Pelicans finalizing trade for Asik

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Originally Posted by AD23forMVP

Actually let me rephrase that. Obviously they can trade him now, but what makes him different from another player who has to wait a certain amount of days to trade?

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I believe the differences is Gee was already under contract. The only time there's a hold on new acquisitions are matched RFA's.

and players you claim off waivers.

Bobcats seem to want to waive Hopson, but maybe we can scoop him up and get the Asik deal done. Hopson, Ely, and Gee for Asik

Gordon to rockets solves a lot a problems for both teams
Morey can match parsons without using cap space then open space again by trading him next year or if he opts out
Pels SF options suddenly get a whole lot better

I don't see any reason for them do do that

Maybe Philly will take him to reach the Cap floor they have to get to. They should be almost as bad as this year and I don't think they really want to contend.

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Originally Posted by jhow0036

Bobcats seem to want to waive Hopson, but maybe we can scoop him up and get the Asik deal done. Hopson, Ely, and Gee for Asik

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I believe he might be the one MM was cleverly alluding to yesterday....

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

I don't see any reason for them do do that

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It's either use that 15MM in space before sun nite or be capped out for the next several years

I think I'd rather be capped out. I'd be ecstatic if they did.

Your basically just making a move for the sake of it. Would put Hou in the lux tax and they wouldn't do it for EG I wouldn't think.

read this

http://www.red94.net/kubler-ross-mod...eptance/14491/

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But rather than overpay a marginal talent, I think they’re trying to make use of their space by talking to teams trying to dump big contracts. They can still do this post-Parsons, but then they can only take back the size of each trade exception (in addition to the players dealt), an amount close to half of the near $15 upon which they sit right now. They are scrambling to make use of that space. If you thought Eric Gordon could again be healthy, would you take a flier there? I think the risk ratio there is preferable to the upside of Parsons + the midlevel. Who can you really even get for the midlevel? Paul Pierce won’t come for that amount, I don’t think. And with as much as is made of large trade exceptions, how many examples in history can we think of when they were actually used for profit? I honestly think its better to just take a flier with the space and keep Chandler than to let it burn.

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Originally Posted by cgrand

read this

http://www.red94.net/kubler-ross-mod...eptance/14491/

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Don't really see anything in here that says they'd even consider it other then speculate as a last ditch effort. Do you really think a team will pay a guy what EG makes as a last ditch effort? Its not like he'd even be starting either. Unless they play him and Harden together. I'd love to be wrong and them do this. I just see Philly as a more realistic option based on the fact that they HAVE to use the space. Houston doesn't and probably shouldn't.

There's no reason to trade Gordon now. He's better than any free agent left that we could get. Just sign a couple vet min sfs or use the room exception on one of em. Let Gordon either opt out next season or be more valuable as an expiring. I'm glad Demps didn't pull a Morey and trade one of our top 6 players and end up with nothing but scraps.

Yeah no reason to trade EG now.

Having the cap room to get a quality SF and fill out our bench is infinitely more valuable then Eric Gordon. I just don't see why Houston would take him on their end

In my opinion, as long as we have a gap at the SF position and we're paying a bundle to 2 SG's (Gordon and Evans, both starting quality if healthy), I'd rather trade Gordon and try to pick up a starting SF and maybe a backup SG who costs less. That proposed "Gordon for Kevin Martin/Brewer" trade was deal in my opinion.

I do understand maybe Evans is better spacing-wise for the second unit. But I'd stil rather have him starting and dump Gordon. (Since I highly doubt he'd like coming off the bench.)

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

Having the cap room to get a quality SF and fill out our bench is infinitely more valuable then Eric Gordon. I just don't see why Houston would take him on their end

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they are going to do one of 2 things

1) absorb parsons into cap space and use (or not) their MLE
this makes the arguably worse this year, and capped out for the future

2) use their cap space before Sunday nite then match parsons
This gives the the chance to get better, but risks the same problem as above

however...using the space now on a short term contract allows them to match parsons over the cap and gives them flexibility for the future, plus could make them better

to me this is a no brainer
if not Gordon then it will be boozer

We are 12 months away from Eric Gordon opting out and getting paid, why would we do any trade unless it's a straight up dump. We've been through too much to not see this through.

