AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I’d bet both my balls that Griffin meant a young all star and not Blake I need a cane Griffin. Also, 7 or 8 seed is exactly what we want to avoid

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''You know what we need? Injury ridden players on the downside of their career who have been continual disappointments and can't carry teams to the playoffs in the East.''

''Griff, are you drunk?''

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

''You know what we need? Injury ridden players on the downside of their career who have been continual disappointments and can't carry teams to the playoffs in the East.''

''Griff, are you drunk?''

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It would be a useless acquisition to me personally. As a rebuilding team, you don’t bring in someone that old unless you are on the verge of contending.

Griffin made this exact "wants for AD" list before even becoming EVP or whatever he is. I could also see this as a media leak to get teams to throw in more draft picks and potential guys. The sliding scale comment points to it. That line sticks out to me.

For example, let's say NY and Boston sent low offers that left off ancillary players or draft picks (like the Knicks offered just the #3 and DSJ but nothing else or Boston offered Tatum, Smart, and a 1st but nothing else)...this is Griff's way of letting teams know "you don't have everything I want, like an all-star player, so you need to really be forthcoming with those other assets to make up for it". Maybe they make magic happen and we get everything Griffin wants from a 3rd team....if not, they need to load up on the rest.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

It would be a useless acquisition to me personally. As a rebuilding team, you don’t bring in someone that old unless you are on the verge of contending.

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Agreed. He's what, 30? Has only played more than 70 games once in the last 5 years.

He's a great player, very good passer for a big man, has expanded his range well, etc etc, but he's just not right for us here.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Well that would be Ball (all-star), Ingram (all-star potential), and then draft picks. Even with no Kuzma....both stories check out.

Also, if I go missing.....Dae did it.

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Blake's younger than Durant. He's a multi time All Star, including last year. Played 75 games last season. Had one of the best years of his career.

And was 3rd team All NBA. You'd also be getting the #4 pick in the draft. And Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart.

No one in the Celtics package has ever made an All Star team, not to mention even sniffed All NBA, yet people keep throwing them out as a possibility.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Blake's younger than Durant. He's a multi time All Star, including last year. Played 75 games last season. Had one of the best years of his career.

And was 3rd team All NBA. You'd also be getting the #4 pick in the draft. And Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart.

No one in the Celtics package has ever made an All Star team, not to mention even sniffed All NBA, yet people keep throwing them out as a possibility.

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Hey what if Atlanta does a sign and trade and get get John Collins, Vince Carter, and three firsts?


Vince Carter has made all-star teams. If age, injuries, and winning don't matter at all, why not? Who says no?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

*breaks a glass bottle on the ground*

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The conversation is fast becoming a confrontation. Lol

But Zion is essentially just a shorter Blake Griffin clone at his ceiling. So it would be a good mentorship. And yes this is trolling. I can't help myself today. I will try to contain myself better.

Blake is also owed over 40m a year because he signed the supermax before being traded. He's good and one of the few bigs in the league that can pair well with Zion but let's not pretend it's all roses with him. He has some value but he's due A LOT of money.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Blake's younger than Durant. He's a multi time All Star, including last year. Played 75 games last season. Had one of the best years of his career.

And was 3rd team All NBA. You'd also be getting the #4 pick in the draft. And Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart.

No one in the Celtics package has ever made an All Star team, not to mention even sniffed All NBA, yet people keep throwing them out as a possibility.

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Blake is on the exact same career path as Amar'e Stoudemire. Check out his stats in the first year or two with the Knicks. The decline comes fast. He hasn't been dunking the ball (his dunk numbers went WAY down after 25 years old). His athleticism is diminishing quickly. Is he skilled. Yes. He probably has a maximum of 3 more really good seasons. Still, expect his efficiency to slowly decline from here on out until he becomes unplayable (he's not good on D).

“Hi, I’m looking to acquire a player that will give me little to no return on investment and will ensure mediocrity for the next 5-6 years. Preferably one that will tank my draft pick and begin to fall of a cliff in a year or two. Blake Griffin?! Take my money!” David Griffin, fired Pelicans NBA GM, 2019

Also Durant signed for the Warriors who were actually competing for titles before he arrived. Poor comparison

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

My ideal Boston trade:

Boston: AD, Etwaun Moore, & Solo Hill

Pels: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Robert Williams III, Suns pick #6, & Boston’s pick #22

Suns: Terry Rozier, Boston’s picks 14 & 20, Boston’s pick #51, & our pick #57.

