Who should become the first person to be drafted to the pelicans?

Alex Len is looking really good while being surrounded with terrible teammates

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Anyone know that Bazz has Tourette's Syndrome?

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"I told him straight-up, if you're gonna play you can't be having episodes out there on the court," Holmes said. "I told him it was in him to control it on his own. He'd have to."

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Added Muhammad: "My dad definitely didn't let me feel sorry for myself or anything like that, and now I understand why. I overcame that for the most part. Those guys picking on me made me want to just destroy them. That's where it all started for me. That's where the ruthless killer in me was born."

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"Killers are just born," said Austin Rivers, who led Duke in scoring as a freshman before declaring for the NBA draft. "It's just in you. That's what I love about Shabazz. I can identify with the killer in him."

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"When the guys guarded Shabazz, they knew to put in a mouthpiece," Rice said. "It's not even anything dirty; he'll just do what he has to do to dominate. Mentality-wise, he's cut from the same mold as Kobe Bryant."

Like Bryant, Muhammad owns the on-court "jerk" label.

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http://espn.go.com/high-school/boys-...akes-win-court

Found some examples of Scottie Pippin and Kobe not appreciating not getting the ball in a clutch moment.

Not to mention that if you watch the shot Drew made, it was a very bad shot to take.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Found some examples of Scottie Pippin and Kobe not appreciating not getting the ball in a clutch moment.

Not to mention that if you watch the shot Drew made, it was a very bad shot to take.

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I never had a problem with him wanting the ball that bad to close the game. The way he handled it was not ideal, but when your best player wants the ball to close it's a good thing. If Drew misses, no one cares.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I never had a problem with him wanting the ball that bad to close the game. The way he handled it was not ideal, but when your best player wants the ball to close it's a good thing. If Drew misses, no one cares.

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If Drew had missed then Bazz's reaction wouldn't have been blown out of proportion as much. Winners want the ball in their hands at the end.

How did he do in this last tourney game when he had the ball in his hands?

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

How did he do in this last tourney game when he had the ball in his hands?

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LOL, See i don't even know why you're offended when people say you troll.

But for what it's worth. 20-4

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

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Anyone know that Bazz has Tourette's Syndrome?










http://espn.go.com/high-school/boys-...akes-win-court

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Where do I sign up?

At some point, y'all gonna have to take a step back in regards to Shabazz and say that he's been the most overhyped player this year. He's done absolutely nothing to show he's worth a top 3 selection. He's closer to being a character on the Real Housewives than he is to being an all-star NBA caliber player.

In the last year, he's had run-ins with the NCAA that dealt with his recruitment(on his side, not the schools recruiting him), he's showed up out of shape, and he's been lying about his age for years. He and his father are going to be a massive headache in the NBA. More than anything because he won't be a star and they'll want star treatment. This isn't a typical college kid with immense talent. This is a 20 year old who wants the spotlight and instead of focusing on winning games, he's focused on making sure you know he's 'a killer'. Even if the only thing he's killed is his college coach's job.

If we draft Shabazz, you can say goodbye to Anthony Davis; his head will just roll off his body once he realizes he has to deal with not only Gordon's bull****, but Shabazz's too.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

At some point, y'all gonna have to take a step back in regards to Shabazz and say that he's been the most overhyped player this year. He's done absolutely nothing to show he's worth a top 3 selection. He's closer to being a character on the Real Housewives than he is to being an all-star NBA caliber player.

In the last year, he's had run-ins with the NCAA that dealt with his recruitment(on his side, not the schools recruiting him), he's showed up out of shape, and he's been lying about his age for years. He and his father are going to be a massive headache in the NBA. More than anything because he won't be a star and they'll want star treatment. This isn't a typical college kid with immense talent. This is a 20 year old who wants the spotlight and instead of focusing on winning games, he's focused on making sure you know he's 'a killer'. Even if the only thing he's killed is his college coach's job.

If we draft Shabazz, you can say goodbye to Anthony Davis; his head will just roll off his body once he realizes he has to deal with not only Gordon's bull****, but Shabazz's too.

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Don't beat around the bush. Tell us how you really feel.

