AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Would go, but I'm unfortunately several thousands of miles away.

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you sure? food and drinks for season ticket holders..ill spot you a beer

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

you sure? food and drinks for season ticket holders..ill spot you a beer

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I'll get in contact with Griff and see if he can skip me over :hihi:

Thanks though

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

You're totally right.

Honestly, with some of the people on this board, you get the feeling that if we DID make the LA trade and Ingram had a recurring blood clot issue and had to retire early, and then Ball never learned to shoot, they'd turn around ranting like "I KNEW we shouldn't have taken the LA trade, we all KNEW the risks of Ingram's medical history! We all knew Lonzo couldn't shoot! Fire David Griffin!" Despite the fact that they've been pushing hard for an LA trade for months and hyping up Ingram like he's already a champ.

Just no consistency, all opportunism. Anything to be right, with some of these people.

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People make #AnyoneButTheLakers make it seems personal. I just think their assets are fools gold for multiple reasons that we've gone over multiple times. Also, I remember the last time I was fouled by an LA star, and his heart was in Phoenix. Sadly, not one of Lakers assets where as good as him before the trade, and I don't see how they'll become superstars o
While playing in a city that they probably don't want to be in... I rather get drafting assets.

New Orleans for some reason doesn't attract NBA stars. It is not a city for everyone if you want the glits and glamor of an LA. Which I grown to understand some of Dell Demps tactics of trading, because New Orleans would have to overpay to get simply marginal talent and MAX contracts nullify a lot of that. So, we lose a FA race 9 times out of 10.

I hope Zion changes that, but it takes a lot to change the culture, image, and status quo. Saints did it. I know the Pelicans can too.

I may be all alone on this but AD never gets traded to LA by me NO MATTER what assets the offer. He gets traded to someone in the east or not until next trade deadline. By the way, if we have to keep him till then, play him 40+ mins. EVERY GAME.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Do they still want Davis?

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“Kevin Durant has an Achilles injury”

Knicks Twitter after talking up the 2019-20 team: pic.twitter.com/y0A53E1HHL

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) June 11, 2019

There isn't a single person on this board that has advocated for the Lakers trade and only the Lakers trade. There are people who call out the BS on people who overly hate the Lakers trade but anyone who does that has also stated they love the Knicks and Celtics dream deals.

Straw men. Straw men everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

I may be all alone on this but AD never gets traded to LA by me NO MATTER what assets the offer. He gets traded to someone in the east or not until next trade deadline. By the way, if we have to keep him till then, play him 40+ mins. EVERY GAME.

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waiting to the next trade deadline is a high-risk maneuver as you have to factor in injury and/or him and his trade partner saying they will just wait to next season to move and we get nothing. The time is now.

AD talk @ ~2:45

If this is the take the market has with AD, and Kyrie gets scared into staying with Boston, the offers will be driven even further.

https://youtu.be/PzKCh6T0OG0?t=166

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

waiting to the next trade deadline is a high-risk maneuver as you have to factor in injury and/or him and his trade partner saying they will just wait to next season to move and we get nothing. The time is now.

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IF LA is only offer. AD is sol if he wants to be traded before then no matter the consequences from my perspective.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

There isn't a single person on this board that has advocated for the Lakers trade and only the Lakers trade. There are people who call out the BS on people who overly hate the Lakers trade but anyone who does that has also stated they love the Knicks and Celtics dream deals.

Straw men. Straw men everywhere.

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There were quite a few people who wanted to take the Lakers trade at the deadline without ever giving the Celtics a chance to even bid.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

AD talk @ ~2:45

If this is the take the market has with AD, and Kyrie gets scared into staying with Boston, the offers will be driven even further.

https://youtu.be/PzKCh6T0OG0?t=166

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It’s simple economics, supply and demand. A lot of NBA teams have cap space for Max contract guys to help them get to the playoffs next year. With KD being down, he won’t be helping anyone get to the playoffs, so an already frenzied AD market just turned into an even more heated one since it is down KD.

I imagine whatever Griff wants he is going to get.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

There were quite a few people who wanted to take the Lakers trade at the deadline without ever giving the Celtics a chance to even bid.

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There honestly may have been only a few of us posting in total then, lol.

