplayed and outcoached Houston in Boogies last game. It was all coming together. We were finally, after players getting to know each other, getting the superstar results.

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You said deep playoffs *runs* as in he can do it continuously on his own. Durant has never proven that.

As far as drafting goes, what do we have to turn around? What would drafting a non lottery player add to a team with two superstars already? Niko is better than the player we would draft outside of the lottery. Heck, Niko is better than probably most of the guys in the lottery will be.

The draft is full of a lot more Misses than hits on players.

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This whole post is completely ignorant. How do you know who would be available or where our pick would end? Mirotic will only be a Pelican guaranteed for 1.5 seasons. A rookie at the very least 5. This is how you team build when you aren't a hot bed for FA. That plus it gives you way more flexibility. The reason why these injuries are so deflating is we gamble too much. Philly has dealt with similar injuries yet they ars still in a much better position because their players were drafted there.

wrong use of the word ignorant, Throne. He may be misguided in your opinion, but it is far from ignorant