Well whatever guard we get (hoping for Powell) I wish we’d take a run at Portis. Brings shooting, toughness, Championship experience and can play the 4 or 5 which = legitimate backup for Zion and insurance for Jax.
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08-02-2021, 02:54 PMTennMan23
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08-02-2021, 02:55 PMPELICANSFANPretty much. All 3 teams wanting to be able to claim to have gotten something for their restricted FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 02:55 PMDarkhorse985I like Graham as a top half of the league 6th man. We still can sign Dinwiddie as our starting PG.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-02-2021, 02:55 PMBert123
Report: Pelicans x Bulls X Hornets have discussed a potential three-team trade;
— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) August 2, 2021
Pelicans - Devonte Graham
Bulls - Lonzo Ball
Hornets - Lauri Markkanen
(via @Krisplashed) pic.twitter.com/twaXTYMapf -
08-02-2021, 02:58 PMPELICANSFANDinwiddie reportedly getting offers in the $22 million as year range. Gotta think he is getting out of our range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
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08-02-2021, 03:00 PMDarkhorse985I don’t believe there is a huge market for Dinwiddie at all. I think that is all spin from his agent to drive up the price. We could pivot to Norman Powell as our starting SG and have Graham as our starting PG. Name someone else besides the Pels that would pay a poor 3 point shooting PG coming off an ACL injury that kind of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-02-2021, 03:01 PMSpeakthetruth
Graham...eh
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08-02-2021, 03:03 PMPELICANSFANPowell would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkhorse985
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08-02-2021, 03:06 PMPelicanidae
Cam Payne is expected to re-sign with the Suns for around $6 million per year, per @JakeLFischer.
— Evan Sidery (@esidery) August 2, 2021
That’s a steal for Phoenix if that materializes.
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08-02-2021, 03:07 PMhornetzplayaWell, it isn't my first choice but I don't hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-02-2021, 03:09 PMSpeakthetruth
Yeah thats crazy good for the suns. Payne can get more
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08-02-2021, 03:16 PMPELICANSFANI'm sure his agent has been shopping around. Maybe there was not as robust a market as he thought and he did not want to chance losing out in Phoenix if they felt they needed a decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
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08-02-2021, 03:24 PMUNO Gracias$20+M for Dinwidee (and that body) is comical. I hope we aren’t going after him at that price tag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 03:29 PMjawznolaHorrible tradeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bert123
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08-02-2021, 03:32 PMTaker597So... I think I'm currently a fan of Point Zion with that option and price. Get Bobby Portis, Norman Secretary of Defense Powell, and maybe drag in Kevin Love washed up corpse after he gets bought out.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNO Gracias
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08-02-2021, 03:32 PMPelicanidaeDepending on the money, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
Graham isn't a top shelf player but he's a very good shooter (shot basically the same percentage as Lonzo this year on considerably higher volume, did the same last year, is a better FT shooter and gets to the line more) and a perfectly good passer.
If you end up getting Graham at like, $7m a year, that's way way way better value than Lonzo at $20m. Obviously if it's Graham for $18m instead then it's a different story, but the reality is Graham's probably much cheaper than Lonzo for 90% of the offensive production.
The one major concern is defense but honestly, Graham isn't that bad defensively. You wouldn't want him guarding Lillard or anything but tbh, I don't see Graham as a starter anyway. Getting him for relatively small money to be a nuclear bench piece is good imo.
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08-02-2021, 03:36 PMhornetzplayaJust me assuming here. But Graham is gonna get like 15 to 18M. Anything less than 16M and I'm an extremely happy camper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 03:37 PMTaker597
So... The Bulls are trying to swing another Sing and Trade for Derozan
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08-02-2021, 03:37 PMPelicanProfI agree. I stated that earlier. If you can get Devonte at a decent price I really like the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 03:38 PMjawznola
I rather let Kira or NAW start at PG if that’s the case. I just think there’s way more value we can get for Lonzo, he’s a very hot commodity in this market and we better capitalize off of the frenzy that’s about to ensue. Otherwise, this is just another missed opportunity.
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08-02-2021, 03:38 PMPELICANSFANAnd VucQuote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 03:39 PMPELICANSFANGraham is going to cost much more than $7 million a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelicanidae
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08-02-2021, 03:40 PMAs I See ItMe too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jawznola
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08-02-2021, 03:40 PMmsusousaphoneWelcome back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert123
I'd say the board has been doing pretty well the past year. Good info. Mostly good discussions. We get petty sometimes, but that's message boards. It's definitely better than it's been in quite a long time. -
08-02-2021, 03:42 PMTaker597They gotta play at an absurd pace to make up for that defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
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08-02-2021, 03:42 PMjawznola
Every move the Pels make should be from the perspective of “does this make our team better??” If not, then they shouldn’t make the move. Trading Lonzo for Graham does not accomplish this at all, in fact I’m willing to bet that Zion and Ingram would be slightly pissed that Lonzo got traded for DEVONTE GRAHAM??!!
