Pels Off season thread

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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
about 7 minutes ago
Miami's status as the favorite to land Kyle Lowry was only enhanced by the decision to pick up Goran Dragic's option for next season, league sources say. A sign-and-trade with Toronto for Lowry centered around Dragic's $19.4MM deal for next season is an obvious route to a deal.

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Good. Can we please get Brogdon now

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
3 minutes ago
Chicago's interest in restricted free agent Lonzo Ball continues to be hotly discussed in league circles 26-ish hours away from free agency (officially) starting. Question to consider: If New Orleans isn't getting Kyle Lowry, why not keep Lonzo? More: marcstein.substack.com

TBH, Miami is the better spot for him. Jimmy Butler is hungry and in his prime, and when adding Bam to the picture, thats a nice nucleus. Im at peace with Lowry not joining, especially with the costs that it would take.

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

TBH, Miami is the better spot for him. Jimmy Butler is hungry and in his prime, and when adding Bam to the picture, thats a nice nucleus. Im at peace with Lowry not joining, especially with the costs that it would take.

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I wouldn't have a problem with the cost, but man... Does it seem we have super bad luck with these moves never working out for us

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I wouldn't have a problem with the cost, but man... Does it seem we have super bad luck with these moves never working out for us

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Do what I did: assume the offseason will be a disaster. If even one thing goes well, it's a positive.

As far as I'm concerned, getting off Bledsoe and adding JV is already a win. My extremely low expectations have already been surpassed.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Do what I did: assume the offseason will be a disaster. If even one thing goes well, it's a positive.

As far as I'm concerned, getting off Bledsoe and adding JV is already a win. My extremely low expectations have already been surpassed.

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I just don't wanna see a 3 year 105 million for Kyle Lowry. That's my only way I see this being bad for us. A 1+1 PO... Would be my preferred deal.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

I just don't wanna see a 3 year 105 million for Kyle Lowry. That's my only way I see this being bad for us. A 1+1 PO... Would be my preferred deal.

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I don't think a 3yr/$105m deal would be notably bad.

As Shamit pointed out earlier, if Lowry were to be wrapped into the Memphis deal (as he should be) then there's no difference between $30m a year (which would be $90/3yrs) and $36m a year (3yrs/$102m) when it comes to our options. The higher yearly amount doesn't actually limit what we can do any more than the lower amount does. So the only difference, practically speaking, is how much it costs the people paying and I don't care about that at all.

Edit: particularly if, of course, you can get that third year only partially guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't think a 3yr/$105m deal would be notably bad.

As Shamit pointed out earlier, if Lowry were to be wrapped into the Memphis deal (as he should be) then there's no difference between $30m a year (which would be $90/3yrs) and $36m a year (3yrs/$102m) when it comes to our options. The higher yearly amount doesn't actually limit what we can do any more than the lower amount does. So the only difference, practically speaking, is how much it costs the people paying and I don't care about that at all.

Edit: particularly if, of course, you can get that third year only partially guaranteed.

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Man... Going to be fun evening Monday. I hope we come out good.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Man... Going to be fun evening Monday. I hope we come out good.

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Or at least, not bad.

As long as we don't trade away any really good stuff for bad stuff, or take on tons of bad money (bloated, lengthy contracts for mediocre players, etc) then I don't really mind. Either make the team better or stay the course. Please no massive mess ups.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I don't think a 3yr/$105m deal would be notably bad.

As Shamit pointed out earlier, if Lowry were to be wrapped into the Memphis deal (as he should be) then there's no difference between $30m a year (which would be $90/3yrs) and $36m a year (3yrs/$102m) when it comes to our options. The higher yearly amount doesn't actually limit what we can do any more than the lower amount does. So the only difference, practically speaking, is how much it costs the people paying and I don't care about that at all.

Edit: particularly if, of course, you can get that third year only partially guaranteed.

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Doesn't make any sense. Maybe he is looking at first year only. Of course adding $6 million a year has ramifications over the term of the contract.

I am worried we should be preparing ourselves for Griff to overpay Dinwiddie as our starting PG next year. Just feels like something he would do.

So, what is everyone?s opinion on plan B if the Pelicans miss out on Lowry? I also agree that a large Dinwiddie contract would be a terrible idea. Although, that could be something that Langdon may push for as he is very familiar with Dinwiddie through the Nets.

Charlotte is allowing G Malik Monk to become an unrestricted free agent, and extends qualifying offer to make G Devonte Graham a restricted free agent, per team.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 1, 2021

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, what is everyone?s opinion on plan B if the Pelicans miss out on Lowry? I also agree that a Large Dinwiddie contract would be a terrible idea.