But that's slightly different. That was people who got scared by Magic Johnson threatening to pull out of trade talks forever. Since that time, I haven't seen anyone stating the Lakers All In package is better than the Knicks and Celtics All In packages.

Should Bos make a reasonable offer now that KD is down and us accept, I would expect KI to stay put

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

There isn't a single person on this board that has advocated for the Lakers trade and only the Lakers trade. There are people who call out the BS on people who overly hate the Lakers trade but anyone who does that has also stated they love the Knicks and Celtics dream deals.

Straw men. Straw men everywhere.

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There are also weasels that have pretended to have inside knowledge of a deal with the Lakers going down. If anything, they know they can’t be proven wrong with their “heads I win tails you lose logic.” If a deal with the Lakers goes through, they say I told you so. If it doesn’t, they won’t be held accountable because everyone else isn’t arsed about being right. It’s childish.

As for my stance on the Lakers, I am fine with it as long as Ball is shifted somewhere else. I’d prefer another deal, but if the rumors of Ball for 6, 7 are true, I can get on board.

And finally, you are just as obnoxious. You seem to think you are a some super rational dude, but you are coming across as a tool.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Here's a trade I could see the Celtics making if they can reconcile with Kyrie.

Trade of the Day!!

Celtics
AD
Solo

Pelicans
Hayward
Brown
Williams
14,20,22
Memphis pick


Kyrie and Tatum have the same agent and are both a part of the Kobe Admiration Society. The issues for that team with with other guys, and not those two. They get along great according to Jackie MacMullen. Hayward is a former All Star, who would slot it at the best small forward the Pels have had since Mashburn if the Pelicans med staff can continue to get him back to preinjury level. He satisfies Griff's demands for an All Star. Jaylen Brown is a potential All Star at SG. He appears to be a great person off the court who has already been elevated by his peers to a position on the NBAPA executive committee. Williams and all the picks provide you with future assets. The Memphis pick is a shiny object that could be special. A lot of versatility to trade up or for players with 3 picks this year. And you get to dump Solo.

The Celtics get to keep Tatum, minimizing risk that AD leaves. Keeping him is a big win for them. They also keep Smart.
Tatum, Kyrie, AD, Smart, Horford is what you want if you're them, and that's a legit top East team who can convince AD to resign.

2019/20 Pels:

Jrue
Brown
Hayward
Zion
Rotating Centers

That's not bad.

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Originally Posted by Silver Nail

I may be all alone on this but AD never gets traded to LA by me NO MATTER what assets the offer. He gets traded to someone in the east or not until next trade deadline. By the way, if we have to keep him till then, play him 40+ mins. EVERY GAME.

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Can't agree with this.

I hate LA, sure, and their current stock of assets is very largely disappointing.

But if they flipped Ingram and Ball into something more appealing and made the clear best offer, I'd take it. Even though I hate 'em. Gotta keep the franchise future in mind.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Can't agree with this.

I hate LA, sure, and their current stock of assets is very largely disappointing.

But if they flipped Ingram and Ball into something more appealing and made the clear best offer, I'd take it. Even though I hate 'em. Gotta keep the franchise future in mind.

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Im with you. I overall prefer the knicks trade potential but if ball can be traded to phoenix to get that 2019 1st round #6 pick and ingram being shuffled somewhere im in. I would especially like a 2020 1st round pick for him as its looking like picking up a great PG next year in the draft is more then possible. Payton is a great PG and we can add more depth next year.

If the Lakers package is only slightly, slightly better than another package, take the other package. Watching them crumble has a value in and of itself.

Only if it's super close though.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

Im with you. I overall prefer the knicks trade potential but if ball can be traded to phoenix to get that 2019 1st round #6 pick and ingram being shuffled somewhere im in. I would especially like a 2020 1st round pick for him as its looking like picking up a great PG next year in the draft is more then possible. Payton is a great PG and we can add more depth next year.

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Given the Ingram health and upcoming contract, I'm ok with it. Get the 6/7 for Ball, a 1st this year or next for Ingram + whatever, plus Lakers 2020, 2022 and 2024 picks. Lakers can keep Kuzma and that other stuff. If that's the best deal it seems ok to me. It's a lot of picks (5), but we could package them in the future to get other guys if we want.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

There isn't a single person on this board that has advocated for the Lakers trade and only the Lakers trade. There are people who call out the BS on people who overly hate the Lakers trade but anyone who does that has also stated they love the Knicks and Celtics dream deals.