Whoever we move Lonzo for has to be a guy whom the current roster would respect as an accomplished player and a potential friend/teammate. That’s just the way it works these days, unloading Lonzo for anything less is a complete fail. -
08-02-2021, 03:42 PMPelicanidaeFor real.Quote:
Originally Posted by PelicanProf
Like, removing name bias from it, which would you rather have? Numbers given are per 100
Player A:
22/7.2/8.7 on 55.1%TS
12.5 3PAs on 37.8%
.091 FTR
+1.6BPM
25%AST, 14%TOV
+0.7 D-EPM (77th percentile)
or
Player B:
24/4.4/8.7 on 55.2% TS
14.0 3PAs on 37.5%
.236 FTR
+0.5 BPM
27%AST, 10%TOV
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08-02-2021, 03:43 PMPelicanidaeProbably but that's why I'm saying wait and see before just going ''UGH BAD TRADE''Quote:
Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN
Like yeah, if it's Graham for Lonzo and they both cost $20m it's not great. If it's Graham for Lonzo and Lonzo costs $22m and Graham costs $12m, suddenly it's actually pretty damn fine imo. -
08-02-2021, 03:47 PMmsusousaphone
Yeah. Getting just Graham back for Zo sounds meh. But that's NBA trades, sometimes. Especially sign and trades. I'm sure there will be picks involved.....
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08-02-2021, 03:47 PMTaker597
After seeing Lonzo get cooked by
Lillard 3X
Curry
Murray
Colby White
Lavine
Fox 3x
Etc
Why we talking about Balls defense? -
08-02-2021, 03:52 PMbradaelPelicans must have a free agent or two in mind. If Hart goes to Charlotte and Lonzo to Chicago, even with Graham returning that’s a ton of cap space.Quote:
Originally Posted by msusousaphone
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08-02-2021, 03:52 PMhornetzplayaThe majority of those were high screen and rolls. Adams couldn't switch well enough and Zo just got cooked that way. It's not totally on him. Plus bled didn't help anything either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 03:53 PMAs I See It
I hope the Pels (or somebody) shows Willy H'Gomez some respect early in the process. He's much better than an afterthought or 'camp body'.
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08-02-2021, 03:55 PMAs I See ItSee Eric BledsoeQuote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 03:57 PMnew city champ
Synthesizing reports out there, doesn't a three-way sign and trade among the Pels, Bulls and Pacers work centered on:
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08-02-2021, 03:57 PMmsusousaphoneThat's a list of players that tends to blow up a lot of people and I know this is bait.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
But again, dead horse, Lonzo Ball is 23 and defense is a skill that tends to get even more honed later in careers. That he's good now, has great work ethic, and the intangibles it takes to be a great defense shows that he is on a trajectory to be a great defender. -
08-02-2021, 03:58 PMPelicanidaeIn fairness to Ball, he is generally quite good off-ball. He is absolutely not an on-ball defender, for sure. Cannot navigate a screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 03:59 PMSpeakthetruth
J.E. Skeets
@jeskeets
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Hollinger: "The Pelicans are desperate to win, and now. [?] They're are all in on Lowry. Two of Dallas, Miami or New Orleans will lose."
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08-02-2021, 04:01 PMSpeakthetruthHuh the pacers would never do thatQuote:
Originally Posted by new city champ
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08-02-2021, 04:07 PMPelicanidaeI would be trusting Woj over Hollinger. If Woj says it's basically a done deal, it's a done deal. Barring major disaster on Miami's end, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
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08-02-2021, 04:09 PMTennMan23This! Except the Love part of course. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 04:09 PMsmcgull
When people say that the players don't do certain things well, I have to ask, What are the coaches there for? These coaches are good they got two players that the Lakers had to play a lot better. Maybe not defensively, but Wille was a defensive coach with the Suns. If he is as good at coaching defense as the Pelicans asst. were at coaching offense, they can get someone who is not perfect and coach them up. I really hope they can do that with the rookie and second year players.
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08-02-2021, 04:11 PMbradaelCould be a ploy from his agent… “Lowry a done deal to Miami… unless you throw in a couple more million.”Quote:
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08-02-2021, 04:12 PMTennMan23
Graham?? Another small PG (6’1”)? Don’t we already have one of those?
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08-02-2021, 04:15 PMTaker597
45 minutes... Excited for the chaos.
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08-02-2021, 04:17 PMbradael5 o’clock free crack giveawayQuote:
Originally Posted by Taker597
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08-02-2021, 04:17 PMhornetzplaya
It's about to go down..... Expect some people to like it and most to hate it.
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08-02-2021, 04:19 PMTaker597Kind of genius, but wack to do FA at 6 PM. Wish it was 8 am sharp.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradael
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08-02-2021, 04:22 PMPelicanidae
This is important not just for the personnel reasons, but also for what it means in an outgoing vs. incoming salary sense. Sato in means less money devoted to Graham, which makes me feel a lot better. https://t.co/pJ6UxKELPe
— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) August 2, 2021
Sato is good also, good player. Solid depth piece: replaces Josh Hart as well for basically the same money as Hart would potentially get this year. -
08-02-2021, 04:22 PMPELICANSFAN
League sources believe the Spencer Dinwiddie sweepstakes are a three-way race between the #Pelicans, #Knicks and possibly #Wizards. I’m told the Pels have been coveting Dinwiddie and could they have the inside track - perhaps w/a longer deal that would pay him upwards of $20M per
— Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) August 2, 2021