AD trade scenarios...

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

A 20 year old PG who was the 3rd rookie in NBA History to average at least 16.0 PPG while shooting 40.0 3FG% & 80.0 FT%. Bird and Curry are the others.
#5 pick in draft who could be a play making wing that some have as high as #3 on their board.
#26 pick in draft
A 2020 1st round pick
Unprotected Mavs pick in 2021
NBA championship big man on an expiring contract that can still rebound/defend at high level
Young vet on a descending contract that gives you length/athleticism/efficiency off the bench

Sexton had a better rookie year than SGA did for the Clippers... but people rank him as a top asset in an D trade. Why?

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It's really not realistic anyway as he is the center piece of a Cavs rebuild and they are not going to trade him for a chance at Barrett.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

It's really not realistic anyway as he is the center piece of a Cavs rebuild and they are not going to trade him for a chance at Barrett.

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I'm not sure they would either. Depends on what they think of Knox (who was the pick after Sexton last year), Robinson, and DSJ. Lots of reports are that Cleveland loves RJ and would like to find a way to trade up with Knicks. I think Sexton is a great prospect, but I don't think he's "center piece of a rebuild" level. RJ could be. Or more relevantly, they believe he could be.

https://clutchpoints.com/cavs-really-want-rj-barrett/

https://kingjamesgospel.com/2019/05/...altmans-style/

Just to be clear, who is Lil holiday? Aaron Holiday? Because he didn't shoot 40% from 3pt, he shot 40% overall. Lol. And he only scored 16ppg if you take his per 36 (which I'm not opposed to using sometimes) but he only played 12 minutes a game so we are basically taking his stats x3 to get his per 36. He also only played in 50 games for a TOTAL minutes played of 646.

This can't be the Lil holiday we are comparing to Steph and Bird right?

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

Just to be clear, who is Lil holiday? Aaron Holiday? Because he didn't shoot 40% from 3pt, he shot 40% overall. Lol. And he only scored 16ppg if you take his per 36 (which I'm not opposed to using sometimes) but he only played 12 minutes a game so we are basically taking his stats x3 to get his per 36. He also only played in 50 games for a TOTAL minutes played of 646.

This can't be the Lil holiday we are comparing to Steph and Bird right?

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Aren't they talking about Colin Sexton, from the Cavs?

Cause he did shoot 40% from three, and averaged 16ppg.

I'm not averse to discussing Sexton, I think he's a good young player with lots of potential, but I also don't think Cleveland would move him. Why would they?

You've got to think, who would trade for AD?

For me, it's either teams who feel like they're on the verge of contention and just need that X factor guy , or its teams which are desperate for relevance and believe AD will give them that, at least partially by drawing other stars.

Cleveland is in neither of those positions. They're just coming off multiple finals runs and a chip, so they don't NEED more attention immediately. They're young and rebuilding, so they don't think AD will tip them over the edge. They got a great young rookie last year, they have the #5 pick this draft, and I think they own all their own picks going forward. They don't have much big money on the books long term anymore (Thompson and JR both are expirings next year, Cleveland only has $42m guaranteed on their books after next season) and are in a great position to just build naturally in the draft. Why would they care about AD?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Aren't they talking about Colin Sexton, from the Cavs?

Cause he did shoot 40% from three, and averaged 16ppg.

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Ding.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I'm not averse to discussing Sexton, I think he's a good young player with lots of potential, but I also don't think Cleveland would move him. Why would they?

You've got to think, who would trade for AD?

For me, it's either teams who feel like they're on the verge of contention and just need that X factor guy , or its teams which are desperate for relevance and believe AD will give them that, at least partially by drawing other stars.

Cleveland is in neither of those positions. They're just coming off multiple finals runs and a chip, so they don't NEED more attention immediately. They're young and rebuilding, so they don't think AD will tip them over the edge. They got a great young rookie last year, they have the #5 pick this draft, and I think they own all their own picks going forward. They don't have much big money on the books long term anymore (Thompson and JR both are expirings next year, Cleveland only has $42m guaranteed on their books after next season) and are in a great position to just build naturally in the draft. Why would they care about AD?

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NO Ding.

What I proposed was a 3 team deal with Knicks. Cavs want RJ.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

NO Ding.

What I proposed was a 3 team deal with Knicks. Cavs want RJ.

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But DO they? That's my whole point. WHY would they be interested in a move that sees them shifting so much around when they're in a great position?

They only do that if they think RJ is going to be better than Sexton, and why would they think that? Like you just said, Sexton's rookie year was really good and hit very high benchmarks. While it's true that Sexton was a pretty poor passer, his shooting seems to be legit and that's an incredibly important skill for a guard in today's NBA. By comparison, Barrett is a bit better as a passer (though not much better, Barrett's passing is functional but not very creative and his vision is mediocre at best) but he can't shoot anyway near as well.

