Pelicans talking with Rondo about a 1 year deal {updated - Signed}

Dell Demps,

Get the deal done.

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Originally Posted by rezburna

Dell Demps,

Get the deal done.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That is a COMPLETELY different argument than Dell has done nothing. Not allowing Jrue to walk in free agency has a drastic effect on the team whether you agree with the move or not.

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If he is upset at Dell doing nothing. Relatively speaking, Dell has made more moves (meaningful) than half of the league. I Portlands GM must really be sitting on his hands.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

If he is upset at Dell doing nothing. Relatively speaking, Dell has made more moves (meaningful) than half of the league. I Portlands GM must really be sitting on his hands.

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And what's Dallas done? They haven't even re-signed Noel!

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Originally Posted by Impose

Ok, we get it, you're pleased with our GM for retaining a free agent. I think the Pels GM should get more done at this critical juncture. Thanks for sharing.

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Then say you aren't happy with the moves made or you want more moves. Don't say Dell has done nothing and then argue with people when they tell you otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

If he is upset at Dell doing nothing. Relatively speaking, Dell has made more moves (meaningful) than half of the league. I Portlands GM must really be sitting on his hands.

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The people complaining about Dell's lack of moves would be the same people complaining if Dell made a trade earlier that they deemed "bad" or we "gave up too much".

Dell keeps from making a bad trade and doesn't rush to sign just any free agent and he gets just as much flack from people as if he had done a bad move.

There needs to be some middle ground where we can actually wait to see what happens before we all jump off the cliff. It's easy to blame Dell, but hard to just wait.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

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Perfect! Absolutely spot on!!

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Originally Posted by billfromfinance

I think we can all move along now hey? No need to make this any bigger than it already is.

IF we were to sign Rondo, it would be nice to have a high bbiq player who can feed the bigs. shooting is not something you would put in the plus column. I think the real question is the regular season motivation - he is a smart guy, he needs to challenge himself and the team to perform together. Whatever it is going to take to work night in and out. Being that the team has two big stars and real potential, could it burn a few internal embers that this could be a real opportunity to do something? A locked in starting unit of rondo/jrue/hill/ad/boogie on the defensive end alone would be a nightmare to deal with, but that takes hard work. Whether he even comes on board is the first question, getting ahead of myself haha.

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That is the reason why I wouldnt mind a one year deal. This unit has a lot of potential - especially defensively. Rondo has great playmaking ability which we all think is Jrue's weakness. I would rather get a very good shooter at SG but I as I said I wouldnt mind this experiment. There is risk but there is also a big chance it could work out really well. I think he could get really motivated playing together with Cousins, AD and Jrue. When he was motivated he played well (playoffs last year). Also I always hated the alle-yoop passes to AD cause they were never good passes and I always had the impression that AD was going to get injured. I think he would be safer with Rondo's passes.

Can we sign Rondo and keep Dante?

Bench consisting of Cook, Moore, the rook, Miller, Dante, Diallo, Ajinca wouldnt be too bad imo.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

The people complaining about Dell's lack of moves would be the same people complaining if Dell made a trade earlier that they deemed "bad" or we "gave up too much".

Dell keeps from making a bad trade and doesn't rush to sign just any free agent and he gets just as much flack from people as if he had done a bad move.

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Your read my mind

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

Can we sign Rondo and keep Dante?

Bench consisting of Cook, Moore, the rook, Miller, Dante, Diallo, Ajinca wouldnt be too bad imo.

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Yes we can

Also you forgot Crawford

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

Can we sign Rondo and keep Dante?

Bench consisting of Cook, Moore, the rook, Miller, Dante, Diallo, Ajinca wouldnt be too bad imo.

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All depends on amounts. We can go over the cap to sign Dante but depending how we handled things hard cap might be an issue. Credit 42 for the hardcap stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

All depends on amounts. We can go over the cap to sign Dante but depending how we handled things hard cap might be an issue. Credit 42 for the hardcap stuff.

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how big Rondo's contract would block us to sign Dante?

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Originally Posted by PolishFan

how big Rondo's contract would block us to sign Dante?

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That would be a question better suited to 42 and his article on BSS. I'd link it but I'm not at home and tied up at the moment.

Based purely off of memory which could be entirely wrong I think we are somewhere around 7m from the hard cap. So both would need to fit inside of that... Excluding any moves we made to lessen our cap hit like releasing non guaranteed contracts. Again, that could be totally off.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That would be a question better suited to 42 and his article on BSS. I'd link it but I'm not at home and tied up at the moment.

