Ayton's 1st year salary was $8.2 million last year, so Zion's will be a little higher.
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Never in NBA history has more then 1 team moved up more then 5 spots. Tonight their was 3 teams who moved up 6 spots.. WoW!!
Also, I forgot about cap holds. Payton, Miller, and Diallo will have about $7m worth of cap holds, I think, so we wouldn't be able to work with that money unless we renounced them, and then we couldn't sign them back.
I think. Cap wizards correct me if I'm wrong there.
Man, I really thought I wanted AD out of here, but put this kid with him and Julius Randle in the front court and... damn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KexmeHer2Vs
Even if you renounced them, you'd still have cap holds for the first 13 roster spots on the team (meaning all spots not filled would have an imaginary rookie player salary cap hold placed on it). The NBA did this specifically to keep teams from dropping their entire back end of their roster to be able to slip in a max contract.
There might be some cap magic you could work to open up a max slot but it would require trade(s) to get there.
Well you have to have money coming back in, in trades. So we could, theoretically, trade basically the entire roster but you'd need near-equivalent salary returning anyway.
We will struggle HARD to open up one max slot, if it can be done at all. Asking for two is pretty much just a no go. It's also not the stage we're at. I think bringing in multiple max players too early can be problematic for the future, as Philly are about to find out.
No, you couldn't do that straight up.
Dwight has been traded a number of times, in different ways. The first time he went to LA, in a four team deal. The magic lost Dwight, and took back Aaron Afflalo, Nikola Vucevic, Al Harrington, and a pick. Then, later, when he went to Houston that was Free Agency. Then to Atlanta was also FA. Then when he got traded from ATL to Charlotte, Atlanta had to take back Marco Bellinelli, and Miles Plumlee. Then when they traded him to Brooklyn, they had to take back Mozgov, and then he signed with Washington in free agency. So every time that Dwight got traded, the team that moved him took back salary.
There is only one NBA player worth their SuperMax atm... It's Steph Curry.
You guys are sooo short sighted. We need a team before handing out a SuperMax. No team... No chance. We'll end up in the exact same cap & talent situation that we are on the verge of getting out of....
In The N.O. Podcast fumbling the ball hard by putting up an after-lottery stream so quickly but then having McNamara on it. May as well not bothered.
Edit: In MM's defense, he was doing pretty well until he said he'd trade Zion for Harden.
Yes, the sure bet HOF, Goat Shooter of all time, 3x champion, 2x MVP, owns NBA records on 3pt shooter, and completely change the game.
What did AD do? Oh yeah... Be soft, score a bunch of points, and lost a lot of games.
https://www.si.com/nba/2019/03/19/nb...l-kemba-walker
Listing off Steph's accomplishments is pointless because I don't disagree that he deserves it. I just disagree that he's the ONLY ONE who deserves it.
Kawhi deserved that supermax from San Antonio. He turned it down, but he did deserve it. Giannis will be offered it, and he will deserve it.
To be clear, you don't have to match salaries in a trade if the other team has enough cap space to just absorb the contracts without going over the cap.
For example: If the Knicks REALLY wanted AD and cared about nothing else they have enough cap space to be able to absorb his contract in and only send picks back. They won't do this because they want to keep their salary to be able to sign players but it could happen.
You only need to match salaries if you're already over the cap or doing the trade will put you over the cap (I'm simplifying here it's more complex but this is the jist).
Still believe you don't hand out a supermax and then try to build a team. If you want to be the Washington Wizards. cool beans. You don't build good teams like this. Let AD go and have a complete rebuild. It's a salary game. Paying AD $40 million isn't gonna to do it and inflate our winshares to the point where building through the drafting is difficult. We have to do a complete rebuild and the only affordable big piece is Jrue.
That 2017-2018 squad window is closed
Trade AD to Knicks or Lakers. Get RJ Barret or Hunter. Acquire more future picks. Keep building assets. This old way of just building through overpaying players needs to be supplemented by actually having drafting assets.
So what are you drafting for? Your hope is to acquire a draft pick that will turn into a superstar. So, you trade away a top 8-10 player in the NBA just approaching his prime for the hope that you get that lucky again and pull a rabbit out of a hat with the 3rd-6th pick in a weak draft? If he gives you no options, you have no choice. If there is a chance to keep him and pair him with Zion, you do that every day.
Lol. Someone who hasn't posted in years questioned someone else's fan credentials.
That happened.