Phoenix trades the 6th pick cause the Cavs take their target Darius Garland at 5. We take Jarrett Culver at 6 and Naz Reid or the best big at 22.

C: Okafor, Williams
PF: Zion, Reid
SF: Tatum, Brown
SG: Jrue, Culver
PG: Smart, F Jax

I could seriously get down with that depth chart.

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Why would Boston do it? And "they really want AD" isn't an answer. Everyone really wants AD, but it has to make sense. In this deal, Boston is giving up everything for AD and two bad contracts. The Celtics as an organization are run too well to make a deal like this.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

“Hi, I’m looking to acquire a player that will give me little to no return on investment and will ensure mediocrity for the next 5-6 years. Preferably one that will tank my draft pick and begin to fall of a cliff in a year or two. Blake Griffin?! Take my money!” David Griffin, fired Pelicans NBA GM, 2019

Also Durant signed for the Warriors who were actually competing for titles before he arrived. Poor comparison

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

The conversation is fast becoming a confrontation. Lol

But Zion is essentially just a shorter Blake Griffin clone at his ceiling. So it would be a good mentorship. And yes this is trolling. I can't help myself today. I will try to contain myself better.

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I draw the line at insulting Zion. We have to fight now.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

As some reports have teams dropping out of the AD sweepstakes, I expect more reports like the one about the Blazers of “dark horse” teams going after AD. I take all of this with a grain of salt.

IMO, it’s Lakers, Knicks, or Celtics. Just like it’s always been.

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If it's Lakers or Knicks, there will have to be a third team involved. For being a "preferred destination" for AD, they don't have enough to give back on their own. The Boston deal is looking more and more unlikely, mainly because without a commitment from Kyrie, trading for AD doesn't help Boston move the needle enough to give up their young talent. You can take "dark horse" rumors with a grain of salt, but that's because there are so many possibilities, not because they won't happen.

Personally, I appreciate all the scenarios and possibilities. However, I simply see Griffin looking towards the future rather than the now. I most likely see the trade going towards the Lakers and a third team Suns/Bulls going similar to the lines of:

Pels: Ingram, Hart or Kuzma, #4 pick, Bulls or Suns 1st rounder

Bulls or Suns: Lonzo, Pels 2nd rounder (maybe both)

Lakers: AD, (Some filler players)

I think getting 3 pick in this years draft (the first 7 pick I think are great potential) would set us up pretty well. Just as long as we pick correctly which we havent done well at in recent years.

Based on his desires, Portland may not be in a terrible spot. Although McCollum is not an all-star, he may be the closest thing we have seen in rumored deals to date. I guess it would depend on what Griffin thinks of Collins and Simmons. Portland does not have the picks, but could get them by taking on a bad deal.

There is smoke suggesting this deal will be between Pels, Lakers, and team(s) X. My call for what the Pels get in that case is
Lakers 2019 pick
Ingram
Decent Player X
Bad Salary Player X
2-3 1sts with at least an unprotected one on a middling team

At this time, reading between the lines, it seems like Boston is probably tapped out on what they are willing to offer. If Griffin truly wants an all-star it will likely be Beal.

Here is the trade that makes the most sense

Lakers: AD

Wizards: Kuzma, Ball, Solomon Hill, #4 pick

Pelicans: Beal, Ingram, Hart, #9 pick and Lakers 2021 1st .


Draft top 10.

1. Zion
2. Morant
3. Barrett
4. Culver
5. Hunter
6. Garland
7. White
8. Hayes
9. Reddish
10. Langford or Little

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Originally Posted by hornetzplaya

Personally, I appreciate all the scenarios and possibilities. However, I simply see Griffin looking towards the future rather than the now. I most likely see the trade going towards the Lakers and a third team Suns/Bulls going similar to the lines of:

Pels: Ingram, Hart or Kuzma, #4 pick, Bulls or Suns 1st rounder

Bulls or Suns: Lonzo, Pels 2nd rounder (maybe both)

Lakers: AD, (Some filler players)

I think getting 3 pick in this years draft (the first 7 pick I think are great potential) would set us up pretty well. Just as long as we pick correctly which we havent done well at in recent years.

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Yea. Ultimately the Laker deal looks something like this. And the Boston deal I think would look something like:

Tatum
Filler
Memphis pick + one other draft pick

I think from LA's end this works cause they get their guy. And from Boston's end this works because they have enough around AD to compete in the East and lure him to stay.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

There is smoke suggesting this deal will be between Pels, Lakers, and team(s) X. My call for what the Pels get in that case is
Lakers 2019 pick
Ingram
Decent Player X
Bad Salary Player X
2-3 1sts with at least an unprotected one on a middling team

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Is there "smoke", or is it just a lot of people blowing smoke?

