Myth, I think you & I have talked about Garland .
Small sample size, due to injury , but dude is athletic and can flat out SHOOT.
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Garland is actually not that athletic and needs to put on more weight. He is also coming off a torn mecniscus (don't feel like spelling right now lol) and he is projected to be a DJ augenstin type player. I would past on him tbh. KZ Okpala from Stanford,Rui, and Keldon Johnson are guys I been warming up too more lately.
How can he be projected to be anything ? He played 1/2 dozen games in college. He was a 5 star recruit & he is definitely athletic.
He's almost 3" taller than Augustin.
BTW- I was fortunate enough to watch 90% of D.J.'s games at Brother Martin & he is in the Top 3 Best Metro High School Players in the past 30 years.
Augustin was one of the best shooters over decades in Metro New Orleans.
He is listed at 6' . NO WAY. He's 5'10, 5'11 if lucky.
If D.J. Would've been 6'2" 6'3" , he would've made multiple all star games in the NBA.
So if you are saying Garland is a taller DJ Augustin- I'm in .
BTW- Mythrol said (Upside). He just made 19yrs old 6 weeks ago. Im pretty certain that he still capable of putting a few lbs on.
Quite frankly, I have no problem with skinny point guards that can flat-out shoot.
Yea not a huge fan mostly because I don’t want a PG. Only PG in this draft I want with a lottery pick is Morant. Will be interested in how Garland measures out. I haven’t found anywhere that he is actually 6’3 and doesn’t appear to have much of a wingspan. The kid can definitely shoot from deep though which I like and in today’s NBA is crucial. I think with our picks we will have we need to go after wings and bigs.
LoL!! DJ would have made multiple all star teams by being a few inches taller!? What!? He was one of the best shooters in New Orleans just not the NBA where he had a handful of good seasons from 3pt. I like Augustin as a backup PG because that’s what he is and not an all star talent.
So,you dont think 5'11 is substantially different than 6'2" 6'3"? Huh? DJ has never had Constant Starter position in the NBA because he was a defensive liability. Hes short.
So, axiomatically, if he were able to get starter minutes, he would score more points. Hes an excellent ball handler & you may want to check his career 3pt shooting.
Nice Substance again GA.
BTW- Who said Garland was 6'3"
I will say this--You have broken the forum record for leading with lol .
Gee, I wonder why you agree with Silver Foxx?
From what we've seen thus far, and a lot of this will most likely change once we get measurements, workouts and interviews, the draft seems to have 3 tiers of talent in the lottery.
Tier 1:
Ceiling: Franchise Player
Floor: Quality NBA Starter
1. Zion Williamson
2. RJ Barrett
3. Ja Morant
Not much more needs to be said about these guys than what's already out there. If we get lucky and can land one of these players, it'll absolutely propel our rebuild forward.
Tier 2:
Ceiling: Borderline All-Star
Floor: Key Role Player
4. Cam Reddish
5. Darius Garland
6. De'Andre Hunter
7. Jarrett Culver
8. Romeo Langford
Each player here has a clearly defined NBA skill that they can use to find a role in the NBA. I think a lot of how well these players will do depends on the situation they fall into and the time they're given to play through their weaknesses. This can be said for a lot of players coming into the NBA, but I think it's especially true for this year's class.
Tier 3:
Ceiling: Quality NBA Starter
Floor: Ok Role Player/Bust
9. Sekou Doumbouya
10. Jaxson Hayes
11. Keldon Johnson
12. Nassir Little
And this is where the draft gets really interesting and less predictable in my opinion. I think it's most likely we land one of these players or one of the players in the top 4 given the lottery structure. Of all of these players, as my ranking indicates, I would most like to draft Sekou as I think he has the highest variance of outcomes. He is VERY young but already has an NBA ready body and has great length. He reminds me a lot of Al-Farouq Aminu, but he appears to have a bit better ball handling and shot at this stage of his development. But I think physically and his projected NBA position are quite similar. And for what it's worth, I think he would be a great fit next to Jayson Tatum and in general a good fit with the Pelicans fast pace. It'll be interesting to see how the combine/workouts affect these rankings since really from 4-12 seems pretty fluid. For the time being, Sekou is my guy if we're picking at 9 (our current spot).
