Norris Cole to Pels

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Originally Posted by Npliam

Better defender, worse on the offensive end.....Yeah, landslide

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How is he worse offensively? Passing counts. Playmaking counts. Where exactly has Jimmer been better this year offensively? FT line? Okay, fine, Monty can put him in when we are up 2 with 10 seconds left

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Originally Posted by Npliam

He plays selfish basketball and that doesn't lead to winning if you are the point guard.

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But he has 2 championship rings..your right he isn't a winner. How many does Jimmer have? He will be like the heat here. He will play defense and only shoot maybe 8 shots a game.


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Originally Posted by JunkHead

NEWS: #Pelicans waive Ish Smith - http://t.co/jZznDcz4xb

— New Orleans Pelicans (@PelicansNBA) February 20, 2015

Well there goes Smith.

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Smith's don't have a great track record here....

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

How is he worse offensively? Passing counts. Playmaking counts. Where exactly has Jimmer been better this year offensively? FT line? Okay, fine, Monty can put him in when we are up 2 with 10 seconds left

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If you look at totals Cole has been better but he has played a ton more.
Jimmer has a higher Per 13.2 to 9.3
Jimmer is shooting a higher percentage from 2 47% to 44%
Cole has an advantage in assists at 4.1 to 5.2 and their turnovers are almost even. 1.9 for Jimmer and 1.8 for Cole.
Neither has shot the ball well from 3 this year but Jimmer has been much better for their careers

As you pointed out Jimmer is also a better free throw shooter and gets there twice as often.

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Originally Posted by msw2024

But he has 2 championship rings..your right he isn't a winner. How many does Jimmer have? He will be like the heat here. He will play defense and only shoot maybe 8 shots a game.


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Sigh.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_...,_born_1989%29

I am glad we got one of the Heats Big 3 cornerstones. I feel like we are the Heat and Cole is Ray Allen. The balance of power in the West has shifted boys! Get your ring finger sized...on both hands!

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am glad we got one of the Heats Big 3 cornerstones. I feel like we are the Heat and Cole is Ray Allen. The balance of power in the West has shifted boys! Get your ring finger sized...on both hands!

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Mhmm!

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Originally Posted by Npliam

If you look at totals Cole has been better but he has played a ton more.
Jimmer has a higher Per 13.2 to 9.3
Jimmer is shooting a higher percentage from 2 47% to 44%
Cole has an advantage in assists at 4.1 to 5.2 and their turnovers are almost even. 1.9 for Jimmer and 1.8 for Cole.
Neither has shot the ball well from 3 this year but Jimmer has been much better for their careers

As you pointed out Jimmer is also a better free throw shooter and gets there twice as often.

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Okay....Jimmer IMO has two good qualities as a basketball player.....free throw shooting and 3 point shooting....His has failed at the latter. Seating in my seat watching Jimmer struggle defensively on and off the ball is hard to stomach. He offense doesn't push the needle enough to compensate for his lack of defense....Long story short. Jimmer should only play during garbage time....

PG: Evans/Cole/Fredette
SG: Gordon/Cole
SF: Cunningham/Pondexter
PF: Davis/Anderson
C: Asik/Ajinca/Whithey

Not a bad rotation for now. With Cole coming over I think we've solidified the backup PG hole for the rest of the season. Considering Dell has managed to acquire Pondexter, Cunningham and now Cole to bolster our bench rotation during the season, I'd say he's done fairly well given the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Npliam

If you look at totals Cole has been better but he has played a ton more.
Jimmer has a higher Per 13.2 to 9.3
Jimmer is shooting a higher percentage from 2 47% to 44%
Cole has an advantage in assists at 4.1 to 5.2 and their turnovers are almost even. 1.9 for Jimmer and 1.8 for Cole.
Neither has shot the ball well from 3 this year but Jimmer has been much better for their careers

As you pointed out Jimmer is also a better free throw shooter and gets there twice as often.

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I realize this news hurts your soul. But just move on. It's pathetic to try and argue it. This white man can't jump.

If Jimmer was worth anything we wouldn't have had to make this move. He had his shot and sucked. He hit a few FT's and made his floater. He did not run the offense or play defense well and the biggest reason he was brought here (3 pt shooting) he has been down right abysmal.

Cole brings playoff experience, can run an offense, and has shown he at least deserves to be on the court as a backup down year or not. That's why he is here and will get the backup job.

Dat needle mover

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Originally Posted by AD23MVP

PG: Evans/Cole/Fredette
SG: Gordon/Cole
SF: Cunningham/Pondexter
PF: Davis/Anderson
C: Asik/Ajinca/Whithey

Not a bad rotation for now. With Cole coming over I think we've solidified the backup PG hole for the rest of the season. Considering Dell has managed to acquire Pondexter, Cunningham and now Cole to bolster our bench rotation during the season, I'd say he's done fairly well given the circumstances.

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I agree with everything you said but I think Cole may be the starter until Holiday comes back due to floor spacing.

But I could be wrong. I dunno how Monty is going to set up his starting lineup but I'm just glad we have another ball handler on the team!