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I would like to try and acquire Sexton or if the rumors of a 4/$80 million contract for Ball, match that and keep him. I really do not want to see us paying someone like Dinwiddie $20 million a year.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Charlotte is allowing G Malik Monk to become an unrestricted free agent, and extends qualifying offer to make G Devonte Graham a restricted free agent, per team.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) August 1, 2021

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Another day, then we can see where all these strange pre moves are going to end up.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, what is everyone?s opinion on plan B if the Pelicans miss out on Lowry? I also agree that a large Dinwiddie contract would be a terrible idea. Although, that could be something that Langdon may push for as he is very familiar with Dinwiddie through the Nets.

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So... What are all of our attainable options even if we don't care for it?
1. Sign and Trade for Lowry
2. Trade for Dragic
3. Trade for Brogdon
4. Tim Hardaway Jr
5. Extend Lonzo
6. Dennis Schroder
7. Trade for Ricky Rubio
8. Sign Dinwiddie
9. Sign a bottom of the barrel guy - Peyton, Derrick Rose, Reggie Jackson



Am I missing anyone else?

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Originally Posted by Taker597

So... What are all of our attainable options even if we don't care for it?
1. Sign and Trade for Lowry
2. Trade for Dragic
3. Trade for Brogdon
4. Tim Hardaway Jr
5. Extend Lonzo
6. Dennis Schroder
7. Trade for Ricky Rubio
8. Sign Dinwiddie
9. Sign a bottom of the barrel guy - Peyton, Derrick Rose, Reggie Jackson



Am I missing anyone else?

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You would have to get close to #25 to list all the available ones. Far more than that with us able to either go cap room or uneven trade packed into the Memphis trade. And you didnt even list my favorite one - Norman Powell.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

So, what is everyone’s opinion on plan B if the Pelicans miss out on Lowry?

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It depends who gets him. I feel the path forward if the Heat trade for him will alter things. Can’t say we’ll just go sign whomever per say.

Los Angeles Clippers star Kawhi Leonard is expected to decline his $36 million player option to become an unrestricted free agent, league sources tell @YahooSports.

— Chris Haynes (@ChrisBHaynes) August 1, 2021

Not a surprise, even if he stays in LA (which I think he probably will) he was going to turn this down and try and get more money/years. But there it is.

Phoenix Suns’ Chris Paul is declining his $44.2 million player option for the 2021-22 season and becoming an unrestricted free agent, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 1, 2021

Again, no surprises, but the pennies are dropping.

The Memphis Grizzlies have declined Justise Winslow's $13 million team option for next season, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 1, 2021

Not quite the superstar name of Kawhi or CP3, but there's another

A couple noteworthy Pelicans-related comments from @JakeLFischer in Twitter spaces just now. He said that the Pelicans will offer Lowry the most money (not a shock) and that they may make a strong offer for Spencer Dinwiddie if they lose out on Lowry and let Lonzo go elsewhere.

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) August 1, 2021

Prepared for the ultimate disappointment of us paying Dinwiddie $25m a year. Crushing my soul.

Missed this, but another name to watch for the Pels:https://t.co/coffBv6yDr

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) August 1, 2021

Norm Powell is someone I'd be alright with. I'm not in love with him but he's solid enough, for the right money he'd be cool.

Would expect Smart to be re-routed if we got him, but another case where I'd be happy to have him if not.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

A couple noteworthy Pelicans-related comments from @JakeLFischer in Twitter spaces just now. He said that the Pelicans will offer Lowry the most money (not a shock) and that they may make a strong offer for Spencer Dinwiddie if they lose out on Lowry and let Lonzo go elsewhere.

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) August 1, 2021

Prepared for the ultimate disappointment of us paying Dinwiddie $25m a year. Crushing my soul.

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Would be such a Griffin move. Would take any optimism for this season away quickly.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Would be such a Griffin move. Would take any optimism for this season away quickly.

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They would be idiots to pay Dinwiddie anything more than $16-$18 million a year unless it’s a $20 million 1 year, prove it deal.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

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Both Hart and NAW have trained with Dinwiddie a lot in off seasons. Very well liked person by them and throughout the league.

That said, I seriously doubt, and don't see why anyone would offer him 25 mil coming off that injury. His name isnt Kevin Durant. I can barely see $20 mil.

Otherwise if he's healthy I definitely like Dinwiddie on this team. He's a good stop gap.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Would be such a Griffin move. Would take any optimism for this season away quickly.

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One baby step forward (Off season trade to start the season) and 3 steps back.( Everything else) pretty consistently.

The heat picked up Dragic?s option, expected to use him as a sign and trade to get Lowry. That would really suck because it means the Pelicans miss out on Lowry but also miss out on Dragic. I don?t expect the Pelicans to ever land a high profile FA, so wasn?t counting on Lowry, but would have loved for us to get Dragic.

