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The Warriors believe Kevin Durant’s MRI on Tuesday will confirm a torn right Achilles’ tendon, league sources tell me and @wojespn
— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) June 11, 2019
Why would the Knicks be worried about who they were going to pair with AD this year when AD has already said publicly he would stay there long term?
The Knicks main goal should be getting AD on their team, especially now lore than ever, so they can attract more players the next summer.
If anything I could see the KD injury making them more desperate to get AD.
If the Lakers trade happens, I wonder how many around here would root for them?
AD said he would stay there long term, with the full expectation that he would be teaming up with a healthy Kevin Durant in New York, and possibly Kyrie Irving as well. New York, today, has to decide if they're going to still offer Kevin Durant a 4 year max contract. Griff isn't going to back off his timeline. He's not going to give New York extra time to make their decision because KD got hurt. NY may decide to still give KD a 4 year max. AD may decide that playing a year in New York without KD (and likely on a bad team) is worth it, to play with a hopefully healthy KD in 2020/21 season.
There are lots of ways this could go, but Pelicans fans tend to not be able to see the other shoe until it drops. All I try to do is point out "hey, you know there's a shoe cloud over your head?"
People seem to be doing the same thing with LBJ as they did with Melo. The decline is clear. His body can't handle the grind as well. He played in a career low number of games this season and played over 1000 less minutes over the course of this season compared to last.
He's still a really good player but he's only going to decline from here. It really feels like next year might the last year Lebron can perform at what is considered LeBron’s level. Maybe 2 years. We've already seen defensively how he doesn't do much there anymore.
If the Lakers are unable to bring in a 3rd star I don't think LBJ and AD alone are going to be able to carry them deep into the playoffs. That's assuming that LBJ doesn't miss another 30 games and with no help AD is. Unable to get them into the playoffs.
AD said he wanted to go there at the deadline before any of the KD talk or most of the Kyrie talk. I don't think anyone has denied that there are multiple ways all this could play out...
We've already won no matter how this plays out because by not trading we got Zion which is the most valuable piece we potentially could have gotten for AD. Everything else is extra.
The difference seems to be while most here admit there's multiple ways this could go, most expect it will break the Pelicans way.
You seem dead set on assuming everything will crumble until the Pelicans. This is the reason you wanted to trade with LA before the deadline, this seems to be the reason you try to downplay what Toronto did in trading for Kwahi, and you are now doing the same with the KD injury.
Everyone has known KD was leaning toward the Knicks, even before they cleared the two max spots by trading Kristaps. KD and Draymond had their fight about it in November, and it was in the public space before then. I've always believed Kyrie was leaving Boston. Dude never wanted to be traded there and hasn't vibed with teammates or the fans. My informed belief has always been that unless something drastic happened, Kyrie was leaving Boston and it would ultimately impact what they were willing to offer for AD. And that when/if the team with the best potential draft package dropped out, it would impact what we received from other teams.
Before the deadline, as soon as AD made his demand, I wanted to trade him to the Knicks - not the Lakers.
My only take on the Lakers is that their package is actually good - not that I want him traded there. They offered the Pelicans everything, because they were bidding against a mythical Celtics offer. Now they're bidding against a Knicks team that has to probably gather themselves today to figure out what they're going to do. It's naive to think things didn't change at all for the Knicks last night. The Knicks probably don't know the answer to that yet.
Nothing is crumbling around the Pelicans. They won the lottery and are building a great front office. I feel like as a fan I don't want to be like an oblivious AirBnB tourist. I want to walk, chew gum, and happily whistle my marry self around your neighborhood, but I also better know where the potholes and dangers are because they're real.
Toronto risked nothing. They'd already reached a championshipless ceiling, and their goal was to win a title. It's not the same thing as expecting the Celtics to risk a promising core and future assets on AD.
A Toronto level offer from the Celtics would be something like Hayward, Williams, and the 22nd pick for AD and Moore. People really need to stop comping the two situations, unless they're willing to take comparable return.
If everyone here was doom and gloom, my inclination would probably be to point out the positive. Just trying to bring balance to the board. And I'd think at this point, since I've been mostly right since February about how this would play out, that would be appreciated!
Reading all these great points followed by the massive eye roll from the Nostradamus comment. Not really much has happened yet that everyone on the board didn't see coming.
With these FA superstar dropping like flies. It should drives up the price for AD.
Sadly, I drop a 3-4 year Max on KD if we wasn't soo close to 34. Hell, I might still do it. Let him miss a year and let the team rebuild, collect another lotto pick. Crazy strategy.