They just gave Ariza another contract. So theres that lol

rox just signed ariza 4/32
oh well

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Originally Posted by DefensiveMind

We are 12 months away from Eric Gordon opting out and getting paid, why would we do any trade unless it's a straight up dump. We've been through too much to not see this through.

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That is far from a sure thing. Unless he lacks complete self awareness, why would he turn down 15 for the year? I get that he might (and that's a big might) be able to secure a longer deal but it wont even be close to that. Sometimes a Salary dump is just a better way to go. Do we really want to keep paying him just to "see this through"?

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

That is far from a sure thing. Unless he lacks complete self awareness, why would he turn down 15 for the year? I get that he might (and that's a big might) be able to secure a longer deal but it wont even be close to that. Sometimes a Salary dump is just a better way to go. Do we really want to keep paying him just to "see this through"?

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Taking into account the deals flying around this year, if he stays healthy, he could at least get really close to that on a new 4 year deal.

I guess, but that's a pretty big what if. He's more likely to get hurt again. I'm just kind of tired of going through the same routine with him, ya know?

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Originally Posted by The Pelican Fan

Yeah no reason to trade EG now.

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Total nonsense. The reason is no one wants him.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

I guess, but that's a pretty big what if. He's more likely to get hurt again. I'm just kind of tired of going through the same routine with him, ya know?

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oh yeah I am just as ready for him to be gone as everyone else but right now doesn't seem like the right time. If he doesn't opt out at least he will be infinitely more tradable as an expiring; maybe even for a decent SF after we resign Asik or another center next year.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Total nonsense. The reason is no one wants him.

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I actually agree with him, better to keep EG for now and see what we can do in Feb or if he opts out. I have no doubts we could trade him but what comes back might be worse.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

That is far from a sure thing. Unless he lacks complete self awareness, why would he turn down 15 for the year? I get that he might (and that's a big might) be able to secure a longer deal but it wont even be close to that. Sometimes a Salary dump is just a better way to go. Do we really want to keep paying him just to "see this through"?

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Nobody lacks self awareness more than Eric Gordon, and a 15-17 ppg scorer who shoots 40 percent from 3 will get paid, unless he misses significant time. All it takes is one GM.

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Originally Posted by RyanM

I actually agree with him, better to keep EG for now and see what we can do in Feb or if he opts out. I have no doubts we could trade him but what comes back might be worse.

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Exactly. There is no need to have a mid level type contract sitting on your books when you could have that space plus EGs contract off the books. Dell has been gutsy, creative, and a bit of gambler when it came to building this team. Everything requires balance, with EG he needs to show patience.

Given his injury history if Eric Gordon plays another relatively healthy season any agent would tell him to opt out and get a long term contract. Eric Gordon won't be on our books next season.

Can you imagine gordon actually becoming an asset? Wow...something cold just went down my back

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

That is far from a sure thing. Unless he lacks complete self awareness, why would he turn down 15 for the year? I get that he might (and that's a big might) be able to secure a longer deal but it wont even be close to that. Sometimes a Salary dump is just a better way to go. Do we really want to keep paying him just to "see this through"?

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If:
1) He stays healthy
2) Has a decent season statistically &
3) Team has success making it to the playoffs

I think if this happens it might be the better financial decision to take a possible 4yr. 36-40 million guaranteed contract given the uncertainty of his body holding up

I've waited this long, I guess I can wait a little longer. lol

I don't know why everyone is so mean about Eric Gordon, calm down the hate guys, let in the love.

He didn't give himself the contract or injure himself, people just like to be mean, hence why MM was driven away.

MM supposedly got some dirt about him, besides everything that's already come out about him, I'm sure there will be more justification of why I don't like him.