Per @JakeLFischer on @SpotifyGrnroom, it was reported that THJ is NO LONGER a priority for the Mavs in FA. #MFFL

— Washed Mavs Blog (@WashedMavsBlog) August 1, 2021

THJ hits the market, potentially.

He'd be an interesting name to pick up. Wing, can really shoot it, not quite as apocalyptically bad on defense as options like McDermott, not really a creator for others but he's not turnover prone either.

Wouldn't be my first priority but if he's available for a decent price (probably won't be, he'll probably get a stupid offer from somewhere) he'd be a solid fallback option if initial plans fall through.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Per @JakeLFischer on @SpotifyGrnroom, it was reported that THJ is NO LONGER a priority for the Mavs in FA. #MFFL

? Washed Mavs Blog (@WashedMavsBlog) August 1, 2021

THJ hits the market, potentially.

He'd be an interesting name to pick up. Wing, can really shoot it, not quite as apocalyptically bad on defense as options like McDermott, not really a creator for others but he's not turnover prone either.

Wouldn't be my first priority but if he's available for a decent price (probably won't be, he'll probably get a stupid offer from somewhere) he'd be a solid fallback option if initial plans fall through.

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I don?t believe that at all. THJ is just probably asking for too much money.

There are so many possible options it’s virtually mind boggling.... I am so curious as to how many jabs Griff will take when he does eventually pull the trigger (s)..... fun times....

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Originally Posted by Taker597

So... What are all of our attainable options even if we don't care for it?
1. Sign and Trade for Lowry
2. Trade for Dragic
3. Trade for Brogdon
4. Tim Hardaway Jr
5. Extend Lonzo
6. Dennis Schroder
7. Trade for Ricky Rubio
8. Sign Dinwiddie
9. Sign a bottom of the barrel guy - Peyton, Derrick Rose, Reggie Jackson



Am I missing anyone else?

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If they are dead set on not bringing back Lonzo, go get a Kendrick Dunn, or a TJ McConnell and let him fight it out with Kira.

Note: I do think Eldrid will be in a Pelican uni next year on the cheap.

Thunder, Spurs, Raptors and Pelicans vying for Zack Collins. He's talented but always hurt.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Thunder, Spurs, Raptors and Pelicans vying for Zack Collins. He's talented but always hurt.

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No love for Bobby Portis?

Norman Powell is an interesting one to me. Kinda underwhelming and not sure what that would say.

Bringing in Lowry would tell me they eventually see Kira as the future but want some vet leadership to compete now and help mold the team for the future. I get that. Dragic fits here, too. This is my favorite plan for the present and future.

I get Brogdon because that's adding a player in their prime. Not as much experience as above but ok I still get it and dig it.

Sexton seems like giving up on Kira being the starter a bit but I can still understand why fans would want that. I'm not the biggest fan of this.

Bringing back Ball and Hart makes sense since neither have reached their prime. I think they can both eventually become a starter (Ball) and 6th or 7th option (Hart) on a contender.

Norman Powell.....is....well....he's Norman Powell. And at this point he will probably always be Norman Powell. A good 8th or 9th man on a contending team to be generous. Maybe brings some experience but.....I dunno.

Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Norman Powell is an interesting one to me. Kinda underwhelming and not sure what that would say.

Bringing in Lowry would tell me they eventually see Kira as the future but want some vet leadership to compete now and help mold the team for the future. I get that. Dragic fits here, too. This is my favorite plan for the present and future.

I get Brogdon because that's adding a player in their prime. Not as much experience as above but ok I still get it and dig it.

Sexton seems like giving up on Kira being the starter a bit but I can still understand why fans would want that. I'm not the biggest fan of this.

Bringing back Ball and Hart makes sense since neither have reached their prime. I think they can both eventually become a starter (Ball) and 6th or 7th option (Hart) on a contender.

Norman Powell.....is....well....he's Norman Powell. And at this point he will probably always be Norman Powell. A good 8th or 9th man on a contending team to be generous. Maybe brings some experience but.....I dunno.

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Chances are....

If you bring in Powell... We move NAW to PG? That doesn't sound ideal at all.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Norman Powell is an interesting one to me. Kinda underwhelming and not sure what that would say.

Bringing in Lowry would tell me they eventually see Kira as the future but want some vet leadership to compete now and help mold the team for the future. I get that. Dragic fits here, too. This is my favorite plan for the present and future.

I get Brogdon because that's adding a player in their prime. Not as much experience as above but ok I still get it and dig it.

Sexton seems like giving up on Kira being the starter a bit but I can still understand why fans would want that. I'm not the biggest fan of this.