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Originally Posted by Primetime

At some point, y'all gonna have to take a step back in regards to Shabazz and say that he's been the most overhyped player this year. He's done absolutely nothing to show he's worth a top 3 selection.He's closer to being a character on the Real Housewives than he is to being an all-star NBA caliber player.

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Who has said he should be a top 3 selection? Who said he's close to being an all-star tlaent right now???

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Originally Posted by Primetime

If we draft Shabazz, you can say goodbye to Anthony Davis; his head will just roll off his body once he realizes he has to deal with not only Gordon's bull****, but Shabazz's too.

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Dramatic much? NO ONE'S SAYING THAT THIS GUY IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT KOBE BRYANT/ MELO/ ANYONE. They're saying he can be a good scorer in the league. That's all. Christ, i'm not in love with him I don't hate him, but there's just no middle ground on discussion boards for people sometimes.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

LOL, See i don't even know why you're offended when people say you troll.

But for what it's worth. 20-4

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I don't even think you (or others) know what the word troll means. But I digress.

Dude took 18 shots and made 6 (he could have gone 7 for 16 but he missed an uncontested layup with 30 seconds left). If you take Anton of shots your going to make some. He didnt even crack the top 100 among shooting pct. in the nation (and that's including guys like Glenn Robinson, Russ Henderson, and others). I think he ceiling is a less athletic JR Smith, but that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I don't even think you (or others) know what the word troll means. But I digress.

Dude took 18 shots and made 6 (he could have gone 7 for 16 but he missed an uncontested layup with 30 seconds left). If you take Anton of shots your going to make some. He didnt even crack the top 100 among shooting pct. in the nation (and that's including guys like Glenn Robinson, Russ Henderson, and others). I think he ceiling is a less athletic JR Smith, but that's just my opinion.

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A Troll is a person or post deliberately provoking other users. Your post was doing that. But you're probably right, you're the only person that knows the meaning. :eyes:

Also, did you look at his team's stats during that game? Realize he shot the best % of starters on his team right?

Wear 1-5
Drew 1-6
Powell 3-12
Anderson 2-11

Also, I agree JR Smith is a fair comparison.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

A Troll is a person or post deliberately provoking other users. Your post was doing that.

Also, did you look at his team's stats during that game? Realize he shot the best % of starters on his team right?

Wear 1-5
Drew 1-6
Powell 3-12
Anderson 2-11

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A troll was originally was a term used to define people being jerks towards race, sex, or just plain intolerance. Kids today have broadened it so that they too can feel like victims of a troll when they dont agree with the person they are debating with. If you want to feel like a victim just say "I'm a victim." Don't sully the word "troll."

If your fall back is "well his teammates stunk too." Who among his teammates is supposed to he a high lottery pick?

Dude is a lot of fluff, and a little substance. High maintenance, low producing. If he becomes a hornet I will learn to accept it, but til then, I will be opposed to him taking my ticket money.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

A troll was originally was a term used to define people being jerks towards race, sex, or just plain intolerance. Kids today have broadened it so that they too can feel like victims of a troll when they dont agree with the person they are debating with. If you want to feel like a victim just say "I'm a victim." Don't sully the word "troll."

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:hihi: and we're done here.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

Who has said he should be a top 3 selection? Who said he's close to being an all-star tlaent right now???



Dramatic much? NO ONE'S SAYING THAT THIS GUY IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT KOBE BRYANT/ MELO/ ANYONE. They're saying he can be a good scorer in the league. That's all. Christ, i'm not in love with him I don't hate him, but there's just no middle ground on discussion boards for people sometimes.

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Alot of people think he's one of the top 3 players in this draft.

And I'm being dramatic because it's more fun that way. I could say "well, i think he'll be a decent NBA player who a team won't ever build around, but he'll get solid minutes" ... but there's no fun in that.

I'm gonna go back to being dramatic now.

The guy is going to need baby-sitting on an emotional level. To the point where Eric Gordon is going to start referring to Shabazz as 'puddin'

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Originally Posted by Primetime

Alot of people think he's one of the top 3 players in this draft.

And I'm being dramatic because it's more fun that way. I could say "well, i think he'll be a decent NBA player who a team won't ever build around, but he'll get solid minutes" ... but there's no fun in that.

I'm gonna go back to being dramatic now.

