Pelicans picking for need?

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05-18-2013, 02:56 PM
nolaslim213

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

I've evaluated the advanced statistical metrics per age of Porter, Noel, Burke, Mclemore, and Shabazz. I looked at offensive/defensive rating difference, and win shares per 48 minutes by age. So far this is how they measure out:

1. Noel - (age 18) 31, 0.250
2. Porter - (age 18/19) 30.9/38.3, 0.240/0.315
3. Burke - (age 19/20) 5.1/24.3, 0.172/0.303
4. McLemore - (age 19/20), 28.1, 0.262
5. Shabazz - (20/21), 5.6, 0.185

Great stuff man. Could you add Zeller and Bennett into that mix please?
05-18-2013, 02:58 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by nolaslim213

Great stuff man. Could you add Zeller and Bennett into that mix please?

Working on it bro. I just did Oladipo. He measure slightly above Burke and below Noel and Porter. Zeller and Bennett are gonna be in the top of the list after they're added.
05-18-2013, 03:00 PM
Pelicans78

Noel - (age 18) 31, 0.250
Porter - (age 18/19) 30.9/38.3, 0.240/0.315
Oladipo – (age 18/19/20), 9.4/13/38.6, 0.175/0.194/.320
Burke - (age 19/20) 5.1/24.3, 0.172/0.303
McLemore - (age 19/20), 28.1, 0.262
Shabazz - (20/21), 5.6, 0.185
05-18-2013, 03:04 PM
Pelicans78

Here's a new thread I created for it as I update the list

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showth...04#post1080704
05-18-2013, 04:20 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

This screams PG or SF.

Yeeeeeep. Thought Porter will likely be gone when we pick.
05-18-2013, 04:23 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

Draft class looks mighty weak IMO. If we can't improve the 3 in this draft the only alternative I see to improving the 3 is to trade for Danny Granger.

Huh? There are plenty of FA 3's out there this year that could helps us if we don't take Porter. Webster Brewer Montell Buds etc etc
05-18-2013, 04:31 PM
Pelicans78

Webster was really good for Washington last season.
05-18-2013, 04:37 PM
Basketball Nate

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Originally Posted by Pelicans_fan_504

Why would we trade for a hurt aging 3

He's a proven player that's better than the rest of the other options out on the market.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Huh? There are plenty of FA 3's out there this year that could helps us if we don't take Porter. Webster Brewer Montell Buds etc etc

You just listed 3 average free agent journeymen players and counting.
05-18-2013, 04:44 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

You just listed 3 average free agent journeymen players and counting.

Giving up assets for granger isnt really a good idea either... We should just sign a FA SF (probably not long term) if we dont land one in the draft. Next year the draft is loaded at SF, so a FA would be a nice stpgap.
05-18-2013, 04:44 PM
Mido-Peja

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

#2 option is much better and it's not even close. IMO. Love drafting Burke in option 1 but don't want either of those guys to be our sf. Honestly I wouldn't take either of them over aminu at this point. I still have faith in aminu on this team. Whether that be as starter or backup. He has really Improved under monty

I definitely like Aminu especially as a defender and a rebounder. Thus, if it was Porter, I would draft him and move Aminu to the bench. If Porter is gone, I would draft Shabazz and keep him on the bench to replace Aminu and be a scorer for the 2nd unit.
05-18-2013, 04:49 PM
Basketball Nate

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Giving up assets for granger isnt really a good idea either... We should just sign a FA SF (probably not long term) if we dont land one in the draft. Next year the draft is loaded at SF, so a FA would be a nice stpgap.

Maybe it was just me but listening to Mickey Loomis at that press conference a few weeks ago. It didn't sound like he wanted to be part of picking early in the lottery again. I don't think upper management has the patience for this all youth movement option that's not producing any wins.
05-18-2013, 05:02 PM
JJackisangry

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

Maybe it was just me but listening to Mickey Loomis at that press conference a few weeks ago. It didn't sound like he wanted to be part of picking early in the lottery again. I don't think upper management has the patience for this all youth movement option that's not producing any wins.

I gotcha. I just dont think Granger is the right option. Its unfortunate that the FA class is this weak. I do agree that management probably wants to win soon.
05-18-2013, 05:06 PM
Topdawg26

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Giving up assets for granger isnt really a good idea either... We should just sign a FA SF (probably not long term) if we dont land one in the draft. Next year the draft is loaded at SF, so a FA would be a nice stpgap.

Yeah I think so too. I would look to build an inside-outside game first as my foundation. We have our franchise big man, and now we can get our franchise point guard in Burke if possible then look for a stop gap SF til next draft. If Burke isn't there, then you could go Potter or Bazz to get a nice SF. We are not in win now mode. We got to many young guys to expect to be championship and somewhat play off contenders. Even Monty, Dell, and Loomis said it's a three year process, and they are not even into year two.
05-18-2013, 05:10 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I gotcha. I just dont think Granger is the right option. Its unfortunate that the FA class is this weak. I do agree that management probably wants to win soon.

