Game Thread: Kings @ Hornets

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Originally Posted by AUSSIE_PELICAN

I know i'm going to get burned here but I just read AGAIN that CP3 hasn't made a decision on his future.

I know its about a 1% chance that he would com eback to NO, but my main reason for bringing this up is:

Do the Clippers hold the cards with his salary?
Would he earn more with the Clippers than if he decided to go elsewhere and by how much?

Thanks and sorry for the CP3 dreaming question.

But this would instantly be an awesome team:

Paul/Vasquez
Gordon/Rivers
2013 pick/Aminu
Davis/Anderson
Lopez/Smith

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He would get an extra year on his contract, which could be like 18 million more, I think.

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Originally Posted by Nola3

Yes, the Clippers can offer another year and more money each year of the contract than anyone else if I'm not mistaken.

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

He would get an extra year on his contract, which could be like 18 million more, I think.

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TY

Davis went 20 and 8 in 28 minutes? Nice. How'd he do his scoring? Put backs, dunks? Or more?

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Davis went 20 and 8 in 28 minutes? Nice. How'd he do his scoring? Put backs, dunks? Or more?

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A bit of everything, including lobs and like 2 20 foot jumpers.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Davis went 20 and 8 in 28 minutes? Nice. How'd he do his scoring? Put backs, dunks? Or more?

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A bunch of dunks and a couple of impressive jumpshots. I believe I heard Jen Hale said 16 of his 20 came in the paint.

Apparently Bob Licht sat in for Sean Kelley on the radio tonight.

Please tell me he said "BOTTOM!" at least once.

I didn't hear the broadcast but I heard him on this Gordon post-game interview.

http://www.nba.com/hornets/post-game-eric-gordon-22413


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That dude got some serious bounce.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That dude got some serious bounce.

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It helps that he jumped off of Lopez's leg. lol Refs actually called the foul there, which was surprising.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

That dude got some serious bounce.

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Haha, he was jumping off Lopez. Kicked him in the chest once, and the refs finally called it. Dude just jumps off of people to get higher, but he doesn't jump THAT high :hihi:

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

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If that was available in high res... it would make an AWESOME background

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Originally Posted by Rocket Man

If that was available in high res... it would make an AWESOME background

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Or better yet, 3-D :eek:

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Ben Maller ‏@benmaller
Hornets Greivis Vasquez and LeBron James are ONLY two players in NBA to record at least six games of 20 points, 10 assists and five rebs

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Originally Posted by HunnyB

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The thing is that Vasquez's numbers are empty, while LeBron has a massive effect on the game. Vasquez is a passing PG who can't anticipate plays... That is bad. Love him as a backup, but I don't know if he is okay with that role.

I'm not sure if Vasquez is even capable of staying in front of any PG off the dribble.

I'd like to take a look at CJ McCollum.

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

The fact that robinson was moved isn't that crazy. What's crazy is the complete garbage Kings got back. Robinson wasn't playing well, but you don't get scraps back when you trade a top 5 pick only 50 games in.

Oh well.

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The problem with this approach is that it uses logic. You need to put your Maloof hat on..

Cash considerations

They've been bleeding the Kings dry for years, they're in a huge amount of debt.

Most Kings fans are livid about the deal, and view it as another Maloof attempt to sell them out, yet again.

We're a fan-base that can probably empathise with what they're going through.

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

The thing is that Vasquez's numbers are empty, while LeBron has a massive effect on the game. Vasquez is a passing PG who can't anticipate plays... That is bad. Love him as a backup, but I don't know if he is okay with that role.

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This is getting out of hand. I went to Espn forums, Kings forums, and other sports sites and All fans were praising Vasquez. I almost made a thread on this. Most people were calling him a beast, future All-Star, and even Steve Nash lite. I think alot of Hornets fans really. Underate their own players and overate others (Tyreke Evans, Really?)

I understand the angle on Vasquez that his shortcomings are hard to overcome and that a championship team needs a better starting PG, but calling someone's numbers empty is just... I'm gonna put it nicely and call it ridiculous.

Yeah, Vasquez's numbers aren't empty. He has shortcomings, and we all understand that, but to discredit some of the work he's doing this year is shortsighted.

So pretty much since we have 20 wins what GV has done isn't as impressive.

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Originally Posted by RaisingTheBar

So pretty much since we have 20 wins what GV has done isn't as impressive.

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And GV is a passing PG...

Ben Maller ‏@benmaller
Hornets Greivis Vasquez and LeBron James are ONLY two players in NBA to record at least six games of 20 points, 10 assists and five rebs


:hihi: I just don't even know how to respond to that.

If you want empty stats, go look at Ricky Davis' career. He played for himself and not his team. I don't think this is the case for Vasquez.

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Great all-around win for the home team. We still go into periods where we turn it over or just do something stupid and let a team back in the game QUICKLY. I realize bball is a "game of runs" but the runs we give up are self-inflicted.

