You mean the guy who is no longer allowed to be involved with the Pelicans? Perfect example
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Here's the truth of the matter. If it was a sprained knee or something like that, they'd have just announced it as that and it'd have been a couple weeks and done.
The only reason to be vague is to try and control the narrative and protect Zion from talk. They clearly had to weigh their options about making it known or not and have so far chosen not to.
Does that mean it's some severe injury? No. But it does mean it's something that they'd rather the public not know about due to fears of an over reaction.
The Pels are playing a knife edge game of trying to protect Zion since he's so scrutinized and also trying to capitalize on that same media.
Truth is absolute. What you just laid out is a bunch of semi educated speculation. So while it is possible it is not the "truth of the matter"
It is just another guy with no direct knowledge opinion of what might be the situation. Which is what I am told "message boards are for"
So, carry on
Unfortunately, I can't trust your opinion. Kristen Ledlow is not smoking hot, and therefore your takes are suspect.
More seriously, I doubt that Ledlow is the 'source' for the report she gave. It's more likely that the source came from someone else and she was simply reporting it, and I'm (generously) assuming that the people feeding her legitimate claims of fact aren't just making them up, and that their claim actually comes from somewhere.
And of course, I trust Woj as much as I trust any basketball insider. So I assume that he got his claims from a source as well. The question is, in this case, why the contradiction? Just a miscommunication, or purposefully muddying waters?
She clearly stated that she asked the team and that was their response. She did not mention who though.
First, I was using the phrase "truth of the matter" as a figure of speech, which is quite common. If I knew exactly what was going on, I would have said "This is what happened." The fact people DON'T KNOW is exactly my point about what the truth is in this case. I also disagree that truth is absolute. Absolute truth is absolute but in conversation I believe there are multiple truths, this however is beyond the scope of this forum nor do I have any interest whatsoever in continuing the conversation with you here or anywhere else.
Now you can try and strawman my over one hundred word post based off of 4 words in it but this leads me to
Second, Didn't you create your own board so you didn't have to slum it here with the average people? If your entire stance is people that aren't invited to it aren't worth your time then stop engaging outside of your own bubble you've created. Certainly do so if you're only reason for posting is to argue about semantics instead of actually talking about the Pelicans.
Third, I nor anyone else needs your permission to carry on. Go do that on your own forum.
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Now. As far as Zion's injury goes, whether the Pelicans like it or not their silence has allowed fans to build their own "truth" on the matter. I believe this to be by choice on the Pelicans part because they weighed their options of either making the injury known or not and have so far chosen not to.
I don't believe that means Zion has some super serious injury but it DOES raise concerns because after Griffin has been so extremely transparent so far in his job this stands out as a stark contrast to how he has operated.
We also cannot say that this is how Griffin has handled injuries because when Zion banged his knee in summer league, he was very quick to go out into the media and say exactly what happened and what he was doing. This is different from how he handled that and this is what has some people concerned and I think rightly so. I don't blame fans for the precedent Griffin has established so far, especially not after the fans have made it clear they want transparency compared to how the previous regime was ran.
the truth of the matter is to introduce a fact which supports what you are saying or which is not widely known, for example because it is a secret.
It is not a substitute for "in my opinion"
Look, I know how this will go. You will shift some phrasing to try and defend your first post and we will go back and forth debating something until it is no longer what the original disagreement was. Thats not worth my time.
My overall point is that words matter, even on a message board. Sports analysts use hyperbole non stop, they use phrases that dont apply, and it trickles down to fans who use them in convos, on Twitter, and message boards.
Language matters and clarity should always be goal #1. Neither you or I know the "truth of the matter" on this issue. So, when we state an opinion, we should make it clear that it is an opinion. Now, if you wanna REALLY surprise me, type, "Yeah, I was wrong. Not the correct phrase to use"
That would blow me away if someone had the ability to type that on a message board in 2019.
This is what really concerns us and Mythrol put it here eloquently enough. I find silence of the Pelicans office on this issue shortsighted and disturbing for it created great deal of unnecessary and divisive speculation. Why it is so difficult to give us and the media day-by-day updates I have no slightest idea. I'd prefer transparency and harsh truth and believe everybody would.
They have a cave troll.
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The Loomis and Saints comparison is extremely relevant. He may have been placed elsewhere but the overall mentality of the regime and ownership will be the same.
I mean really this thread should be locked until relevant info comes out so it won't be flooded with crap
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I disagree. Fans pay to watch the team for their own reasons. The Pelicans are under no obligation to do anything but hold the games they paid to see. Any outcome or specifics contained aren't party to any thing.
I'm being very literal. The spirit of things is to operate in good faith and be open and honest with loyal fans. But...
Allaying our concerns and worries aren't their responsibility. They just aren't.
this is killing me..surely more news to come out soon?
Well I FULLY and TOTALLY disagree. Fans have a right to know who is and isnt playing and why. Whats being done with injured players. The only limitations are if releasing that information strategically will affect the game. Other than that, transparency is a must. And obviously I'm talking about more than just injuries now.
In other words, much more than just showing up on game night with whoever the team is going to throw out there. Thats just a terrible way to operate. What do you think all these slogans and even the team name is all about? You want to connect with your fanbase and stay connected.
Literally. Nobody with the Pelicans has a job without the folks doling out the money to see them.
Not for nothing but did anyone else hear Josh Lloyd say on today’s podcast of Locked on Fantasy basketball that “it’s yet to be confirmed but he’s hearing it’s a torn meniscus”
The situation is definitely getting bizarre. I get that Gentry was uncomfortable answering questions on Friday. But he looked just as uncomfortable and uneasy talking about Zion from today’s interview. Whatever Griffin is imposing on the team, it’s makes these interviews cringeworthy.
