Tank?

What's the point in battling back to a 37-45 record?

WHY is the prevailing thought we would've drafted Noel?

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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I doubt it.

There's no way he'll throw away another 1st rounder unless it was for a game changer like Paul George

Tank/Total rebuilding=Unhappy AD
Unhappy AD may fly away from NO like CP3 did. Because he wants to win.
I see the scenario when Dell trades away the pick to help team short term. To remain as a GM.

Indi might trade PG but only for AD.
GSW will match any offers for Barnes.

Our only chance to add quality pieces like Free agents is to play good...

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

People need to realize that tanking for a draft player sets the franchise back at least 3 years. Do we really want that? Rookies take time to develop.

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Tanking doesn't necessarily set a franchise back. Usually if a franchise is bad enough to tank it's already behind several years. As someone pointed out Robinson being injuried lead to the Spurs getting Duncan and it didn't set them back at all.

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Originally Posted by pawel

Tank/Total rebuilding=Unhappy AD
Unhappy AD may fly away from NO like CP3 did. Because he wants to win.
I see the scenario when Dell trades away the pick to help team short term. To remain as a GM.

Indi might trade PG but only for AD.
GSW will match any offers for Barnes.

Our only chance to add quality pieces like Free agents is to play good...

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Incomplete equation. Let's say we end up bottom 3 and get the top pick and select Ben Simmons now we hypothetically have the star to pair Davis with on a rookie contract no less.

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Originally Posted by UptownFuz504

I'm anti tank because in all likelihood Dell is gonna trade the pick for an injured young vet. I'd rather build with what we've got

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That's going above and beyond the realisim spectrum.

Yeah, we did that with Jrue, but Philly played us with some seriously shady crap. You make it seem like we did it on purpose. And absolutely no way if we won the lottery would we trade that pick unless we are doing some kind of sign and trade deal to get Durant.

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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Quoted for future lulz.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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If we start off 4-16 and don't tank, you wouldn't be a little frustrated?

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Tanking doesn't necessarily set a franchise back. Usually if a franchise is bad enough to tank it's already behind several years. As someone pointed out Robinson being injuried lead to the Spurs getting Duncan and it didn't set them back at all.

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But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

It's been like that.

And it's no better on SaintsReport today. Or TigerDroppings.

*sigh* Just a miserable weekend. Been a while since all three of my teams lost at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

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The team isn't bad enough to tank. Guys are coming back. Now, if AD goes down for the year, we can have this convo legitimately, but not now

I don't want my team to tank, I want to see them as a fully healthy team and watch them play good basketball!

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

But logically speaking the odds of this occuring again is so slim. Besides the Spurs what other situation and how often has that acutally happen? The lateral normally points to a disgruntled superstar, a overhaul of management, and new regime/growing process which sounds very familiar to this organization. What was the result of that?

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I guess my point is if a team is tanking they are already several years behind not the other way around. Either way like many have said the only way we tank is to trade away the majority of our core players.

I don't think we'll be in position to tank however this is looking like a wasted year.

No year is wasted. Within the vacuum of the year, maybe. But there are always things to learn and individual areas to improve.

I mean, where do we draw the line on whether a year is "wasted"? 29 teams don't win the title. Do we say that all playoff teams had a worthwhile year and the rest wasted one? That doesn't seem right to me. Can't be that simple

I've always been of the mindset, that I either want my team to make the playoffs or tank for a top pick. Worst case scenario to me is we get healthy and are a .500 team from that point on. Bad enough to miss the playoffs, but not bad enough to get a legit star in the draft.

In theory, that is worst case but it depends on your situation. Losing begets a losing culture. Winning, a winning one. You put THESE guys in a position to lose, and it won't matter what star 19 year old you bring in, they won't have the type of mentality you want.

I don't think people are truly thinking about what ranking would do to these players and this franchise in reality. You are thinking about it like it is 2K.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

You are not smart and nobody would ever care about your opinion on this subject. Happy?

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I don't think advocating for a top pick, because our team is playing bad basketball, makes someone unintelligent. Impatient perhaps, but not dumb. I'm not throwing in the towel and on the tank train. I sincerely hope we turn this thing around and get healthy and start winning games. I'm just not very optimistic at this point, mainly because of the coaching staff/system. It's not because we're 0-6. I wasn't happy with the hire when we made it. I really wanted JVG and when I saw we hired Gentry instead, I got pretty upset. I calmed down and decided to see where things went, but in the small sample size we've had so far, I thinks my fears well legitimate. We don't have the guard play to effectively run this system. I think Reke and Cole will improve things, but not drastically. As long as AD is healthy, I don't think a top 5 pick is realistic, so I'm still hopeful we can turn things around. If we haven't turned things around by January, then I'll get on the tank train. I'm not there yet.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

No year is wasted. Within the vacuum of the year, maybe. But there are always things to learn and individual areas to improve.

I mean, where do we draw the line on whether a year is "wasted"? 29 teams don't win the title. Do we say that all playoff teams had a worthwhile year and the rest wasted one? That doesn't seem right to me. Can't be that simple

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It's a year wasted if the team doesn't show significant improvements. The decision to trade away draft picks put us on an accelerated clock and marginal improvements or even worse a slight step back is a wasted season. I dont subscribe to the thought that you win a title or you failed. However each individual franchise have their own goals based on several things.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

Let's say we don't get fully healthy until we are 20 games in, and are 4-16. We'd have to go like 21-41 over the final 62 to have a realistic chance at a top pick.

Is that enough logic to stop this silly thread or are you guys gonna continue with the overreaction?

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I didn't realize that my silly thread would be taken so seriously. That would be like implying that you seriously expected the Pelicans to go 0-3 when you made that prediction last week on the "In The NO Podcast and just wasn't being silly. Or that you seriously believe Ryan will decipher one of your obscure Hip-Hop references and aren't just having fun. BTW, I prefer the Jarron Benton and Run-D.M.C.'s Adidas references to yours but I wouldn't criticize you or race you to the top of Timpanogos Cave over it.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

It's a year wasted if the team doesn't show significant improvements. The decision to trade away draft picks put us on an accelerated clock and marginal improvements or even worse a slight step back is a wasted season. I dont subscribe to the thought that you win a title or you failed. However each individual franchise have their own goals based on several things.

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I 100% agree that it is a wasted season if the team doesn't show improvement. But not making the playoffs doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with that. Let's say we were an 80 by the end of last year. Now, we have taken a big step back due to growing pains, and mostly injuries. We are a 65. However, over the last two months we are playing at an 88 level, but we didn't make the playoffs because of the big hole that we started in.

In your opinion, in that exact scenario, is it a wasted season? Because that is what I am talking about when I say I don't think a non-playoff season is necessarily a lost season.

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Originally Posted by MichaelMcNamara

I 100% agree that it is a wasted season if the team doesn't show improvement. But not making the playoffs doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with that. Let's say we were an 80 by the end of last year. Now, we have taken a big step back due to growing pains, and mostly injuries. We are a 65. However, over the last two months we are playing at an 88 level, but we didn't make the playoffs because of the big hole that we started in.

In your opinion, in that exact scenario, is it a wasted season? Because that is what I am talking about when I say I don't think a non-playoff season is necessarily a lost season.

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Exactly.

Lets face it we only made the playoffs because AD hit a lucky shot against OKC to take the series.
Because we made the playoffs last year everyone's expectations are playoffs this year and maybe even getting out of the first round.

These guy's have a steep learning curve and the injuries AGAIN aren't helping.
I think with everyone healthy we would still only be 3-3.