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Originally Posted by itsADstime

I don't know why everyone is so mean about Eric Gordon, calm down the hate guys, let in the love.

He didn't give himself the contract or injure himself, people just like to be mean, hence why MM was driven away.

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I do not want him playing on my favorite team anymore. I do not hate Eric Gordon personally.

There is nothing endearing about the guy, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

I do not want him playing on my favorite team anymore. I do not hate Eric Gordon personally.

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Yeah, I'd qualify it for me as a healthy dislike.

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Originally Posted by itsADstime

I don't know why everyone is so mean about Eric Gordon, calm down the hate guys, let in the love.

He didn't give himself the contract or injure himself, people just like to be mean, hence why MM was driven away.

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With all due respect, MM, IMO, is the reason everyone hates him. MM's word around here is gospel. The more he disparaged Gordon, the more it spread around this forum. This is not a shot at MM. If he wrote an article about why Gordon is good for the Pels, people would all start talking about how to better utilize Gordon.

Asik changes my whole opinion of him. And knowing that we are just 82 games away from possibly moving on makes me want to hug somone. Here's hoping he shoots 43 percent from three this year!

Seriously though, apart from the "Heart is in pheonix" line 3 years ago he hasn't said anything negative since. Yeah his body language may suck at times but it's not as if he has been a detriment to the locker room. Some people just act like children when it comes to him.

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Originally Posted by itsADstime

Seriously though, apart from the "Heart is in pheonix" line 3 years ago he hasn't said anything negative since. Yeah his body language may suck at times but it's not as if he has been a detriment to the locker room. Some people just act like children when it comes to him.

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Why is it that important that some people don't like the guy? People have differing opinions and calling us children because of said opinions is pretty lame. He has never given me a reason to embrace the guy, sorry.

Now, If I had said I wish he'd get hurt or I wish terrible things to happen then yea, childish.

I say give it one more year.


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Originally Posted by itsADstime

Seriously though, apart from the "Heart is in pheonix" line 3 years ago he hasn't said anything negative since. Yeah his body language may suck at times but it's not as if he has been a detriment to the locker room. Some people just act like children when it comes to him.

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What's more childish? Openly acknowledging your feelings and being tolerant of people who feel otherwise, or trying to get other people to change or just be silent about said feelings?

I'm done with Eric Gordon. The Heart is in Phoenix line is a footnote, I agree. But it isn't because of his body language or a detriment to the locker room. Or even his health.






It's all of the above.

That "heart is in phoenix" thing is pretty big. Begin to enumerate anything as stupid and possibly as similar, i will be waiting for your enlightening list.

And i don't really need someone else to tell me to dislike someone who makes our starting 5 worse, who is not a decent defender, who can't get a rebound, who acts like he doesn't care on the court more often than not, who has been injured most of the time anyway and who has done nothing of note to show the love for the city or the franchise that, may i remind you, is paying his lofty salary.

I want the guy OUT. MM showing with advanced data what people can get looking at him play is simply a good proof.

I don't have to be tolerant of negative feelings directed at another person. It is not healthy to be so emotionally negative. If people just talked about his play that would be fine, but the personal attacks are a little much for me.

I really want to know any endearing quality about the guy? I'm open minded and want to know

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Originally Posted by itsADstime

I don't have to be tolerant of negative feelings directed at another person. It is not healthy to be so emotionally negative.

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You act like we lose sleep over this. Outside of this massage board, I don't give it a second thought. But stay on your high horse, must be nice up there.

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Originally Posted by LouisianaPride

I really want to know any endearing quality about the guy? I'm open minded and want to know

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He's a man with a family just like any of us, he is obviously a very private guy so just because we don't know about his life doesn't make him some monster. And I never called out any particular poster, just addressing the way the discussion on him is handled.

I really dislike Gordon and I can't wait for the day he is no longer on this team. But the fact is he can help us more than any free agent still left. Dump Gordon and sign Tucker or ariza I was all for it. Dump Gordon to sign a Marvin Williams? No thanks.