You think so? That would be an intriguing move by Monty. I have to believe he doesn't want to move Tyreke back to SF or the bench as long as Jrue is out. But I'm with you, it's a good pick-up either way.

Norris Cole is a bonehead.

Did you see that play with he and Whiteside where they too the ball over the baseline for no reason?

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

Norris Cole is a bonehead.

Did you see that play with he and Whiteside where they too the ball over the baseline for no reason?

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We should definitely judge every player by one play. Thats how I will do my analysis moving forward.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We should definitely judge every player by one play. Thats how I will do my analysis moving forward.

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It will get your job done faster. I'm not sure how long you will have it though!

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We should definitely judge every player by one play. Thats how I will do my analysis moving forward.

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Perfect response.

But what about the other single play where he broke D-Rose ankles? That was a stupid play too?

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

But what about the other single play where he broke D-Rose ankles? That was a stupid play too?

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Or the single play where he defended Kyrie 1-on-1 with the game on the line and stripped him clean for the win?

Does that make him the GOAT?

Cole can play defense and is definitely a decent backup pg. why all the complaints??????????

Damn, I missed all the madness.

I am sad. As I was earlier in the season when everything was hijacked by negativity, now every damn thread is hijacked by Fredette.

In fact, that's it. The last time I type that name this year is right now. Jimmer Fredette.

If we all talked about John Salmons the amount of time we talk about him, we'd be hockey fans by the end of the season.

I will never engage the topic again. I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

Norris Cole is a bonehead.

Did you see that play with he and Whiteside where they too the ball over the baseline for no reason?

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Are you being serious, its hard to tell sarcasm on the internet?

That play does show a bit of Cole's BBIQ. I mean, who does that? I am not going to say that that one play defines a career, but that's day one rec league stuff.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

That play does show a bit of Cole's BBIQ. I mean, who does that? I am not going to say that that one play defines a career, but that's day one rec league stuff.

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To be fair, something close to that happens 50 times a year and refs don't call it. It was a brain fart, but his is not one of the lower IQ guys on this team, thats for sure

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

We should definitely judge every player by one play. Thats how I will do my analysis moving forward.

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I hear a lot more negativity towards Cole on message boards than I do positivity.

Maybe I'm wrong and he's above average.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

I hear a lot more negativity towards Cole on message boards than I do positivity.

Maybe I'm wrong and he's above average.

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So now you let message boards make up your mind for you? Why not spend some time looking into him yourself, watch a few games, etc. and then form your own opinion?

I am not the smartest man in the world (and I didn't stay in a Holliday Inn last night), but when looking at Jimmer and Coles DRtg Cole is 110, Jimmer's 112. Cole's ORtg is 93 and Jimmer's 103.

I think Cole will be given opportunities like every other guy (on a 10 day contract has), but I have a feeling that we might be going back to the Jimmer well before all is said and done.

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Originally Posted by Perth_Hornet

I hear a lot more negativity towards Cole on message boards than I do positivity.

Maybe I'm wrong and he's above average.

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To me, this is conjecture, and a difference in perspective.

The Heat fans wanted their championship winning starting PG to help ease the burden of losing lebron..... in their perspective.

The Pelicans have trotted out the likes of Austin Rivers, Gal Mekel, Nate Wolters, and Tony Douglas as the backup ball handler. In our perspective, I'm willing to wager that he'll be a breath of fresh air..

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

So now you let message boards make up your mind for you? Why not spend some time looking into him yourself, watch a few games, etc. and then form your own opinion?

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I'm not in the position to watch full games and haven't been for while now.

It's he anything more than a serviceable back up?

Does he bring more than Douglas?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am not the smartest man in the world (and I didn't stay in a Holliday Inn last night), but when looking at Jimmer and Coles DRtg Cole is 110, Jimmer's 112. Cole's ORtg is 93 and Jimmer's 103.

I think Cole will be given opportunities like every other guy (on a 10 day contract has), but I have a feeling that we might be going back to the Jimmer well before all is said and done.

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While I agree with the overall premise that Cole will be given Jimmers minutes initially and then Jimmer will outplay him to the point that he takes back his minutes I don't think you can use DTR and OTR on different teams to justify anything. The numbers don't really work like that.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am not the smartest man in the world (and I didn't stay in a Holliday Inn last night), but when looking at Jimmer and Coles DRtg Cole is 110, Jimmer's 112. Cole's ORtg is 93 and Jimmer's 103.

I think Cole will be given opportunities like every other guy (on a 10 day contract has), but I have a feeling that we might be going back to the Jimmer well before all is said and done.

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Remember how terrible Q-Pon's numbers looked when he came over, including the beloved Ortg and Drtg?

Sometimes it goes beyond that. Let's wait and see. Skill set wise, he provides Monty with what he will want. Intangible-wise, ditto.

Guy got major minutes in the playoffs on a title winning team. If anybody thinks Jimmer could have done that, they are out of their minds. Jimmer couldn't get run on the Kings.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I am not the smartest man in the world (and I didn't stay in a Holliday Inn last night), but when looking at Jimmer and Coles DRtg Cole is 110, Jimmer's 112. Cole's ORtg is 93 and Jimmer's 103.