OOPS, Sorry, I didnt see this. Whattaya know? https://basketballsocietyonline.com/...couting-report
Yeah of course there's always exceptions to the rule and hopefully we can find a diamond in the rough like that. It's pretty much impossible to find which player will turn into a superstar in the late lottery/mid 1st round - a lot of it has to do with circumstance (Clint Capella is a great example of benefiting from his situation). But I think it's fair to say that in a neutral situation that those projections are what is reasonable to expect. It's all about projecting to the most likely outcome. Zion could bust and Bol Bol could be a revolutionary center, but I don't think either of that is likely to happen.
Also, to the board in general, please forget about Bol Bol. That guy sucks and won't be an NBA player in a few years lol.
Never said you claimed he was 6’3 and wasn’t even responding to you.. maybe learn to comprehend a little better. He is listed at 6’3 on most sites but was never measured above 6’2 from anything I have been able to find. Having a 6’5 wingspan as I said is not very good and finding 2 guards with similar ones doesn’t make it a good one. Is it ok to actually point out negatives with this guy or only when it concerns Ingram? I like Garland and think he might be the best shooter in this draft. I would like to wait and see where his measureables and athleticism turn out before I put him on our draft board. As of now not someone I really want our team to draft when they have much better wings and potentially a big in our draft area. Try digging a little deeper and take what I said more personally next time haha.. go back to talking about DJ as a multiple all star making excuses why he wasn’t like height and not getting enough minutes do to being on the bench.
I know I’m not trying to. I’m just not big on our team going after a PG in this draft even with Morant although I would take him depending on who else is there. I just don’t see a scenario where I’m picking Garland in the lottery. I love his shooting which can be elite and he’s got some nice ball skills but he also has a lot I don’t like. Mostly for me it’s fit. I’m going to the LSU/Vanderbilt game so I will get a good look at him live. Excited to see Waters and Garland go at it.
Got a few issues with this, to be honest. One that jumps out to me is at the end, where you say that certain things will be 'a great fit next to Jayson Tatum and in general a good fit with the Pelicans fast pace'.
We have absolutely no guarantee that we'll have Tatum, and given that Gentry will almost certainly be fired, we have no guarantee we'll be a face paced team next season either. Those are both obviously possibilities, but I'm not basing my draft around either of them. I'm taking the best players, hell with how they fit Tatum.
Overally, I just can't agree with your player evaluations. It seems odd to me that you would put some lines where you do. For example: why is Jaxson Hayes listed as having his ceiling be solid NBA starter? He's got great measurables, and he's barely going to be 19 at the time he'll be playing his first game. He's all potential right now, and that potenial is a lot higher than solid NBA starter level. I don't see how you put him in that third category but put, for example, Romeo Langford in the next category up, when Langford has been far, far less impressive thus far in his showings and doesn't have nearly the same raw physical potential of Hayes.
Of course, names like Bol Bol, KZ Okpala, and Brandon Clarke aren't even listed in your categories despite having arguably higher ceilings than many of the other players there. I would argue, for example, that Bol Bol has a higher ceiling than pretty much anyone in tier 2 or 3, and that KZ Okapala could easily slot into tier 2.
Just seems to be a very limited method of evaluation.
For me, unless we have specific names in mind (which I do, I've made my love for Bol Bol well known, not hiding anything here) then the best course of action is always to just draft the best player. Since we're going into a mini-rebuild, I can see arguments that we need guards, but I can also see arguments that we need a good forward for once, and also arguments that we need a quality big to replace AD. Because of how many different holes we'll need to fill over the next two seasons or so, it HAS to be a case of just picking the best player.
And for me, Garland isn't as good as other players. No knock on him, no insult, I do think he has talent, but he's just not in my top 5.
I haven't seen Garland play but I'd definitely rather him than a big. Its Morant or bust for me as long as Jrue is insistent on playing the 2guard. If not him then I'm all for a wing like Romeo, Culver, or Hunter, guys with a little size and can play DEFENSE.
1) You specifically stated that you CANT find anywhere that he's listed at 6'3". You have to be addressing someones comment regarding 6'3".
2) You are so interested in arguing, you fabricate. Where did I say that you said that I said he was 6'3"? I simply asked you a question. ----> You said you couldnt find anywhere stating he's 6'3".. I asked--Who said that?