And if there is legitimate smoke, could we have a source, please?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Is there "smoke", or is it just a lot of people blowing smoke?

And if there is legitimate smoke, could we have a source, please?

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Man, by the time you have a legitimate source, it's an all-out fire.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Is there "smoke", or is it just a lot of people blowing smoke?

And if there is legitimate smoke, could we have a source, please?

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Wojnarowski. He didn’t name names but set out the parameters of a deal.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

There is smoke suggesting this deal will be between Pels, Lakers, and team(s) X. My call for what the Pels get in that case is
Lakers 2019 pick
Ingram
Decent Player X
Bad Salary Player X
2-3 1sts with at least an unprotected one on a middling team

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I know everyone seems to want Beal. Would Washington consider-

LAL: AD
WAS: Ball, Kuzma, Hart, LAL 2020 top 4 protected 1st
NOP: Beal, Ingram, Wagner, LAL 2019 #4, LAL 2020 2nd.

Is that enough for Washington to consider?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I know everyone seems to want Beal. Would Washington consider-

LAL: AD
WAS: Ball, Kuzma, Hart, LAL 2020 top 4 protected 1st
NOP: Beal, Ingram, Wagner, LAL 2019 #4, LAL 2020 2nd.

Is that enough for Washington to consider?

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See my deal above which makes more sense for Washington.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Wojnarowski. He didn’t name names but set out the parameters of a deal.

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Yeah, I saw that. But Woj didn't "suggest the deal will be between" anyone. He laid out the parameters by which a trade could be made with LA, but he also made comments towards the Knicks, and Boston.

Is it fair if I say "there's smoke suggesting this deal will be between NO, NY, and whoever NY can get to take the Dallas picks"?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, I saw that. But Woj didn't "suggest the deal will be between" anyone. He laid out the parameters by which a trade could be made with LA, but he also made comments towards the Knicks, and Boston.

Is it fair if I say "there's smoke suggesting this deal will be between NO, NY, and whoever NY can get to take the Dallas picks"?

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Right now, it is likely the Knicks don’t have the fire power to pull an all star (Beal) from a 3rd team. The Lakers and Boston do. Reading between the lines, it seems like Boston is only willing to give up so much. Insert Lakers and a 3rd team.

If anything Woj story threw shade on the Lakers. This is a quote from his article:

"For example, those sorts of scenarios could include the Lakers helping to find a team that hypothetically values Los Angeles' young players more than New Orleans does"

This does not sound like he's heard the Pelicans are interested in the Lakers players much at all.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

Right now, it is likely the Knicks don’t have the fire power to pull an all star (Beal) from a 3rd team. The Lakers and Boston do. Reading between the lines, it seems like Boston is only willing to give up so much. Insert Lakers and a 3rd team.

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What do the Lakers have that would enable them to score a star that the Knicks don't?

You'd have to value Ingram or Ball extremely highly, because they have less in the way of draft capital than the Knicks.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

What do the Lakers have that would enable them to score a star that the Knicks don't?

You'd have to value Ingram or Ball extremely highly, because they have less in the way of draft capital than the Knicks.

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See my trade proposal.

Lakers: AD

Wizards: Kuzma, Ball, Solomon Hill, pick #4 (Culver)

Pelicans: Beal, Ingram, Hart, pick #9 (Hayes or Reddish), 2021 Lakers 1st.

That is a good deal for Washington who is salary locked and not a player to dramatically improve their team otherwise.

John Wall will likely not play until 2020

Wizards lineup

PG: Ball
SG: Culver
SF: Ariza/Parker
PF: Kuzma/Portis
C: Bryant/Howard

Pelicans lineup

PG: Holiday/Payton/Jackson
SG: Beal/Moore/Hart
SF: Ingram/Reddish/Williams
PF: Williamson/Mirotic/Diallo
C: Okafor/Wood/Reid

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

If anything Woj story threw shade on the Lakers. This is a quote from his article:

"For example, those sorts of scenarios could include the Lakers helping to find a team that hypothetically values Los Angeles' young players more than New Orleans does"

This does not sound like he's heard the Pelicans are interested in the Lakers players much at all.

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Which falls in line with what Griff said months ago, when LA made the godfather offer with all the players and all the picks. He tweeted out that New Orleans could get "far more" than that.