Based purely off of memory which could be entirely wrong I think we are somewhere around 7m from the hard cap. So both would need to fit inside of that... Excluding any moves we made to lessen our cap hit like releasing non guaranteed contracts. Again, that could be totally off.

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He should be offered at most one dollar less :)

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That would be a question better suited to 42 and his article on BSS. I'd link it but I'm not at home and tied up at the moment.

Based purely off of memory which could be entirely wrong I think we are somewhere around 7m from the hard cap. So both would need to fit inside of that... Excluding any moves we made to lessen our cap hit like releasing non guaranteed contracts. Again, that could be totally off.

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You only have to be under the hard cap by June/July of next year when the cap is calculated, that's why there's no big rush to dump Asik as of right now.

At least that's what I think

I would love to take a course on the NBA CBA if there was one, it's so ludicrous yet fascinating at the same time. And I'd love to be able to understand it all fully

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Originally Posted by AusPel

You only have to be under the hard cap by June/July of next year when the cap is calculated, that's why there's no big rush to dump Asik as of right now.

At least that's what I think

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Some of the calculations have changed this year. For instance, the way I understand it is the luxury tax limits are based on actual payments and not the cap figures at a certain date. Not sure if determination of hard cap restrictions are the same.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Yes we can

Also you forgot Crawford

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Don;t forget the grits!

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Some of the calculations have changed this year. For instance, the way I understand it is the luxury tax limits are based on actual payments and not the cap figures at a certain date. Not sure if determination of hard cap restrictions are the same.

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This was my understanding too but I'm waiting for Larry Coon to finish updating the CBAFAQ before I start reading about it again.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

And what's Dallas done? They haven't even re-signed Noel!

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Noel is RFA. Dallas gave him an offer. Noel wants more. Nobody on this market has more (KCP money or even more).
Somebody will have to negotiate...

Deal done, per Shams

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Originally Posted by Mr. West

Deal done, per Shams

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Yessss!

Free agent Rajon Rondo has reached agreement on a one-year deal with the New Orleans Pelicans, league sources tell The Vertical.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 15, 2017

Yay.................

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Originally Posted by Impose

The fact is that other teams were very actively looking to move pieces that could have helped our team and Dell lost out or didn't bother.

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You lose most, if not all of the credibility of your points when you throw out a statement like this. To suggest that a person of his high professional achievement doesn't even bother to try and improve his product is ludicrous. And by "high professional achievement" I mean that he has attained the position of NBA General Manager, a position that not many people in history can claim that they held. People like that don't get to be people like that by sitting on their hands. KnowWhatIMean, Vern?

I'd say that pretty much solidifies our starting line-up Rondo/Holiday/Hill/Davis/Cousins, so that's something to be exciting about. And that should give way to filling out our bench, especially with adept 3-point shooters.

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Good signing.

I love it...

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New Orleans was $3.7M below the luxury tax heading in today. Spending more than $4.2M of the mid-level would hard cap the Pelicans.

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 15, 2017

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

New Orleans was $3.7M below the luxury tax heading in today. Spending more than $4.2M of the mid-level would hard cap the Pelicans.

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 15, 2017

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4.1M it is

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Originally Posted by Rheem654

I'd say that pretty much solidifies our starting line-up Rondo/Holiday/Hill/Davis/Cousins, so that's something to be exciting about. And that should give way to filling out our bench, especially with adept 3-point shooters.

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This could be really nice if we can sign Dante & I have a feeling Cook is going to be back-up. We still can probably make several moves regarding Ajinca & possibly Etwaun. I would take Afflalo on a lesser deal. He would be a cheaper Etwaun.

It's a 1 year deal so I'm not super worried about the cost but I am interested in the numbers to know what kind of space we have to work with for resigning Cunningham, etc.

As far as the move goes itself, could there be better fits, players I want more, etc? Absolutely. But the two things I feel are really good reasons to do this are 1) It makes us not desperate to make a move. 2) It doesn't tie us into anything long term and retains our flexibility to make other moves. Bonus) It makes Cousins happy.

Signing Rondo means we can go into the season with our starting lineup intact without needing to make a big trade for someone. It means we aren't desperate and we will only make a move if it's fair instead of another GM trying to take us over the coals.

It also means we don't have long term money tied up and can still make a trade if we see fit. We still have all of our assets and depending on the contract will probably still be able to sign another player or two.

Basically, I'd love to have Bledsoe, but if Phoenix is demanding too much, then Rondo will work for 1 year. Then next summer or at the trade deadline we can make a move for another player that is more of a long term fit.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

This could be really nice if we can sign Dante & I have a feeling Cook is going to be back-up. We still can probably make several moves regarding Ajinca & possibly Etwaun. I would take Afflalo on a lesser deal. He would be a cheaper Etwaun.