You try a bit too hard to take it personal. Its Odd. Its as if you are looking for confrontation.
Hes not an all star because he is a defensive detriment. He shoots 38.2% from 3pt range. He didnt get starter minutes because hes short. Thats NOT difficult to understand.
Also, everything that someone says., that you disagree with is NOT laugh out loud funny.
Please... not the draft thread too...
LoL I’m the one looking for confrontation yet I was confronted when speaking to someone else.. makes sense.. obsessed much?
:crytear: idgaf about DJ Augustine
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What are some of you guys' thoughts on some of the older players in the draft? I know that, all other things being equal, the younger player is the one you want because younger players means a higher likelihood of untapped potential, the possibility of further physical growth, and the elongation of their career (a player comes in at 18, you can have them for 15 years and they're still a reasonable age at 33: if they come in at 22, 15 years later they're 37 and probably out of the league).
But if we were to ignore that, and just look at some of the older players in this upcoming draft, are there any names you like? This question was spurred by seeing a few people talking about Brandon Clarke being this draft's untapped superstar, or some sort of sleeper pick. Clarke is, however, 22 years old, and will be 23 at the time of his first NBA game due to a September birthday. Does anyone think that it's worth drafting someone that'll be 23 years old, even if they're the best player in the draft, when a player that's 70% as good but only 19 will have the time to grow as a player?
Some of the older players in this draft, and their stats, just in case you're interested - at given is the age at time of first game:
Brandon Clarke, 23: 16.6pts, 8.5rbds, 1.7asts, 1.2stls, 3.1blks, 2.3 PFs, 68.8% FG%, 30.8% from 3. ORTG of 140.1, DRTG of 83.9 for a Net RTG of 56.2. PER of 37.2, 0.343 WS/40, 18.9 BPM, only a 23.6% usage rate.
DeAndre Hunter, 21 (barely): 15.4pts, 5.2rbds, 2.3asts, 0.6stls, 0.5blks, 54.7% FG%, 48.7% from 3. ORTG of 131.6, DRTG of 90.8 for a Net RTG of 40.8. PER of 26.9, 0.280 WS/40, 12.9 BPM, 24.3% usage rate.
Rui Hachimura, 21: 20.6pts, 6.7rbds, 1.6asts, 1.0stls, 0.7blks, 61.3% FG%, 46.7% from 3. ORTG of 129.3, DRTG of 91.1 for a Net RTG of 38.2. PER of 30.8, 0.288 WS/40, 9.4 BPM, 28.1% usage rate.
Bruno Fernando, 21: 14.0pts, 10.5rbds, 2.0asts, 0.6stls, 1.9blks, 62.4% FG%, 25% from 3. ORTG of 119.9, DRTG of 91.5 for a Net RTG of 28.4. PER of 28.8, 0.230 WS/40, 13.1 BPM, 23.4% usage rate.
There's a little bit of LaMarcus Aldridge to Hachimura's game. Like if Aldridge were smaller and had more wing-like quickness and handle.
Cameron Johnson. N.C. Sr. He will be an NBA rotational guy for a decade. So under the radar, it's scary. Although he was ranked 58th 1 month ago. He's now in the mid 30's. I watched him play against Va & Duke (1st game). He's a playa!
I like Rui , But I like Clarke more. Athletic, instinctual & can leap out the gym. I know older guys make you iffy, but he's going to be a keeper.
About 3 weeks ago, when he was mid- 2nd level, I told Mythrol to look at film of Jalen McDaniel SDS . Now, he's project mid-late 1st. He's a sophomore , so I don't know if that counts as older.
Also, Admiral Schofield - Sr. Tennessee.
Bill Walton. is an absolute treasure.
He makes watching PAC 12 games glorious.
I hope he's not nixed when his becomes coach of UCLA .
Sign me all the way up for DeAndre Hunter
Watching Hunter play, I think he has a much lower ceiling than a lot of the other prospects, but a much higher floor as well.
Someone like, for example, Langford, I can see ending up as a star or easily busting out quickly. I can't see Hunter ever being an MVP level player, but I think he's not gonna bust at all.