The guy is going to need baby-sitting on an emotional level. To the point where Eric Gordon is going to start referring to Shabazz as 'puddin'

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I wish I could like a post lol

Is there a HR award for consistently derailing threads?

I don't see him being a top 3 talent. All he does is be a high volume scorer. Nothing else. I'm not impressed with him. Its not like he does it efficiently.

He doesn't just do it inefficiently, he does it in some fashion where people actually think he is good at scoring. While giving the impression that he is the victim in his entire college experience (bad coach, bad system, bad teammates).

Is saying he's a top 3 player even so wrong when he could actually be drafted in the top 3, depending on who is there?

I mean of the big board top 3 I've seen, as that one tweet said, one needed or needs reconstructive ACL surgery, one hasn't really shown up in the tournament at all and seems rather timid and hesitant to even demand the ball in big moments, or is a below the rim guard with a weak jumper.

How is an inefficient, volume shooter any worse? Eh.

I still can't help but consider him as an option for this team.

We're not even going to have a top 3 pick most likely. I think once everyone came to grasp with that, he started hitting people's radars.

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

Is there a HR award for consistently derailing threads?

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Jesus Christ I was wondering the same thing. Feels like we fall into the same damn arguments each week.

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Originally Posted by NOLa.

Jesus Christ I was wondering the same thing. Feels like we fall into the same damn arguments each week.

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It's the same one or two people who "accidentally" seem to do it constantly. :hihi:

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Originally Posted by Purple Haze

It's the same one or two people who "accidentally" seem to do it constantly. :hihi:

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I don't think this is aimed at me? But not sure :hihi:

hope we can get bazz or noel!!!!!!!!!
bazz would give us a scoring SF or put him at SG if we move gordon
noel would give us two 7ft athletic bigs who can block anything have crazy verticals and are as long as giraffes

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

hope we can get bazz or noel!!!!!!!!!
bazz would give us a scoring SF or put him at SG if we move gordon
noel would give us two 7ft athletic bigs who can block anything have crazy verticals and are as long as giraffes

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We're probably going to be picking 7-8. Not happening. Burke and Robinson are 2 realistic options.

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

We're probably going to be picking 7-8. Not happening. Burke and Robinson are 2 realistic options.

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we went from 3 to 6 in a week, we can go from 6 to 3 in a week, plus its a lottery, u never know, if u did there would be no point in a lottery.

I don't know, those Eastern teams are taking tanking to a whole new shameful low.

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Originally Posted by bojangles837

We're probably going to be picking 7-8. Not happening. Burke and Robinson are 2 realistic options.

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Burke or Robinson? I got time for dat.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I don't think this is aimed at me? But not sure :hihi:

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Good lord no :hihi:

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Burke or Robinson? I got time for dat.

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IN IN IN. And no one can sling "overdraft" on that. Not that it matters, but that stuff is so annoying.

nbadraft.net just posted their new mock today. Pretty interesting. I'm warming up a bit to the idea of Len, although I'm not sold on taking him over Oladipo. I am sure people on this board will go nuts over passing on Shabazz. I'm not sure how/why they have some of these players going to teams like they do (Portland would draft another PG?) but who knows. I guess they're taking a very BPA approach.

http://nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft

I am just posting the top 12 here, click the link for the complete mock:

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*Charlotte
Ben McLemore
6-5
195
SG
Kansas
Fr.

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Orlando
Nerlens Noel
6-11
225
PF/C
Kentucky
Fr.

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Cleveland
Marcus Smart
6-4
225
PG
Oklahoma State
Fr.

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Phoenix
Otto Porter
6-8
205
SF
Georgetown
So.

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*Detroit
Anthony Bennett
6-7
240
SF/PF
UNLV
Fr.

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*Sacramento
Cody Zeller
6-11
240
PF/C
Indiana
So.

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New Orleans
Alex Len
7-1
255
C
Maryland
So.

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Washington
Victor Oladipo
6-4
215
SG/SF
Indiana
Jr.

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*Oklahoma Cty
Shabazz Muhammad
6-6
225
SF
UCLA
Fr.

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Minnesota
CJ McCollum
6-3
190
PG/SG
Lehigh
Sr.

