Burke "I"m hearing between #2 and #6"

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Yes. He certainly carried a team with what? 4 nba players on it... Lets not act like he was on some talentless team like I feel you're trying to paint it. Was he the conduit? Certainly.

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So did Ty Lawson. :D Just sayin.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

So did Ty Lawson. :D Just sayin.

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Fine player. Hasn't done jack in the playoffs with all that talent.

Love that roster. But how would we get Bullock?

We are talking about Monty and Dell possibly drafting a guy that didn't want to play D, correct?


Just checking. I thought this was Pelicans Report. I must have come to the wrong place because no one seems to know this team.

Trey Burke is going to be drafted way ahead of our selection (#6) unless we trade up for him.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

We are talking about Monty and Dell possibly drafting a guy that didn't want to play D, correct?


Just checking. I thought this was Pelicans Report. I must have come to the wrong place because no one seems to know this team.

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Oh you mean like Chris Paul. Because he didn't play any D outside of playing the passing lane leaving Wake Forest. It's not a matter of wanting to play D it's a matter of consistency. Some speculate that has heavy work load lead to his lack of defensives consistency.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

We are talking about Monty and Dell possibly drafting a guy that didn't want to play D, correct?


Just checking. I thought this was Pelicans Report. I must have come to the wrong place because no one seems to know this team.

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That's what I was thinking. There is no way we draft Burke. He doesn't fit what we're looking for. After watching his workout video and the DraftExpress video (in addition to the college games), I just can't think of a scenario in which we take him.

I don't think he's a bad player or will be. I see him as a lesser version of Damian Lillard, both offensively and defensively (which isn't good). Again, that just isn't what this team is about, and we won't take him.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Who is?

And to add to that Chris Paul wasn't Chris Paul until he started playing. If it could be redone you don't think the Bucks take Paul 1st overall?

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You're the main culprit with the Chris paul comparisons. I just read your last like 8 post and it' all comparing Burke to him. You can't say "who is" then compare them a ton of times.

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Originally Posted by da ThRONe

Oh you mean like Chris Paul. Because he didn't play any D outside of playing the passing lane leaving Wake Forest. It's not a matter of wanting to play D it's a matter of consistency. Some speculate that has heavy work load lead to his lack of defensives consistency.

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And Monty or Dell did not draft Paul. I'm just going off of what I do know about our Coach and GM.

From Draft Express......
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We already have a point that lets other guards get where they want in the paint. I don't see Monty drafting another.

Another thing I notice with Burke is that he rarely seems to just blow by defenders. He beats people with his hesitation dribble but doesn't seem to leave them in the dust. That defender is always still really close to him. That worked in college, will it work in the pros?

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

And Monty or Dell did not draft Paul. I'm just going off of what I do know about our Coach and GM.

From Draft Express......
Attachment 4937

We already have a point that lets other guards get where they want in the paint. I don't see Monty drafting another.

Another thing I notice with Burke is that he rarely seems to just blow by defenders. He beats people with his hesitation dribble but doesn't seem to leave them in the dust. That defender is always still really close to him. That worked in college, will it work in the pros?

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THIS

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Originally Posted by jsl05

That's what I was thinking. There is no way we draft Burke. He doesn't fit what we're looking for. After watching his workout video and the DraftExpress video (in addition to the college games), I just can't think of a scenario in which we take him.

I don't think he's a bad player or will be. I see him as a lesser version of Damian Lillard, both offensively and defensively (which isn't good). Again, that just isn't what this team is about, and we won't take him.

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THIS TOO.

I'm not a complete Burke hater or anything. I actually like him a lot as a player. I just agree with jsl that he doesn't fit what we seem to be looking for. He doesn't scream "Monty type player" to me. Take that for what it is. Not arguing, just stating.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

And Monty or Dell did not draft Paul. I'm just going off of what I do know about our Coach and GM.

From Draft Express......
Attachment 4937

We already have a point that lets other guards get where they want in the paint. I don't see Monty drafting another.

Another thing I notice with Burke is that he rarely seems to just blow by defenders. He beats people with his hesitation dribble but doesn't seem to leave them in the dust. That defender is always still really close to him. That worked in college, will it work in the pros?