Completely agree. I think he's just gonna be good. I don't think he has any chance of being great, but I don't see many career paths that don't lead to him being in the league and contributing for a decade. Obviously I don't want to use a top 5 pick on him, but if we're sitting around 12 I would be ecstatic to pick him up.
Side note: out on Romeo Langford. I see a lot of Collin Sexton in him, except Sexton looked like he had more drive in college.
I have a feeling Hunter will go somewhere between 7th and 12th, and there are people I like more at that kind of number, but I do agree. If we take Boston's trade, for example, and end up with the 14th pick from SAC or something, and he's somehow available there, I'd snap him up.
I really don't understand Langford's hype at all. Just watching him leaves me cold. There's no way I can deny certain skills he has, but there's nothing in his game at all that makes me think of him as a serious top prospect. No idea why so many people have him going maybe as high as 5th.
We shouldn't be bringing in any players who has questionable drives and effort. Our last franchise player has had questions about his effort and alpha state so I'm focused more on BBIQ, character, and drive this time around for any prospect. Langford, and Reddish is a no go for me.
I like KZ Okpala's game. Think he'd be a good fit for us.
Jaxson Hayes is 2-3 yrs away from being a constant rotational player. Nowhere near ready .
You may want to dig into Bol Bol's injury a bit. It can be very fickle, especially in taller players.
It can & has derailed careers. Not all, but some.
It's very uncommon in NBA players. 7 names were given & it derailed 3 of them .
Yao Ming, Zadrunis Ilgouskis, Brendan Haywood, Embiid, Marc Gasol, Quincy Pondexter & Michael Jeffrey Jordan
I am aware that Hayes is very, very raw. His measurables are fantastic though, and he does have some legitimate skills. He's also very young. I don't mind so much if a player has some development to do when he's 18 years old. Okpala will be 20 on draft night and while that's not old by any means, it is older.
I am also aware of Bol Bol's injury. That's why I don't have him over Culver, even though I think he probably has a higher ceiling. But I'm willing to take that risk at between 10th and 14th (assuming we get another pick for this draft other than our own) because of how high his ceiling is.
After missing a bunch of games, Zion returns against Syracuse. It's only halftime at time of me posting this, and Zion has 21 points, 9 rebounds, 5 steals. He's shot 9 of 9 from the floor and hit his only three.
We will know Zion's exact height at the combine when he gets measured. They aren't faking those numbers. The issue with AD or Durant is they kept growing after joining the league and never updated their recorded height because why?.
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AD is on record saying he knows he's taller than 6'10, but claims he's 6'10 because saying he's 6'11 or 7'0 makes him feel like he will be perceived as a centre, and he hates playing centre. That was on a late night show, Jimmy Kimmel maybe? Can't remember.
I'm pretty sure KD is also on record somewhere saying he goes with 6'9 instead of 7'0 because he knows that 6'9 is more normal height for a small forward, which is his preferred role. I couldn't tell you where that's from though.
While we're here as well, I might as well add that while Culver is listed at 6'6 right now, I'm absolutely sure that he's more like 6'8. Just seeing him stood next to some of his teammates who are listed at 6'10 like Tariq Owens, unless he's wearing shoes with 3 inch soles and Owens is wearing shoes with soles thinner than a credit card, there is no way Culver is 4-5'' shorter.
The Jimmy Kimmel show is where AD used a tape measure to prove he wasn't 7ft tall.
Like I said though, we will know his real height in a few weeks. They so with shoes and without shoes measurements.
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Yeah, I just rewatched the clip. And they proclaimed him to be 6'11, next to the measuring stick. Now, how official that is, is kinda impossible to say. The viewer doesn't get a direct, straight-on angle of the shot, and he's wearing shoes, which all indicates that maybe he's shorter than that, but on the other hand, he's also clearly not stood up straight and certainly doesn't have his head level and his shoulders back.
Given that, I think 6'11 or 6'11.5 is a pretty fair estimate of AD's height. And he's listed at 6'10.
I honestly think NBA players should have their heights re-recorded when they hit 25. I wouldn't make it mandatory, obviously you can't really force people to get measured that's a ridiculous standard, but we're all so familiar with just ignoring heights now because of how wildly they can vary between draft night at age 18 and being 25, it would be a good way to know what the rough final adult height of a player is.