I think Cole will be given opportunities like every other guy (on a 10 day contract has), but I have a feeling that we might be going back to the Jimmer well before all is said and done.

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In the basketballreference wourld, both Pondexter and Cunningham are not at all good. Austin Rivers also isn't terrible there.... I'm not sure that's the whole story.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Remember how terrible Q-Pon's numbers looked when he came over, including the beloved Ortg and Drtg?

Sometimes it goes beyond that. Let's wait and see. Skill set wise, he provides Monty with what he will want. Intangible-wise, ditto.

Guy got major minutes in the playoffs on a title winning team. If anybody thinks Jimmer could have done that, they are out of their minds. Jimmer couldn't get run on the Kings.

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Jimmer could play with Lebron, Wade and Bosh.....anybody that thinks he couldn't is out of their minds.

Pretty much any player in the league including most of the players in the D-league could play with those 3.

Cole is a perfect fit for this team, one thing you can't about this team that don't know kind of players they want to build a franchise with.

I don't think you have to be a Jimmer homer to think Jimmer can stand his ground against Cole. Remember, Cole might have gotten starter minuets, but he was the BJ Armstrong, Rick Fox, Mario Ellie of the crew...not Horace Grant, Ron Harper, or Sean Elliot. Cole should be given the underwhelming Jimmer's min's, but in the end, I think the pendulum swings back to us needing to sign a backup pg in the offseason.

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Originally Posted by Npliam

Jimmer could play with Lebron, Wade and Bosh.....anybody that thinks he couldn't is out of their minds.

Pretty much any player in the league including most of the players in the D-league could play with those 3.

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Whatever fits your argument. No need to waste time arguing. Jimmer is the man, how dare I?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Whatever fits your argument. No need to waste time arguing. Jimmer is the man, how dare I?

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Look dude, your opinion on basketball isn't more valid than mine. If you think I am wrong then tell me why. Don't pretend I said something I didn't say to make your argument sound stronger than it is.

I think we can all be happy that one way or the other, this offseason the Pels can do what they want with Cole. With him being a RFA we can let the market set his value, and step back and determine if he is worth keeping.

It looks like Norris likes the nickname Cole Train....

I'm not sure what people expected us to do. Norris Cole is as good a backup to acquire as any. Has loads of experience on very, very good teams and some NBA rings he participated heavily in.

Also, y'all slippin'. Where's the obligatory highlight vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UbrVv93aQ

the fact that people are arguing jimmer fredette is just as good as Norris Cole is one of the biggest jokes and most embarrassing things i have read on this forum in a long time.

Almost as embarrassing as when people were really upset we gave up "the mad ant" russ smith for QPON. Have y'all ever watched basketball before? Is this real life?

Its embarrassing to read this stuff.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Remember how terrible Q-Pon's numbers looked when he came over, including the beloved Ortg and Drtg?

Sometimes it goes beyond that. Let's wait and see. Skill set wise, he provides Monty with what he will want. Intangible-wise, ditto.

Guy got major minutes in the playoffs on a title winning team. If anybody thinks Jimmer could have done that, they are out of their minds. Jimmer couldn't get run on the Kings.

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MM please don't reply to this ridiculous opinion, its a waste of time and validates people thinking they can write this absolute garbage on a basketball forum.

This is mind bottling.

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Originally Posted by heybigmatt

the fact that people are arguing jimmer fredette is just as good as Norris Cole is one of the biggest jokes and most embarrassing things i have read on this forum in a long time.

Almost as embarrassing as when people were really upset we gave up "the mad ant" russ smith for QPON. Have y'all ever watched basketball before? Is this real life?

Its embarrassing to read this stuff.

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Hell, at this point you could say that Norris Cole is a better 3pt shooter than the guy we brought in specifically to be a 3pt shooter.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Hell, at this point you could say that Norris Cole is a better 3pt shooter than the guy we brought in specifically to be a 3pt shooter.

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You could for this season.

Jesus Christ people STOP TRYING TO MAKE JIMMER A THING!!! He sucks get over it. He was the big time scorer in college but he's trash in the NBA. He's not the great white hope.. get over it. He can't control an offense with a crap, can't play defense, and can't hit a 3 to save his life. Cole can play defense, control an offense, and unselfish.

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Originally Posted by heybigmatt

MM please don't reply to this ridiculous opinion, its a waste of time and validates people thinking they can write this absolute garbage on a basketball forum.

This is mind bottling.

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Can't we just all stop engaging..... lack of attention kills this motivation I believe.

I want to be clear. Norris Cole is a good pickup for the team. He came at the expense of a player that was never going to play. It was a good trade.

I think Luigi Datome will come in and take Gerald Wallace's minutes.....but eventually Gerald will step up and take Luigi's rotation spot... proving something or other....


Who cares you ask?


Good Question.

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Originally Posted by Npliam

Jimmer could play with Lebron, Wade and Bosh.....anybody that thinks he couldn't is out of their minds.

Pretty much any player in the league including most of the players in the D-league could play with those 3.

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