To me, it makes sense that Davis's camp continues to put out the idea that the hiring of Griffen and the securing of the #1 pick have not changed his mind. After demanding a trade, his reputation took somewhat of a hit. Most people in the City of New Orleans remain angry with him over what they see as Davis turning his back on the organization and his teammates. Well, it would look incredibly fickle if he immediately came out and changed his mind upon hearing that Griffen was hired or that we won the right to select Zion Williamson. It would be a bigger slap in the face to the organization and teammates. It says I could not win with Demps or my teammates but I can simply with the hiring of Griffen and selection of Zion. On the other hand, it looks much better, should he decide to stay, if that decision comes after meeting with Griffen. He can then say it was the long-term vision that Griffen laid out and his belief that things will move in the right direction that convinced him to stick around. I am not saying that there is a guarantee that he stays--though I am maybe a little more optimistic than others--but I do not think it should come as any surprise that he has not immediately jumped back on board.
Speaking of Memphis
Source: Barring the unexpected, Memphis Grizzlies front office and ownership appear to have locked in on selecting Ja Morant with the No. 2 pick in the 2019 NBA Draft, and are informing parties in Chicago of such. That clears the way for R.J. Barrett to fall to the Knicks at #3.
— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) May 15, 2019
Looks like they are in on Morant.
On one hand, I get your point.
On the other, paying a guy who has already already has emphatically requested out multiple times $240m for the sake of competing next season instead of later could be seen as doing what is needed to win now instead of setting up long term stable success. That could, conceivably, be described as rushing depending on how you see this team with the Jrue-AD-Zion core, and how well you believe we'd be able to put long term assets around them to win over multiple years.
Interesting take. (via The Ringer)
After the lottery, Griffin acknowledged to reporters that having the no. 1 pick affords the franchise more flexibility in the coming months. There’s less pressure to deal Davis now. The Pelicans can play it slow, going into the season with a core of AD, Zion, and Jrue Holiday, and see how things play out. If February 2020 rolls around and Davis still wants to leave, the team could trade him before the deadline for a haul. If Davis’s true reason for originally wanting out was to compete for a championship, how many teams can he now find with more long-term potential than the Pelicans? “He’s wanted to win this whole time and he felt compelled to try to win elsewhere. I think if you look at the totality of where this organization is and where we’re going, we feel very strongly that we’re going to be the environment he wants to be part of,” Griffin said. “And if we’re not, that’s fine; we can deal with it from there. But I’m looking at this, believing that there’s no reason he wouldn’t want to win with us, because that’s what we do. It’s who we are. And I think culturally we’re about all the same things.”
I mean, it's not a new take. We've been hearing this since at least March.
The pros:
- Possibly makes AD more likely to stay long term
- Makes us a better team next year
The cons:
- Makes the return on an AD trade far less valuable than if we trade him now
- Runs the risk of him walking if we can't get a good deal sorted
- If AD decides he still wants to leave, it tanks another season into the garbage
- Don't want Zion developing in his rookie year overshadowed by nonsense drama
- Don't want any Zion being potentially influenced by Mr. Doesn't Dress Himself
- If we are going for a rebuild, having AD on this roster will make us pick in the mid teens rather than in the lottery*
*Yes, I'm aware that lottery odds aren't everything anymore, and that the Lakers jumped from 14th to 4th last night. That doesn't mean it's a guarantee. Top 10 teams overwhelmingly ended up with top ten picks.
Meh. Nothing is getting through Davis' camp. Rich Paul doesn't want him in NOLA, and AD is too much of a beta male to tell him no. Would it be wise to give us a chance? Hell yes. Is he gonna do it? Nope. Whether he's calling the shots, or his agent, the man wants to be in a big market. He can put off this facade that he "wants to win," but when was the last time anyone won on the Lakers or Knicks? The boy wonder LeBron couldn't even help the Lakers. But he's got an itch that needs scratching, so nothing is gonna stop him.
The quicker we realize this, the better off we'll be. Let's be happy we're gonna get a generational player and focus on the return we could possibly get.
Exactly! You sit him down, you tell him, look. We got Jrue, we got Zion. We know this team has potential. We also have a cheque for $240m, and it has your name on it. You either sign the extension, right now, with full commitment to the team, or you're gone, and you won't be going to LA. 100% in, or 100% out. No compromises. No ''stay until January and then we'll see''. Either all in now, or gone, now. That's it. And if he's gone now, which I think he is, then you don't try and convince him and you don't look back. Have some dignity and don't beg.
Omg... The Coli (My other Bball forum) Knicks fans
have lost their collective minds and talking nonsense and trashing our city. What
A bunch of sore loser
Add in Alonzo Trier as well. Perfect piece for what we need on the bench to replace Moore pairing up with Frank. I would then dangle DSJr, Knox, and future 1st round picks to help bring in player/players to that fit around Jrue/Barrett/Zion.. Robinson and Trier stay as they fit in with the roster perfectly.