LA could still be the team AD.goes to depending on what other teams get involved, but if it's then it's definitely a multiteam trade. No doubt.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

See my trade proposal.

Lakers: AD

Wizards: Kuzma, Ball, Solomon Hill, pick #4 (Culver)

Pelicans: Beal, Ingram, Hart, pick #9 (Hayes or Reddish), 2021 Lakers 1st.

That is a good deal for Washington who is salary locked and not a player to dramatically improve their team otherwise.

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I wouldn't mind that trade TOO much (wouldn't love it either, since I don't like Ingram much), but if we pick Reddish at #9 I'd be worrying. I don't like his game at all. He's historically bad at scoring at the rim, his defense is hit or miss due to obvious IQ issues, he's got no handle at all, and he changes his three point release when contested. That's not good.

Plenty of better names with similar ceilings and higher floors available at that spot.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I wouldn't mind that trade TOO much (wouldn't love it either, since I don't like Ingram much), but if we pick Reddish at #9 I'd be worrying. I don't like his game at all. He's historically bad at scoring at the rim, his defense is hit or miss due to obvious IQ issues, he's got no handle at all, and he changes his three point release when contested. That's not good.

Plenty of better names with similar ceilings and higher floors available at that spot.

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The smoke I was talking bout was the current outlook of the FA market, Lakers having the probability of offering the most (most desperate), and Mac all of a sudden going to bat for the Lakers pieces(jk..but its a funny coincidence.) Its not much smoke, but I feel its the most we have. Had Kyrie told Boston he would resign Boston would just floor us and this deal is done.

Would love if Boston were able to get Indiana involved to get Turner. If we could end up with Tatum, Turner and the 2020 Memphis pick, it would be a home run.

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Originally Posted by Smow-

The smoke I was talking bout was the current outlook of the FA market, Lakers having the probability of offering the most (most desperate), and Mac all of a sudden going to bat for the Lakers pieces(jk..but its a funny coincidence.) Its not much smoke, but I feel its the most we have. Had Kyrie told Boston he would resign Boston would just floor us and this deal is done.

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Mac was batting for Portland last night :hihi:

I agree there have been some signs towards the Lakers, arguably. But those same signs have been floating around for other teams too. LA are still very much in the discussions, as much as I don't love their assets, but I don't see any reason to think they're favourites.

Knicks: AD

Wizards: Etwaun Moore, Solo Hill, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, & 2021 Knicks 1st round pick

Pels: Bradley Beal, Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, 2021 Dallas 1st round pick


Supposedly Griffin wants an All Star(Beal), a potential All Star(Barrett), and a couple 1st rounders(get one & a starting center instead). I would be fine with just getting those 4 assets cause Beal & Barrett should be All Star caliber players here. I just don’t know if the Wizards would take that deal for Beal. I may throw in pick 37 to make it happen. I would love to get RJ to go with Zion, but we need another potential All Star since we giving up a top 5 player and the Knicks don’t have anyone that fits that category.

The only problem is Jrue would have to bite the Wizard I mean Bullet 😉 and be our starting point guard.

C: Robinson
PF: Zion
SF: Barrett
SG: Beal
PG: Jrue

I’m sorry but Naz Reid is a damn good player. Not too many guys in the league at that size can handle the ball and shoot it like him. His handles is what makes him so intriguing to me. He is the perfect big man for today’s NBA cause he’s good on the pick & roll or the pick & pop. He’s a good rebounder, especially on the offensive boards. If he went to Duke or Kentucky he might be a lottery pick IMO. He could be a steal in the back of the first round. I know I have some bias, but I’ve seen him in just about every game of his career. I think Waters should of came back to school though and may not get drafted. So I’m not too biased haha

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Knicks: AD

Wizards: Etwaun Moore, Solo Hill, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, & 2021 Knicks 1st round pick

Pels: Bradley Beal, Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, 2021 Dallas 1st round pick


Supposedly Griffin wants an All Star(Beal), a potential All Star(Barrett), and a couple 1st rounders(get one & a starting center instead). I would be fine with just getting those 4 assets cause Beal & Barrett should be All Star caliber players here. I just don’t know if the Wizards would take that deal for Beal. I may throw in pick 37 to make it happen. I would love to get RJ to go with Zion, but we need another potential All Star since we giving up a top 5 player and the Knicks don’t have anyone that fits that category.

The only problem is Jrue would have to bite the Wizard I mean Bullet �� and be our starting point guard.