Sadly, I think he is pretty adament in staying in a large market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDbiaTkpgqg&t=49s
Woj and others said the Knicks were going to be aggressive. We know they offered Kristaps. Once the Kristaps trade was done, we could assume they would offer the assets they received from that deal. That's the trade I wanted. The same one people say they want now.
We never heard of any offer once the Pelicans rejected Kristaps. Even as late as last week, we heard rumblings that they would not part with the #3. There was likely no deal to take that made sense for the Pelicans at the deadline and any team would wait until all offers were on the table before trading a super star rather that rush it in 10 days just to appease the player and/or fans.
You use the term everyone loosely.
I argued for weeks with people about whether Boston would be interested and how we were putting our faith that there would be a massive Boston offer in the hands of a dude who believed the earth was flat! And that the Lakers/Knicks offers were good enough to accept before the deadline, because we couldn't control external events that could impact the return. Basic risk/reward analysis. In the end, we lucked up and got Zion. So it doesn't matter... but if we get a Toronto level trade in return for AD we're going to be kicking outselves because DeRozan/Poeltl/#29 level return is not where our expectations have been set on this board.
The huge assumption you are making is that the offers we speculate about on a message board are indeed those that are offered to the Pelicans. Other than the Lakers offer, which was publicly announced, we all are still just speculating based on rumors. So, who is to know whether the offers available at the deadline were "good enough" to forego the opportunity to hear all offers on a timeline dictated by the Pelicans and not AD's agent.
I would argue that even that same deal is not the the same as it was a the deadline. Since then, Ingram's blood clot issue was discovered and Ball continues to have foot problems and the Lakers have gotten a better pick than expected. Do all of those changes wash?
Maybe. There is also the issue of how our record and the Lakers record would have changed had we taken that offer at the deadline. Would it have changed our group of number or the Lakers group of numbers in the lottery such that we do not get Zion and/or they do not get #4?
This is exactly the point folks were making in February.. which is why I stopped arguing about hypothetical and only talked about the Lakers deal. Which is why I guess folks forgot that I actually wanted the Knicks deal to begin with! IMO, rehashing old debates again, the Lakers deal was "good enough" because the Celtics deal was hypothetical as well. I also told everyone we were going to have to play AD if we kept him. And while it worked out, no one got hurt, and even though we didn't tank properly we won the lottery - the smarter play was to tank and not put the team in the awkward spot of playing/risking AD.
"The Pelicans, according to an ESPN report, weren't enamored by any offer the Knicks or any other suitors had made for Davis. So the Knicks had engaged in some dialogue with teams in an effort to improve their offer for Davis, per SNY sources. It's unclear how far along -- if at all -- any of that dialogue was, but some people in the organization were uncomfortable with the idea of trading away significant assets for Davis, citing the way things played out for New York in the wake of the Carmelo Anthony trade, per SNY sources."
SOURCE: https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/rippl...ange/307960890
(quoting an ESPN report)
Clearly there's no point in arguing about what was... because time travel, and erasing the photo of our parents.
My only point is that some of this stuff - is predictable and we don't have to wait until a Woj bomb to consider the likelihood of certain things happening and their impacts on the Pelicans if they do.
No.
No no no. You're not getting away with this!
You argued that we should take the Lakers deal because Magic Johnson threatened that it was then or never to trade with them. And you bought it. He said they were pulling their offer forever, you believed it, and you were convinced Boston wouldn't offer us the farm (and that might be right) and that with the Lakers out of the bidding, no one else would want in and Boston would low ball us.
Don't try this "I predicted everything right" trash because so far you've been the most off.
Not quite, but ok. I'm not above arguing with a dude on a message board about his/her lack of understanding of my point. But not today.
If that's what you think I argued, that's fine. It's not what I thought I was arguing at the time, but I fully recognize I may have left it nuanced enough for you to interpret it that way.
Dude.
We were all here. And you posted your point like a thousand times so we all have it engraved in our brains. Magic Johnson threatened that if the trade didn't happen before the deadline, the deal was off forever and you panicked.
It was like post after post about how we would be screwed if we didn't take the Lakers deal right then. Get out of here with the "I predicted it" stuff. I like your other points but Imma make sure you don't get away with that con job.
- the league would force us to play AD (this board said that couldn’t happen) and we should be tanking
- we were risking an AD injury
- the Celtics offer would never materialize, and that would hurt our leverage
My thoughts had nothing to do with Magic’s threat. Magic’s post playing career in NBA has been a clown show.
I want you to stop acting like you are some great amazing predictor of basketball things when you aren't. EVERYTHING you posted before the trade deadline was based on your belief the Lakers would back out of the bidding.