Bringing back Ball and Hart makes sense since neither have reached their prime. I think they can both eventually become a starter (Ball) and 6th or 7th option (Hart) on a contender.

Norman Powell.....is....well....he's Norman Powell. And at this point he will probably always be Norman Powell. A good 8th or 9th man on a contending team to be generous. Maybe brings some experience but.....I dunno.

Am I missing something?

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What is going on here? 8th or 9th man lol. The guy just shot 41% from 3 on 6 attempts per game and averaged 19 a night on a 48/41/87 clip. He?s also a very solid and switchable defender. Very lazy take

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Norman Powell is an interesting one to me. Kinda underwhelming and not sure what that would say.

Bringing in Lowry would tell me they eventually see Kira as the future but want some vet leadership to compete now and help mold the team for the future. I get that. Dragic fits here, too. This is my favorite plan for the present and future.

I get Brogdon because that's adding a player in their prime. Not as much experience as above but ok I still get it and dig it.

Sexton seems like giving up on Kira being the starter a bit but I can still understand why fans would want that. I'm not the biggest fan of this.

Bringing back Ball and Hart makes sense since neither have reached their prime. I think they can both eventually become a starter (Ball) and 6th or 7th option (Hart) on a contender.

Norman Powell.....is....well....he's Norman Powell. And at this point he will probably always be Norman Powell. A good 8th or 9th man on a contending team to be generous. Maybe brings some experience but.....I dunno.

Am I missing something?

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You have undervalued Powell by alot here. Like alot.

I wish we knew how willing to deal Brogdon, Indiana is. I wanna know what the pricetag would be. That would be the perfect next domino to fall. Would make missing out on Lowry a blessing, if we offer Dinwiddie $25 million, it would've been a curse.

https://www.basketballnews.com/stori...nba-free-agent

Good read up on Dinwiddie here. Jackson Frank is great

Maybe I did undervalue him. Lol. I dunno. Having watched Portland in the postseason, I remember feeling very underwhelmed by everyone but Lillard. But mistake in undervaluing is overshadowing my point......he was getting thrown around as a "instead of Lowry or Ball" so I was trying to figure out what bringing him in would say for the team moving forward. NAW at PG? Kira ready to take over?

Dinwiddie would be ok on the cheap in my book in that he seems like the type of guy that would teach Kira a thing or two. I still envision Kira as the future so that would be priority, to me.

It's amazing how much the fans and sportswriters love Brogdon but we never hear the team say his name.

"New Orleans and Dallas are two teams with salary cap space and strong interest in Lowry who are beginning to search elsewhere for starting point guard help, sources said." https://t.co/4XRg0N2bKS

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) August 2, 2021

Yep, looks like Miami is the overwhelming favourite for Lowry.

So the question is, what does New Orleans do instead? Knowing us, the answer is probably maxing Dinwiddie or something equally stupid.

I am fine with Dinwiddie on a 16 to 18 million a year contract or a 1 or 2 year $20 million a year deal. If the Pels give him 4 years, $20-$25 million, they are idiots.

Dinwiddie @ 20MM per or Lonzo @ 20MM per?

To me it's a no brainer. Lonzo will likely retain is value; I'm not confident Dinwiddie will at all. One's is coming off a lost season due to injury; the other is coming off the second consecutive season where he his splits have improved dramatically. One has the endorsement of the only person that matters (tic); the other doesn't. One was the best defensive player in his starting five last year, the other was the best defender in the OR. If 20MM is the number, which one would you give it to?

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Dinwiddie @ 20MM per or Lonzo @ 20MM per?

To me it's a no brainer. Lonzo will likely retain is value; I'm not confident Dinwiddie will at all. One's is coming off a lost season due to injury; the other is coming off the second consecutive season where he his splits have improved. One has the endorsement of the only person that matters (tic); the other doesn't. If 20MM is the number, which one would you give it to?

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If someone forced me to give $20m to either it would be Lonzo, but I'd rather pay neither of them that much money.

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Originally Posted by pelafanatic

https://www.basketballnews.com/stori...nba-free-agent

Good read up on Dinwiddie here. Jackson Frank is great

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I'd like Dinwiddie as well. (He'd fit in too perfectly with the Wiz) I've studied the draw backs of his game for sure, most notably, his 3p percentage. However I'd be down for a 2 year deal Deal worth 18Mill. Then we can still sign a SG like Norman Powell with our remaining cap space.

Anyway, offer CP3 the maximum amount of money you can legally do so.

I have no idea what they're going to do at this PG position now but what do y'all think about Danny Green on the team?

Danny Green, for reasonable money, is always a good addition to any team.