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*Philadelphia
Kelly Olynyk
7-0
240
PF/C
Gonzaga
Jr.

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*Portland
Trey Burke
6-0
190
PG
Michigan
So.

No way we take Len, and why would Cleveland draft Smart?

I just took another look at the draft no way we would let Buzz go to OKC, he would be James Harden lite

I can't imagine why Cleveland would take smart.

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I can't imagine why Cleveland would take smart.

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That's what I was thinking. Otto Porter would make much for sense for them in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by BallSoHard

I can't imagine why Cleveland would take smart.

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I guess hes BPA but yeah that seems 'Stupid.' Feel free to bust my balls for the lame joke.

I don't see bazz getting picked that late

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That's what I was thinking. Otto Porter would make much for sense for them in that scenario.

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Irving. Waiters. Porter. Thompson. Varajao... That's one hell of a core.

I would kick a baby if OKC ended up with Shabazz. lol

jk... but maybe not...

Don't care a thing for Len. Him. Noel. Zeller. The guy from Gonzaga. Just not feelin' 'em.

I'd rather take Anthony Bennett.

I would like to get Smart as a big time PG. Or trade back and get Larkin and either Tim Hardaway Jr or Big Dawg III. That would give us a really good PG and a nice scoring wing.

lol Oklahoma City getting Shabazz.

Shabazz + Lamb +Jones waiting in the wing! Ridiculous... the Bobcats would probably trade their entire team for the Thunders D-league team.

So someone PMd me asking for my top-7, and I'll just post it here:

1) Ben McLemore - Great tools, great athleticism, great shot, but he needs to be more aggressive. I think that was a product of him playing with a lot of seniors, so he deferred to them all season. He needs to be more selfish in the NBA, but he has serious talent. He's 21 though...

2) Nerlens Noel - Love his athleticism and potential do be a dominant defender/rebounder. He can finish around the rim in traffic, so he has really good PnR potential. Tore his ACL towards the mid-end of the season, so he could drop. I would love to get him at #4 overall if that's where we pick.

3) Shabazz Muhammad - A lot of people are down on him right now, but I'm not sure why. He has really good defensive potential, and he can score in every way possible. People say he is Melo-esque in that he can score in all facets of the game. People say he is a little undersized for the SF, but I call BS. The kid is 6'6, 220 with a 7-foot wingspan. He is a ruthless attacker, and he has that killer instinct, which I love. Fierce competitor, needs to be more efficient.

4) Marcus Smart - Very D-Wade-esque. Fills up the stat sheet, can't shoot the 3, good court vision. He's really strong and a tenacious defender. He'd play PG for us, but he is a combo guard and can play either like Wade. I like him, but his lack of a shot worries me. That can be worked on, though, and he has a rep for a good work ethic.

5) Tie between Porter and Oladipo.

5a) Otto Porter - He can't really create for himself too much, but he is the perfect role player. He can hit the 3, make the pass to the open player, rebound, defend, and he has a great basketball I.Q. He is sort of a poor man's Paul George if you want to look at it like that. Not as athletic as George, but Porter basically carried Georgetown all year (Georgetown had NO talent this year) and led them to the #2 seed. I'd be very happy with him.

5b) Victor Oladipo - Kid is Russell Westbrook athletic, and he is an even better defender/rebounder. He hits the 3 at over 40%, and he has a great passion for the game. Good overall basketball I.Q., and he improved each year he was in college (Junior this year). He is a SG, though, and we need a SF, and I'm not totally convinced he'd be able to play SF full time at only 6'4. He is strong and athletic, but that's still short. He'd be higher for me if I knew he could play SF.

7) Trey Burke - This guy reminds me a lot of Chris Paul, and that's easy to say because he is only 6'0, but he is a true floor general and leader. He has great court vision, and he is a real good defender. He can hit the 3, and he has a great basketball I.Q. Supposedly, he is the fiercest competitor the Michigan HC has ever seen. He gets pissed in practice when he loses a drill. I like that a lot.

8) Anthony Bennett - Offensively skilled PF, slightly undersized, but he has the strength to compensate. My main problem with him is that he really just doesn't even try defensively, and I hate that. He's going to put up big numbers in the league, but he's going to give up big numbers too. If he was a defender as well, he'd probably be in my top-5.