Straw men. Straw men everywhere.

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You sure about that?

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Originally Posted by Primetime

If the Lakers package is only slightly, slightly better than another package, take the other package. Watching them crumble has a value in and of itself.

Only if it's super close though.

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Sure, if it's a case of the Lakers deal is 98% perfect, and the Knicks deal is 94% perfect, take the Knicks.

But if the Lakers are the clear, clear best option (Lakers deal 98% perfect, Knicks maybe 85%) then take Lakers.

This is not the first time this has happened and it's clear that Davis isn't just working his way out the door, he'd like to burn the door to the ground on the way out.

— Jeff Siegel (@jgsiegel) June 10, 2019

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

You sure about that?

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Ok. Other than 13-3, there isn't. Sorry. :D

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

There are also weasels that have pretended to have inside knowledge of a deal with the Lakers going down. If anything, they know they can’t be proven wrong with their “heads I win tails you lose logic.” If a deal with the Lakers goes through, they say I told you so. If it doesn’t, they won’t be held accountable because everyone else isn’t arsed about being right. It’s childish.

As for my stance on the Lakers, I am fine with it as long as Ball is shifted somewhere else. I’d prefer another deal, but if the rumors of Ball for 6, 7 are true, I can get on board.

And finally, you are just as obnoxious. You seem to think you are a some super rational dude, but you are coming across as a tool.

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Again, no one on this board has stated to have inside info on a deal going down with the Lakers. If the price I pay for correcting people like you that just makes stuff up to sound right is to be called obnoxious and a tool, I'll take that. It's better than creating fake issues to sound cool.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

This is not the first time this has happened and it's clear that Davis isn't just working his way out the door, he'd like to burn the door to the ground on the way out.

— Jeff Siegel (@jgsiegel) June 10, 2019

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Why it got to be this way... We are giving him what he wants with trading him...

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Again, no one on this board has stated to have inside info on a deal going down with the Lakers. If the price I pay for correcting people like you that just makes stuff up to sound right is to be called obnoxious and a tool, I'll take that. It's better than creating fake issues to sound cool.

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“posters apparently have been creeping around GM offices and know exactly what the plans are”

Mate this is an actual post from you about NM and co. You can’t make this up. You are a flip flopper too

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Ok. Other than 13-3, there isn't. Sorry. :D

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Well Davis said it is either NY or LA. Also Mr. Davis hates Boston.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Why it got to be this way... We are giving him what he wants with trading him...

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They would like to set the terms of the deal... it is expected as AD has been catered to his entire time in NO.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Well Davis said it is either NY or LA. Also Mr. Davis hates Boston.

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Serious question: do you think that Davis can veto a trade?

Do you actually think that?

Edit: He definitely could end up in LA. I'm not saying that won't happen. It could: they're very interested and could move assets to improve their offer. I'm just saying that acting like Davis' desire to go to LA is what will decide his destination is bonkers

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Serious question: do you think that Davis can veto a trade?

Do you actually think that?

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To be fair, you are right he cannot veto it but if his agent speaks to that team it could affect the trade as they will only look at it as a one year deal changing everything. On the other hand if they say hey team we will stay long term that team may look at the value of the trade overall more as long term value.

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Originally Posted by Pels4Life

They would like to set the terms of the deal... it is expected as AD has been catered to his entire time in NO.

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I think he doesn't want teams to give up too much for him. So, he tries to drive down his value. It's pretty crappy. Why can't we be compensated fairly.

I thought the Kawhi situation was bad, but AD has been... Hold my beer.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I think he doesn't want teams to give up too much for him. So, he tries to drive down his value. It's pretty crappy. Why can't we be compensated fairly.

I thought the Kawhi situation was bad, but AD has been... Hold my beer.

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I don't blame him. He wants to keep all the assets he can but thats not how this goes. You know what they say...if you going to be stupid you better be tough.