Granger is not the answer at sf. Ppl on here already have a b#%*= fit about Gordon. He is Gordon times 10 as far as knees being damaged. Unless he wants to sign a 1 year NON guaranteed 3m contract. Which he won't so it's def a no go lol. If we can't get porter or shabazz to plug in at the 3 in this draft. Like you said. We just need a serviceable stop gap guy for 1 year. Next years draft class is going to be so dam loaded at the sf position. I really like that randle kid.
05-18-2013, 05:12 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Yeah I think so too. I would look to build an inside-outside game first as my foundation. We have our franchise big man, and now we can get our franchise point guard in Burke if possible then look for a stop gap SF til next draft. If Burke isn't there, then you could go Potter or Bazz to get a nice SF. We are not in win now mode. We got to many young guys to expect to be championship and somewhat play off contenders. Even Monty, Dell, and Loomis said it's a three year process, and they are not even into year two.

Very well put sir.
05-18-2013, 05:28 PM
luckyman

For those who keep trying to bring the OKC model here, I believe they lose to Memphis with Westbrook. Memphis has been growing steadily into a yearly challenger and they did it with FAs and draft picks. I think we fit more into the Memphis model but there is no one size fits all formula either.

I am quite positive this front office believes New Orleans can attract some big name free agents and they will try to do so either this summer or next. This should be the final year of the lottery pick/tank crap.
05-18-2013, 05:55 PM
Topdawg26

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Originally Posted by luckyman

For those who keep trying to bring the OKC model here, I believe they lose to Memphis with Westbrook. Memphis has been growing steadily into a yearly challenger and they did it with FAs and draft picks. I think we fit more into the Memphis model but there is no one size fits all formula either.

I am quite positive this front office believes New Orleans can attract some big name free agents and they will try to do so either this summer or next. This should be the final year of the lottery pick/tank crap.

Actually OKC wasn't the first to use this model, it was the spurs (who Monty and Dell are a product of). The got their franchise pieces in Duncan, Manu, and Parker from the draft. I think we can get a great player in FA, but the Pelicans are in no way in win now mode. If you listen to all interviews from Pelican personnel they all say the same thing. They are in rebuilding mode, and it's a three year plan (starting last year). We got our franchise big man in AD and hopefully our franchise guard in Burke. Throw them in with key pieces like Rivers, Anderson, Lopez, Gordon (if they aren't fed up with him), GV and hopefully a big time wing in the draft next year then we have a contender in 3 years.
05-18-2013, 06:15 PM
Purple Haze

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

He's a proven player that's better than the rest of the other options out on the market.

You just listed 3 average free agent journeymen players and counting.

And how would that not help us again? Also I don't really count 26 year olds as journeymen...
05-18-2013, 06:24 PM
Pelicans78

This team has already proven to be building outside of the draft as well. Anderson and Gordon are examples of that. They weren't signed for a long rebuild.
05-18-2013, 06:25 PM
AUSSIE_PELICAN

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Huh? There are plenty of FA 3's out there this year that could helps us if we don't take Porter. Webster Brewer Montell Buds etc etc

Who is Montell?
05-18-2013, 06:29 PM
Flight of the Pelicans

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Originally Posted by Topdawg26

Actually OKC wasn't the first to use this model, it was the spurs (who Monty and Dell are a product of). The got their franchise pieces in Duncan, Manu, and Parker from the draft. I think we can get a great player in FA, but the Pelicans are in no way in win now mode. If you listen to all interviews from Pelican personnel they all say the same thing. They are in rebuilding mode, and it's a three year plan (starting last year). We got our franchise big man in AD and hopefully our franchise guard in Burke. Throw them in with key pieces like Rivers, Anderson, Lopez, Gordon (if they aren't fed up with him), GV and hopefully a big time wing in the draft next year then we have a contender in 3 years.

http://www.3sob.com/may-2013/the-gre...-history/7943/

This article shows the Memphis "model". It takes alot of luck, and I think we've got that on our side already
05-18-2013, 06:36 PM
Topdawg26

I'm not to sure Dell and Co. will go with luck.
05-18-2013, 07:01 PM
Basketball Nate

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

And how would that not help us again? Also I don't really count 26 year olds as journeymen...

None of those guys you mentioned are better players than Granger. Neither of them are much better than Al Aminu.
05-18-2013, 07:14 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Basketball Nate

None of those guys you mentioned are better players than Granger. Neither of them are much better than Al Aminu.

Granger's contract just isn't worth it. He's not the same player he was before the contract. He's basically become a guy settling for outside jumpers and now he has a bad knee. Taking on his contract would be doing the Pacers a huge favor. He will help with a few wins, but won't be a great impact or a great piece long-term. Doesn't fit the core age group of the team either.
05-18-2013, 07:17 PM
Basketball Nate

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

Granger's contract just isn't worth it. He's not the same player he was before the contract. He's basically become a guy settling for outside jumpers and now he has a bad knee. Taking on his contract would be doing the Pacers a huge favor. He will help with a few wins, but won't be a great impact or a great piece long-term. Doesn't fit the core age group of the team either.

How can an expiring contract become a liability to a team already with PLENTY of cap room?

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