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Afflalo is cooked. Moore is easily the better defender too

After looking further into Rondo, I love it. Still need shooters. But this is a huge piece, his leadership and toughness is something this team lacks outside of Cousins. And we know he can run an offense.

Thrilled by this news

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

New Orleans was $3.7M below the luxury tax heading in today. Spending more than $4.2M of the mid-level would hard cap the Pelicans.

— Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42) July 15, 2017

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This is assuming we don't release one of those non guaranteed contracts. Even so, we don't have much wiggle room.

I wonder if we will be able to fit Cunningham in or not.

We finally signed someone!! Not a shooter but at least a vet PG that will make Big Cuz happy.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Afflalo is cooked. Moore is easily the better defender too

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Wait, what? Afflalo shot 41% from 3 last year. Average almost 9 pts per game. I would much rather pay Afflalo 5 mill to be a back-up than pay Moore 8 million to be a 15 minute per game guy. What does cooked mean,exactly?

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I would really love him to be leading the 2nd unit with say him, Moore and cousins. Before people go crazy I think Davis or cousins will be on the floor at all times so just saying when cousins in without Davis then Moore and rondo will be with him. I hope one more trade is in the works to have Jrue and Davis have a 3rd wheel when it's just them.

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Originally Posted by MistaWhoDat

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Niiice, ya'll quick with that

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Wait, what? Afflalo shot 41% from 3 last year. Average almost 9 pts per game. I would much rather pay Afflalo 5 mill to be a back-up than pay Moore 8 million to be a 15 minute per game guy. What does cooked mean,exactly?

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I'm not sure trading away Moore's contract means we could have Afflalo and 3 mil extra dollars. We can't sign Afflalo into space as we have none

And as I said, Moore is the better defender

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I would really love him to be leading the 2nd unit with say him, Moore and cousins. Before people go crazy I think Davis or cousins will be on the floor at all times so just saying when cousins in without Davis the Moore and rondo will be with him. I hope one more trade is in the works to have Jrue and Davis have a 3rd wheel when it's just them.

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No I agree. I would love to see him control the ball for the second unit and clutch situations.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

It's a 1 year deal so I'm not super worried about the cost but I am interested in the numbers to know what kind of space we have to work with for resigning Cunningham, etc.

As far as the move goes itself, could there be better fits, players I want more, etc? Absolutely. But the two things I feel are really good reasons to do this are 1) It makes us not desperate to make a move. 2) It doesn't tie us into anything long term and retains our flexibility to make other moves. Bonus) It makes Cousins happy.

Signing Rondo means we can go into the season with our starting lineup intact without needing to make a big trade for someone. It means we aren't desperate and we will only make a move if it's fair instead of another GM trying to take us over the coals.

It also means we don't have long term money tied up and can still make a trade if we see fit. We still have all of our assets and depending on the contract will probably still be able to sign another player or two.

Basically, I'd love to have Bledsoe, but if Phoenix is demanding too much, then Rondo will work for 1 year. Then next summer or at the trade deadline we can make a move for another player that is more of a long term fit.

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Good stuff. Yea, I think it's safe to say this puts the Bledsoe/Lin/Knight/Reggie Jackson scenarios to rest for now. And we still have that prized 2018 1st to add wing depth and/or dump Asik/Ajinca salary. A straight up Asik+1st for J. Dudley could make a lot of sense for both sides.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I'm not sure trading away Moore's contract means we could have Afflalo and 3 mil extra dollars. We can't sign Afflalo into space as we have none

And as I said, Moore is the better defender

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We can make room for Afflalo. Plus, I don't care about Moore's 15 minutes of defense. I want a spacer & Afflalo is a much better fit on offense. I'm not talking about starters here. We need scorers. We have Jrue , Grits & Moore. Moore's 8 million is expendable.

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Originally Posted by Tinman

We can make room for Afflalo. Plus, I don't care about Moore's 15 minutes of defense. I want a spacer & Afflalo is a much better fit on offense. I'm not talking about starters here. We need scorers. We have Jrue , Grits & Moore. Moore's 8 million is expendable.

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'To make room' would need a whole other set of moves like moving Asik, Ajinca and Moore and that's a whole other kettle of fish

League source said DeMarcus Cousins played a "pivotal" role in bringing Rajon Rondo to the #Pelicans.

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) July 15, 2017

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Originally Posted by jprdbulldog20

League source said DeMarcus Cousins played a "pivotal" role in bringing Rajon Rondo to the #Pelicans.

— Scott Kushner (@ScottDKushner) July 15, 2017

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