Vegas odds -

LA -500
Knicks +375
Stay +4000

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I think he doesn't want teams to give up too much for him. So, he tries to drive down his value. It's pretty crappy. Why can't we be compensated fairly.

I thought the Kawhi situation was bad, but AD has been... Hold my beer.

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The Kawhi, George, and Irving trades were terrible for the Spurs, Pacers, and Cavs. I just hope we do much better.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Vegas odds -

LA -500
Knicks +375
Stay +4000

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Are these real? If so, where are you getting these odds? Is that AD's team on opening day? If so, +4000 is an awesome bet.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Why it got to be this way... We are giving him what he wants with trading him...

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He may just be trying to lessen the impact of a trade for him by his new team...

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

The Kawhi, George, and Irving trades were terrible for the Spurs, Pacers, and Cavs. I just hope we do much better.

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At the time the George deal was panned, but Sabonis/Dipo turned out to be a good haul.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Are these real? If so, where are you getting these odds? Is that AD's team on opening day? If so, +4000 is an awesome bet.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/bleacherr...163417088?s=21

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Originally Posted by bogiesfedora

At the time the George deal was panned, but Sabonis/Dipo turned out to be a good haul.

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The Boogie trade worked out fantastic for the Kings.

Pelicans wanting third team in Davis trade is a good thing for Celtics https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pelican...?.tsrc=fauxdal

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Originally Posted by Hoochican

Pelicans wanting third team in Davis trade is a good thing for Celtics https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pelican...?.tsrc=fauxdal

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Not sure of their logic. They seem to think that by adding a 3rd team, they would not have to give up as much.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Not sure of their logic. They seem to think that by adding a 3rd team, they would not have to give up as much.

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Yeah, kinda weird. They'd still have to give up all their assets, they'd just be going two places instead of one

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Originally Posted by Taker597

The Boogie trade worked out fantastic for the Kings.

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Yep.

And AD is better than Boogie, or Paul George.

The Knicks have reached out to other teams engaging in trade talks in an effort to improve their offer for Anthony Davis, per @SBondyNYDN.

— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) June 11, 2019

I feel like we heard this before, but here's the update anyway.

Griffin wants teams to either exchange their assets for better ones, or do a three team deal.

Nothing new, we already heard this from Woj about the Lakers, but here it is about NY.

If we see other teams assets as not much of an improvement over ours it makes sense to ask other teams to cobble together something more valuable to us. It is not just the independent value of the player we get, rosters are capped after all and minutes are limited. How much better are they then the person they would replace and what are the contracts for both.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Serious question: do you think that Davis can veto a trade?

Do you actually think that?

Edit: He definitely could end up in LA. I'm not saying that won't happen. It could: they're very interested and could move assets to improve their offer. I'm just saying that acting like Davis' desire to go to LA is what will decide his destination is bonkers

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Jim Jackson vetoed a trade in 2005. The commissioner also has veto powers. See Chris Paul.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1968071

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Jim Jackson vetoed a trade in 2005. The commissioner also has veto powers. See Chris Paul.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1968071

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Big difference between an owner (stern and the NBA were technically the owners of the Pelicans) and a player vetoing a trade. Anthony doesn’t have that authority.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Jim Jackson vetoed a trade in 2005. The commissioner also has veto powers. See Chris Paul.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1968071

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Derek Harper and Derrick Fisher both “vetoed” trades to Utah. Harper deal was cancelled and Fisher was bought out. They both refused to even get on a plane

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Jim Jackson vetoed a trade in 2005. The commissioner also has veto powers. See Chris Paul.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1968071

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Yeah, we all know the commissioner has certain powers. But given that this team HAS an owner (which we didn't when the CP3 thing went down) and Adam Silver is generally content to let teams make their own moves (Kawhi, PG13, for example), we have no good reason to think he would interfere with a trade just because he would personally prefer AD to play somewhere else.

Gonna need more info on the Jim Jackson thing. I wasn't an NBA fan in 2005, his Wikipedia page makes no mention of it, and googling ''Jim Jackson 2005 trade veto'' turns up nothing.

Unless a player has a no trade clause or has the ability (due to signing as a restricted free agent) to veto a trade by the rules, a player cannot simply veto a trade. The commissioner did not veto the CP3 trade, the defacto owner did that.