C: Robinson
PF: Zion
SF: Barrett
SG: Beal
PG: Jrue

I’m sorry but Naz Reid is a damn good player. Not too many guys in the league at that size can handle the ball and shoot it like him. His handles is what makes him so intriguing to me. He is the perfect big man for today’s NBA cause he’s good on the pick & roll or the pick & pop. He’s a good rebounder, especially on the offensive boards. If he went to Duke or Kentucky he might be a lottery pick IMO. He could be a steal in the back of the first round. I know I have some bias, but I’ve seen him in just about every game of his career. I think Waters should of came back to school though and may not get drafted. So I’m not too biased haha

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This would be amazing, but I don’t see the wizards taking this. Also, I completely agree about Naz Reid. People on this board are extremely biased and think every LSU is overrated. If you like a LSU player, you are a LSU homer. Naz Reid is a versatile true center who can shoot and made some big plays in the clutch to win games this year. We would be lucky if Reid lasted until pick #39.

Seems like New York only chance is to cut a deal with Washington for Beal..

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

This would be amazing, but I don’t see the wizards taking this. Also, I completely agree about Naz Reid. People on this board are extremely biased and think every LSU is overrated. If you like a LSU player, you are a LSU homer. Naz Reid is a versatile true center who can shoot and made some big plays in the clutch to win games this year. We would be lucky if Reid lasted until pick #39.

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Can we stop pretending that the only reason people say things is because they have innate biases that they're being dishonest about?

I don't care that Naz Reid went to LSU. I don't care about LSU. What I care about is the players, their bodies, and their game.

Naz Reid is undersized, and overweight. Yes, he could lose weight, sure, but what does it tell you about someone's work ethic when they show up at the combine with 15% body fat? Nobody else in the entire combine had a bf%age higher than 10%, NOBODY. He's 6'9 as a centre. His wingspan is good, but not incredible.

Compare him to other prospects predicted to go in the second round.

Naz averaged less points than Mfiondu Kabengele. He averaged less rebounds than Mfiondu Kabengele, Jontay Porter, and Nicolas Claxton (all of whom are taller than him, and weigh less, with the same wingspan). He averaged less assists than Porter and Claxton. He averaged 0.9 blocks per game: all three of those other names averaged at least 2.5.

He shot 33.3% from three, which is lower than Porter and Kabengele. He shot FTs worse than Porter and Kabengele. His TS% and his eFG was lower than Porter's and Kabengele's. He had the lowest three point attempt rate and the lowest FTA rate out of all four names. He had the lowest PER out of all four. The lowest net rating. By far the lowest BPM. And all this despite having the second highest usage rate, after Kabengele's!

People don't like Naz Reid cause he's not a great prospect. It has nothing to do with LSU.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Knicks: AD

Wizards: Etwaun Moore, Solo Hill, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, & 2021 Knicks 1st round pick

Pels: Bradley Beal, Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, 2021 Dallas 1st round pick


Supposedly Griffin wants an All Star(Beal), a potential All Star(Barrett), and a couple 1st rounders(get one & a starting center instead). I would be fine with just getting those 4 assets cause Beal & Barrett should be All Star caliber players here. I just don’t know if the Wizards would take that deal for Beal. I may throw in pick 37 to make it happen. I would love to get RJ to go with Zion, but we need another potential All Star since we giving up a top 5 player and the Knicks don’t have anyone that fits that category.

The only problem is Jrue would have to bite the Wizard I mean Bullet �� and be our starting point guard.

C: Robinson
PF: Zion
SF: Barrett
SG: Beal
PG: Jrue

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I like it (resign Elfrid!), but I think the Wizards hang up the phone. So I think you'd have to sweeten it quite a bit. Let's try:


Knicks: AD

Wizards: Etwaun Moore, Solo Hill, Frank Jackson, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, & 2021 Knicks 1st round pick, 2021 Dallas or 2021 New Orleans 1st round pick (New Orleans has swap rights/higher pick)

Pels: Bradley Beal, Mitchell Robinson, RJ Barrett, 2021 Dallas or 2021 New Orleans 1st round pick (New Orleans receives higher pick)

Hawks: AD

Pels: Trae Young, John Collins, Omari Spellman, Kevin Huerter, picks 8, 10, & 17

Draft: Cam Reddish, Nassir Little, and the best big available at 17 hopefully Kabengele falls there. It may be dumb to double up on two small forwards, but I think they would be the two best players available & Reddish can play the 2. If Little didn’t go to UNC and started last year he might be a top 5 pick IMO. Dude has some serious talent.