This site has great stuff but it is infested by people who think their opinions on players are absolute and no other opinion can be right and others who pretend they can predict every move when the NBA's "insiders" are more propaganda mouth pieces for various entities than actual reporters. I'm calling people out.
And I'm not saying I'm right all the time. Or even half the time. I waffle on positions every day I post here. But I don't try to lord predicitons over people when I get them right, I certainly don't try to con people when I'm wrong, and I respect that other people can see things in players that I don't and that I am not some amazing scout....just an internet poster.
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Here's a trade I could see the Celtics making if they can reconcile with Kyrie.
Trade of the Day!!
Celtics
AD
Solo
Pelicans
Hayward
Brown
Williams
14,20,22
Memphis pick
Kyrie and Tatum have the same agent and are both a part of the Kobe Admiration Society. The issues for that team with with other guys, and not those two. They get along great according to Jackie MacMullen. Hayward is a former All Star, who would slot it at the best small forward the Pels have had since Mashburn if the Pelicans med staff can continue to get him back to preinjury level. He satisfies Griff's demands for an All Star. Jaylen Brown is a potential All Star at SG. He appears to be a great person off the court who has already been elevated by his peers to a position on the NBAPA executive committee. Williams and all the picks provide you with future assets. The Memphis pick is a shiny object that could be special. A lot of versatility to trade up or for players with 3 picks this year. And you get to dump Solo.
The Celtics get to keep Tatum, minimizing risk that AD leaves. Keeping him is a big win for them. They also keep Smart.
Tatum, Kyrie, AD, Smart, Horford is what you want if you're them, and that's a legit top East team who can convince AD to resign.
2019/20 Pels:
Jrue
Brown
Hayward
Zion
Rotating Centers
That's not bad.
If Hayward was playing at the level he was before his injury, there is no way you get him in this deal, and get all the other stuff as well.
Going into this season, he will be 2 years removed from the injury, and either we have faith in our new medical staff and sport science partnerships or we don't. If Hayward returns to preinjury level, he's worth his contract and this deal is a banger for the Pelicans.
Knicks should be offering us everything right now if they want Davis.
The argument people made at the deadline wasnt just about some mythical Boston offer. That's a gross simplification and misinterpretation of what we were saying.
The MAIN arguement for not trading AD to ANY team at the deadline was, it made our pick and their picks worse, it reduced our chances of getting Zion and didn't allow us the ability to negotiate with whichever team did get Zion.
The second point was that it allowed for all teams to be involved in negotiations with us, not 10 days out and just the Lakers and NY but the entire league had time to make offers.
Third point was these two factors outweighed the risks of keeping AD.
The fact we won the lottery means we 1000% made the RIGHT decision in not trading AD. Anyone trying to go back and repaint history needs to stop. You were wrong. Period.
That's not really how trust in the medical staff works.
The reason you get a strong medical staff isn't because you believe they're magicians who can fix any and all injuries and return players to former glory. The reason you get a strong medical staff is to increase the likelihood of them returning, and to.prevent injury in the first place.
To "have faith" in the med staff isn't to assume they can take a Hayward that's playing at 10% of his capacity and put him back at 100%. That's just expecting too much. Injuries are injuries and Nelson is good but he isn't Jesus. Instead, a more reasonable assumption is that they can take Hayward from 10% of himself maybe back to 50% or 60%. That's still a big improvement, but it's not all-star level.
Anything beyond that is just whether you think Hayward is naturally going to recover well, or not. I personally don't, you seem to think he will, either way is defensible. But let's not act like this point is solely a medical staff issue, cause it's not.
You're totally right.
Honestly, with some of the people on this board, you get the feeling that if we DID make the LA trade and Ingram had a recurring blood clot issue and had to retire early, and then Ball never learned to shoot, they'd turn around ranting like "I KNEW we shouldn't have taken the LA trade, we all KNEW the risks of Ingram's medical history! We all knew Lonzo couldn't shoot! Fire David Griffin!" Despite the fact that they've been pushing hard for an LA trade for months and hyping up Ingram like he's already a champ.
Just no consistency, all opportunism. Anything to be right, with some of these people.
In my humble opinion of all that I air on the side of the butterfly effect. In chaos theory, the butterfly effect dictates that one small change can have a ripple effect through the whole system which can potentially change the future. So whatever happened brought us here and if it went any other way it may have not. I think we are in a pretty good place so...it is what it is.
On a side note, anyone going to the Draft Party @ Fulton square? Think ill head up there and support the party.