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Rivers wasn't a great defender leaving Duke and his lane agility and 3/4 sprint times are well below Burke's.

People Demps traded for Grevis Vasquez and for Quincy Pondexter at that. Is GV a Demps/Williams type of defender?

I don't see Burke being that much of an improvement over Greivis

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Originally Posted by rebelman

I don't see Burke being that much of an improvement over Greivis

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Quicker, faster, better shooter, better vision, only an 1.5" less wingspan and more explosive all while being almost 6 years younger.

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

This has nothing to do with me being an avid Rivers supporter, but my bold statement is this:

The Pelicans will not select Trey Burke (if available) solely because of Austin Rivers. The more I really analyze it, I think we may take Zeller or Bazz.

I'm no psychic, though.

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I like Trey Burke, but I completely agree with you.

People continue to overlook just how much the team has invested in Rivers to become our future 1.

With that vision in mind, snagging a 7-footer to pair next to Davis (Zeller, Len) or a complimentary scorer to Gordon (Bazz) seems to be the most plausible approach.

First things first. Before the lockout-shortened season, we had no one on the team. There were barely any players and we needed spots filled. We did, however, have Ariza, Aminu, and Pondexter at the 3 and couldn't keep them all. So we traded Q-Pon for whatever we could get. We got Vasquez.

Based on Monty's interviews, we don't want another Vasquez or even GV himself. He said something along the lines of "Yea, we have guys that might get 20 and 10 but give up 35 and 15. We can't have that."

Can't wait for the 6th Pick Tourney on BSS. It's gonna be really interesting.

i still have a feeling that porter oladipo or mclemore fall to us at 6 and we take them, i still have a ton of faith in rivers, a ton, he was a kid last year, after an entire off season of training i really think we see something special in him this year. rivers gordon porter ryno davis, id love that. id even throw a max at jennings, in that case in 3 years if jennings works out, then great, if not rivers will be 23 and more than ready to take over.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

id even throw a max at jennings.

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Its not wise to waste money (and a lot of money at that) on players that dont deserve it.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

I like Trey Burke, but I completely agree with you.

People continue to overlook just how much the team has invested in Rivers to become our future 1.

With that vision in mind, snagging a 7-footer to pair next to Davis (Zeller, Len) or a complimentary scorer to Gordon (Bazz) seems to be the most plausible approach.

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What do we have invested in Rivers. A 10th pick? We've done nothing to the roster to adjust to Rivers being on this team. They want to make Rivers the starter, but as far as having invested anything it hasn't been much.

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Originally Posted by jsl05

First things first. Before the lockout-shortened season, we had no one on the team. There were barely any players and we needed spots filled. We did, however, have Ariza, Aminu, and Pondexter at the 3 and couldn't keep them all. So we traded Q-Pon for whatever we could get. We got Vasquez.
Based on Monty's interviews, we don't want another Vasquez or even GV himself. He said something along the lines of "Yea, we have guys that might get 20 and 10 but give up 35 and 15. We can't have that."

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So you take the BPA in trade, but not while drafting? Whether Demps view Burke as the BPA if/when he's there at 6 is a different issue. However if he is Dell's BPA you guys think he won't be drafted because of we have Austin Rivers or his inconsistency on defense? When he already draft Rivers last year despite having some defensive issues leaving Duke and trading for Vasquez who is a defensive liability.

Again nobody knows what Demps is going to do but, based on recent history if he has Burke top 6 on his board he'll take him at 6.

Drafting Rivers at the 10 spot is not a big investment especially him barely playing the point last season. Also he wasn't drafted to play the point. He was drafted because of his ability to create his own shot.

I think we can argue as fans that we have no idea how much they have invested in Rivers. Could be a lot or could be a little. Only people that know that are people like Dell and Monty.

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

I like Trey Burke, but I completely agree with you.

People continue to overlook just how much the team has invested in Rivers to become our future 1.

With that vision in mind, snagging a 7-footer to pair next to Davis (Zeller, Len) or a complimentary scorer to Gordon (Bazz) seems to be the most plausible approach.

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I assumed if we got Burke GV would be moved either via trade or to another position(SG,SF). That's IF the Rivers PG experiment works out (which i think it will).
Burke and Rivers can co-exist imo.