I'm not a big fan of Zeller and Alex Len. They have limited ceilings (especially Zeller), and they just never wowed me. Len isn't nearly aggressive enough for a 7-footer, and Zeller isn't long enough to be an NBA center IMO. Very short wingspan, and he didn't progress at all from his rookie season.

Burke or bust!

I really want
Smart
Oladipo
Porter
Burke

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So someone PMd me asking for my top-7, and I'll just post it here:

1) Ben McLemore - Great tools, great athleticism, great shot, but he needs to be more aggressive. I think that was a product of him playing with a lot of seniors, so he deferred to them all season. He needs to be more selfish in the NBA, but he has serious talent. He's 21 though...

2) Nerlens Noel - Love his athleticism and potential do be a dominant defender/rebounder. He can finish around the rim in traffic, so he has really good PnR potential. Tore his ACL towards the mid-end of the season, so he could drop. I would love to get him at #4 overall if that's where we pick.

3) Shabazz Muhammad - A lot of people are down on him right now, but I'm not sure why. He has really good defensive potential, and he can score in every way possible. People say he is Melo-esque in that he can score in all facets of the game. People say he is a little undersized for the SF, but I call BS. The kid is 6'6, 220 with a 7-foot wingspan. He is a ruthless attacker, and he has that killer instinct, which I love. Fierce competitor, needs to be more efficient.

4) Marcus Smart - Very D-Wade-esque. Fills up the stat sheet, can't shoot the 3, good court vision. He's really strong and a tenacious defender. He'd play PG for us, but he is a combo guard and can play either like Wade. I like him, but his lack of a shot worries me. That can be worked on, though, and he has a rep for a good work ethic.

5) Tie between Porter and Oladipo.

5a) Otto Porter - He can't really create for himself too much, but he is the perfect role player. He can hit the 3, make the pass to the open player, rebound, defend, and he has a great basketball I.Q. He is sort of a poor man's Paul George if you want to look at it like that. Not as athletic as George, but Porter basically carried Georgetown all year (Georgetown had NO talent this year) and led them to the #2 seed. I'd be very happy with him.

5b) Victor Oladipo - Kid is Russell Westbrook athletic, and he is an even better defender/rebounder. He hits the 3 at over 40%, and he has a great passion for the game. Good overall basketball I.Q., and he improved each year he was in college (Junior this year). He is a SG, though, and we need a SF, and I'm not totally convinced he'd be able to play SF full time at only 6'4. He is strong and athletic, but that's still short. He'd be higher for me if I knew he could play SF.

7) Trey Burke - This guy reminds me a lot of Chris Paul, and that's easy to say because he is only 6'0, but he is a true floor general and leader. He has great court vision, and he is a real good defender. He can hit the 3, and he has a great basketball I.Q. Supposedly, he is the fiercest competitor the Michigan HC has ever seen. He gets pissed in practice when he loses a drill. I like that a lot.

8) Anthony Bennett - Offensively skilled PF, slightly undersized, but he has the strength to compensate. My main problem with him is that he really just doesn't even try defensively, and I hate that. He's going to put up big numbers in the league, but he's going to give up big numbers too. If he was a defender as well, he'd probably be in my top-5.

I'm not a big fan of Zeller and Alex Len. They have limited ceilings (especially Zeller), and they just never wowed me. Len isn't nearly aggressive enough for a 7-footer, and Zeller isn't long enough to be an NBA center IMO. Very short wingspan, and he didn't progress at all from his rookie season.

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This is the same way I feel, I would to get Noel just think we would have him and AD in there prime:eek:

I wouldn't mind drafting Burke or Bennett. Bennett seems like a guy who gets it. If we do move AD to the 5 you could have Bennett play the 4 and have a very strong athletic front court. He plays bigger than he is, and is aware of who he is and doesn't play outside of himself.

Burke would give us a quick pg, with vision to hit open men (something GV just can't) before they get open. Even in the tourney games where he "hasn't shown up" he is avg. 12/7/1. Most of us would take that from our current pg group right now. In that SDSU game he shut down the #1 scorer in the country, and against VCU he came away with a couple of steals, and got to the rim when he wanted.