I think Lonzo has given us the most info regarding the situation. Saying things like he’s not out for the season and confirming he’s out a couple of games lead me to believe that they absolutely know what’s going on but do not want to release the extent of the injury for whatever reason.
Haven't watched the pod, but in all honesty, what would Josh Lloyd know? I've listened to the Locked On Fantasy pod a few times and he's very much in the realm of the ''just kinda knowledgeable but not really'' commentator. I wouldn't expect him to have any real insider knowledge of any team, let alone a less historically investigated team like the Pelicans.
The only real source, from what I've seen, for the torn meniscus claim is that dude on the other forum that people passed around on twitter a lot. Lloyd is a big twitter guy, so he probably saw it on there.
Not hearing the best of news, you can consider it pure speculation at this point, but I don't think Zion is currently in NOLA.
While I agree the Pelicans are under no strict obligation to owe the public anything in regards to injury news, Griffin has already set the standard going forward about how he would handle Zion's injuries when he came out during summer league and was very clear and transparent.
This being in stark contrast to how he handled Zion's injury just a couple of months ago is alarming to many fans. I don't think they are without warrant or basis to want additional, clear information from Griffin as that's what fans were believed to be getting from the way Griffin handled things previously.
I also think what has added to the issue is we actually got some level of news about more tests being done in 24 hours and yet there was never an update on what those test results were.
There's also the issue of fans who were sold tickets specifically with the belief of Zion playing only to now be left in limbo due to vague communication on the Pelicans part. Even if they are under no obligation, to build Good Will with a franchise that has felt like there hasn't been good communication with the front office in years, it'd be nice if they openly communicated at least some things so that the fans who purchase tickets and might be traveling from out of town can make their plans.
It's damaging from a fan perspective because Griffin seemed to have free reign and the organization seemed to have completely changed under his direction. This is the first taste of the old regime and many fans don't like that.
In the long run is it a big deal? No probably not. Griffin has also certainly built up some good will with the fan base too. However at least short term this is damaging to the fan base they are trying so hard to build back up.
Very odd.
Other people have said it, and I'll echo it now: given the transparency the organisation has had in general since Griff took over, it's weird to see everything seem to shut down and go zero dark thirty on this. Makes it more worrying than it perhaps should be.
Maybe the NBA has stepped on our throat to prevent
Losing revenue. Zion is a golden goose, but It's only delaying the inevitable. Losing games, TV ratings, and empty seats with extra fan apathy.
It's kind of weird, because AD injuries where very transparent. They sucked, but we knew what was going on. Just feels like NBA got involved and told to hold off.
I love how fans go to this conspiracy theories as the most likely thing when they hear nothing. It's like none if you ever heard of Occums Razor.
Maybe they just want to do a bunch of testing and be sure. Nah...they got on a big conference call with the NBA and TV exec's and have mapped out this shell game where they will keep info trapped to deceive everyone!!
Zion is having a scope done. And no I’m not telling you my sources. (not Josh Lloyd)
Not strange imo.
As much as we want to think these guys talk and text each other like school girls, they are professionals with their careers being about self preservation. It wouldn’t shock me if Zion felt his knee was bothering him, sat around with his team and made it aware to Griffin about their concerns and then basically a closed door meeting took place on the best way to handle it.
AD taught us all that this isn’t high school and professional sports is just that, a business.
I wouldn’t personally look too deep into that. But I will say that the front office is gambling with the trust of their fanbase and until it’s proven otherwise, I’m expecting Zion back in weeks like the agreed upon announcement from reputable media proxies stated.
To say it's odd his teammates didn't notice doesn't mean we need to make some even more odd leap to suggest they type each other like high school girls either.
If you practice daily with someone, it seems quite un odd and very logical that they'd notice some type of limp or or non normal physical behavior.
That would just be logical.
True, but that’s the thing about what’s going on. Zion was shown practicing just a day prior to this announcement. The only thing I saw different in that Spurs game compared to the other games is that when Zion officially went out he iced both knees. For what’s being said and how they are describing the injury, this isn’t a “oh I can’t go on” injury but a discrete “soreness” that the front office had to rule on the severity of to even pinpoint what the real issue is. So it’s possible this injury could get by his teammates.
I’m just saying considering everything and the magnitude of him as a player, the mayflower in the midnight hours of this can even escape teammates because of the protection he’s roaming in from the front office of both the team and the league due to his hype.
One thing nobody is discussing, is the fact that Zion could of hurt his knee outside of a basketball activity. I know of multiple instances where players have gotten hurt at hike and you never hear about it.
So many things could of happened.
At this point, everything we are hearing is speculation in my opinion.
I think we will find out a whole list more tomorrow during pregame.
Don’t know if it was mentioned earlier but what was his summer league “injury” and could this at all be related.
Didn’t he bump knees or something.
I know I don’t hang out here a lot but I was the first one to tell u guys:
- This team will be called the Pelicans
- Chris Paul is getting traded
- Eric Gordon wants out of New Orleans and we just had the inter team scrimmage
- released the new court design before they were done painting it
I’ve never given you my sources and still won’t. But whatever carry on I guess..
Sucks that it HAD to happen right before the season started. Couldn't be worse timing. There's finally some excitement for this team and the main piece has to get surgery.
Meniscus tear is really not that bad. Not ideal, but it's better than what could have been (i.e. microfracture, ACL, patella). He'll be gone at least 4 weeks, wouldn't be surprised if it's 6.
So,because you came onto a forum and made these statements, you ASSUMED that nobody on this forum already knew these things? WOW, what an undeserved self pat on the back. It didnt take James Van Pragh to make a hypothesis regarding all of your premonitions. Lordy,