C: Collins, Kabangele
PF: Zion, Spellman
SF: Reddish, Little
SG: Jrue, Huerter
PG: Young

We wouldn’t be getting an All Star, but a bunch of potential ones. I rather go with another trade, but just looking at the possibility. I think Reddish & Little both have big time potential. If both of them had went to another school where they were the main guy they both could be seen as top 5 guys IMO.

Reddish is absolutely not the best player available at 8 or 10.

No way Hawks move both Trae and Collins.

IF the Woj report should be taken literally, what All Stars could be available.

IMO, looking at the list from the last 3 years, it's only:

1. Beal - can he be acquired? Wiz don't have a GM. Would he resign, or is he a two year rental?

2. Griffin - can he duplicate his 75 games, 3rd Team All NBA performance from 2018/19 season? What are the opportunity cost of paying him a supermax over the next 3 seasons?

3. DeRozan - Would he be a one year rental? How does he fit with Jrue and Zion?

4. Love - Cheaper than Griffin, but for one year longer - which is worse IMO. Similarly, what are the opportunity costs? Will he ever be healthy?

5. Dragic - Does he opt in so that he can be traded? Is he healthy? He's a former All Star - but has less value than other players that would have to be thrown in. Does that satisfy "All Star" in Griff's mind?

6. Ben Simmons - This would have to represent the sliding scale version of the deal, because they don't have much else to add

Who is the most attainable and likely on this list??

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

IF the Woj report should be taken literally, what All Stars could be available.

IMO, looking at the list from the last 3 years, it's only:

1. Beal - can he be acquired? Wiz don't have a GM. Would he resign, or is he a two year rental?

2. Griffin - can he duplicate his 75 games, 3rd Team All NBA performance from 2018/19 season? What are the opportunity cost of paying him a supermax over the next 3 seasons?

3. DeRozan - Would he be a one year rental? How does he fit with Jrue and Zion?

4. Love - Cheaper than Griffin, but for one year longer - which is worse IMO. Similarly, what are the opportunity costs? Will he ever be healthy?

5. Dragic - Does he opt in so that he can be traded? Is he healthy? He's a former All Star - but has less value than other players that would have to be thrown in. Does that satisfy "All Star" in Griff's mind?

6. Ben Simmons - This would have to represent the sliding scale version of the deal, because they don't have much else to add

Who is the most attainable and likely on this list??

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I was a bit confused by the report. I doubt he thinks he can get all of that, so I am assuming it just allows him to ask for more assets when a team cannot meet all the requirements. Outside of Beal, not alot there to get overly excited about.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

I was a bit confused by the report. I doubt he thinks he can get all of that, so I am assuming it just allows him to ask for more assets when a team cannot meet all the requirements. Outside of Beal, not alot there to get overly excited about.

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I agree with this. That's probably why he put that sliding scale in: oh, you don't have an all-star? That's cool, then get picks, or multiple possible future all-stars.

It's a pretty common negotiating tactic: make yourself appear to be accommodating by giving a ton of options, knowing that some options are difficult-to-impossible to achieve, thus guiding people towards the option you preferred in the first place.

He may NOT be doing this, but it would make sense.

Just got an alert from bleacher per Shams that AD has chosen NYK and LAL as his long term destinations.

Yes. Klutch has finally joined the chat room again.

Good for him. https://t.co/0uqTNBSTLC

— Tyler (@TMDillo5) June 10, 2019

AD: ''So, I really, REALLY, really only want to go to NY or LA.''

Griff: ''Cool, so Boston's got a pretty good package they could offer. LA has some stuff but they'd need a third team to add assets because we don't want Ingram and Ball as the best pieces. Brooklyn could potentially make a pretty decent deal, and as wildcards, hey what about maybe Portland or Atlanta?''

AD: ''Uh, Griff, I said LA or NY only! That's all I want, I'm heart-set on there!''

Griff: ''....So as I was saying, Portland or Atlanta are options if they're willing to include picks, but I'm not sure we can't orchestrate a three team deal here.''

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Originally Posted by DroopyDawg

Just got an alert from bleacher per Shams that AD has chosen NYK and LAL as his long term destinations.

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Yeah saw that. Coming from Shams, we know this is Klutch trying to sabotage a deal with other teams.

Remember when Kwahi only wanted to go to LA and now the Raptors are one win away from being Champions? The greatest reason to ever completely ignore what players say pre trade and just go out and try putting a winning team together.