That comes with youth though... they'll learn how to limit those (I hope). great win though. Now we get BK.

Saying Vasquez's numbers are empty is harsh, but I do believe that there is a different value in assists.

For example, last night Greivis' assists broke down like this:

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1- Gordon comes off screen and works his way into the paint for a layup

2- Jason Thompson sags off Davis, basically happens right in front of GV

3- Give and go type play, GV gives it to Lopez, Lopez back to GV, GV gets into lane after Jason Thompson comes out to guard him then gives it back to Lopez. *

4- DeMarcus Cousins falls asleep on defense and GV finds him, Lopez works his way into the paint for a layup.

5- GV dribbles below the arc and turns around and passes to a open Mason for 3.

6- Gordon gets the steal, gives the ball to GV who jogs it up the court, GV hands it back to Gordon above the 3pt line who basically walks into a layup.

7- Handoff to Lopez for short jumper

8- GV throws the entry pass to Lopez at the elbow (the one they like to start the offense off with, Lopez or Davis) who has a open lane to the goal because Cousins is doing god knows what.

9- Anthony Davis runs from one elbow to the other for a essentially a toss.

10- Entry pass to Gordon in the post against the smaller Thomas.

11- Cousins falls asleep on the fast break and lets Gordon get in front of him and GV finds him.

12- Jason Smith hands off to Mason who hands off to Vasquez who passes back to Mason on the right wing.

13- GV hands off to Mason in the corner.

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The first thing this leads me to say is that assists are greatly exaggerated in the NBA. I count four passes that imo shouldn't be credited as an assist. 1,4, 6, and 8. I remember reading an article years ago about how NBA assists are tallied. This is just an opinion though.

There are a few that I probably could have made that were just a result of bad defense. 2, 5, 7, 9, 13

The others are good assists. 3 when GV got the mismatch and was able to get into the lane and bring Lopez's man with him was a thing of beauty. 10 was a real good look because Gordon got Thomas out of position for a fraction of a second and GV hit him at the perfect time. 11 wasn't a difficult pass but it showed good vision that he saw Gordon get out past Cousins on his left. And then I can't really group 12. It was a hard skip pass to make because his body was facing away, but it was another bad defensive play from Sacramento as well.

Where as I'm watching Goran Dragic, he's finding his bigs off the p&r or p&p (Vasquez did not have a single assist off the pick game last night), he's getting into the lane and drawing three defenders and passing around those guys to open teammates, he's making passes where guys don't even have to put the ball on the ground for layups or dunks where GV's passes force our bigs to take a couple dribbles to get into better position.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

This is getting out of hand. I went to Espn forums, Kings forums, and other sports sites and All fans were praising Vasquez. I almost made a thread on this. Most people were calling him a beast, future All-Star, and even Steve Nash lite. I think alot of Hornets fans really. Underate their own players and overate others (Tyreke Evans, Really?)

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I'm not high on Evans either. Kings fans are desperate for any player right now. Vasquez puts up nice number, but he doesn't impact the game. That's what I meant by empty numbers. He is a nice player, but I want more, and that doesn't even take into account how horrendous he is defensively.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

I understand the angle on Vasquez that his shortcomings are hard to overcome and that a championship team needs a better starting PG, but calling someone's numbers empty is just... I'm gonna put it nicely and call it ridiculous.

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Has Vasquez ever taken over a game? Can he put the team on his back and win games for us? At the beginning of the season, Vasquez said a PG's worth is measured by team wins, and we suck.

Let's be honest with ourselves, his numbers are empty. He doesn't impact the game. Teams don't have to game plan him offensively, and they certainly attack him when he is on defense. He can't hit the PnR man to save his life, and he is a passing PG!!! What the hell is that? He can't thread the needle, and he can't pass guys open. All he does is wait for the defense to make a mistake, and he takes advantage of it, but that does you no good against elite teams like Miami, Boston, OKC, LAC, SA, etc....

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Where as I'm watching Goran Dragic, he's finding his bigs off the p&r or p&p (Vasquez did not have a single assist off the pick game last night), he's getting into the lane and drawing three defenders and passing around those guys to open teammates, he's making passes where guys don't even have to put the ball on the ground for layups or dunks where GV's passes force our bigs to take a couple dribbles to get into better position.

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Exactly my point. Good post. Vasquez can't make the real passes that a PG needs to make. He can only make the obvious pass once the defense breaks down, and when I say "the defense breaks down," I don't mean Vasquez is breaking the defense down. I just mean the defense messes up.

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Originally Posted by Kibner

If you want empty stats, go look at Ricky Davis' career. He played for himself and not his team. I don't think this is the case for Vasquez.

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Isn't that the guy who was 1 reb away from a triple-double and on the inbound ran to his own goal and threw the ball off the backboard to get the rebound? That was a while ago I could be confusing him with someone else.

I do think Davis did that lol

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

I do think Davis did that lol

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Yup