What would they see in Barrett that makes him a superior option to build around than Sexton by such a degree?

I also think your point about people only liking Robinson so much cause he's from Louisiana is a pretty bad one cause I didn't even realise that he was local until well after I started liking his play and advocating for him.

Julius Randle just tweeted out the eyes emoji thing. I'd embed it here but when I tried to click on it, it appears the tweet has been deleted, so this is the best I can do.

https://t.co/zlBao5Ntni pic.twitter.com/6bdzbmQ6gj

— The Bird Writes (@thebirdwrites) June 8, 2019

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Julius Randle just tweeted out the eyes emoji thing. I'd embed it here but when I tried to click on it, it appears the tweet has been deleted, so this is the best I can do.

https://t.co/zlBao5Ntni pic.twitter.com/6bdzbmQ6gj

— The Bird Writes (@thebirdwrites) June 8, 2019

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Probably much to do about nothing. Looks like his wife is having a good time.

https://www.instagram.com/kendrarand...0HFFE8y/?hl=en

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Probably much to do about nothing. Looks like his wife is having a good time.

https://www.instagram.com/kendrarand...0HFFE8y/?hl=en

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It probably is nothing, like when Blake Griffin tweeted it last month just to see how riled up people might get.

But it's worth just putting out there, in case.

Can’t trade Randle if he is a F.A. He is free to negotiate with who he wants.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I also think your point about people only liking Robinson so much cause he's from Louisiana is a pretty bad one cause I didn't even realise that he was local until well after I started liking his play and advocating for him.

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Checking up on Cavs sites and blogs. It appears they do covet RJ. Knicks want AD, but Pels supposedly don’t like the Knicks assets beyond the 3rd pick. It was just a random “Trade of the Day”. Not saying at all it will happen, just an idea.

And the point about Robinson is a bad one just because it doesn’t apply to you?? Lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Aren't they talking about Colin Sexton, from the Cavs?

Cause he did shoot 40% from three, and averaged 16ppg.

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I dunno. That's why I'm asking. I haven't been able to keep up with things lately since I've been super busy with my company. When I read Lil Holiday and see the Pacers are involved in the trade I assume Aaron Holiday the little brother of Jrue.

It's been a long week...

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Can’t trade Randle if he is a F.A. He is free to negotiate with who he wants.

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He has a player option, so as long as he's even remotely connected to the team, it's natural to be curious about what's going on with him.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

Checking up on Cavs sites and blogs. It appears they do covet RJ. Knicks want AD, but Pels supposedly don’t like the Knicks assets beyond the 3rd pick. It was just a random “Trade of the Day”. Not saying at all it will happen, just an idea.

And the point about Robinson is a bad one just because it doesn’t apply to you?? Lol

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I think it's a pretty bad point cause I have enough faith in most of the people on this board to think that their reasons for liking Robinson are the good ones (his play) and not where he's from, especially since his local connections are actually (from what I've heard) negatives rather than positives.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I think it's a pretty bad point cause I have enough faith in most of the people on this board to think that their reasons for liking Robinson are the good ones (his play) and not where he's from, especially since his local connections are actually (from what I've heard) negatives rather than positives.

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I'd bet my houses and my dog that people on this board aren't aware of their biases. This is the same place that has folks wanting to draft Reid, wanted to trade for Greg Monroe, and fell in love with Marcus Thornton.

And his local connections being negative are exactly why I'd hope (for his sake) that he has a chance to develop and mature as a pro away from home.

Guys. Culver is such a good fit long term I feel tempted to do a 3 team trade with the LAKERS if we can get him. I am convinced he will be a great fit with Zion. I’m not worried about his shooter, he can improve 3 point shooting with the right coaching. I want defensive versatility. What about this....

PELS get Kuzma, Ingram, 4th pick, 6th pick, Ball to PHX for the pick.

Draft Culver, Zion, and Hunter or Coby White. OR find a way to move these assets. Culver is going to be really good and I want as much youth as possible. We can sign some free agents that fit after drafting YOUNG talent.


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I feel an incredible, overwhelming sense of déjÃ** vu.

Please please please trade happen soon.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

6th pick, Ball to PHX for the pick.

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I'm not so sure Phoenix would give up the 6th for Ball, nor would Chicago the 7th for him. A lot of people are throwing it out there, but I'm not so sure...

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Originally Posted by donato

I'm not so sure Phoenix would give up the 6th for Ball, nor would Chicago the 7th for him. A lot of people are throwing it out there, but I'm not so sure...

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yea thats what i was thinking...trading ball for a 6th or 7th seems a little stretch. Id say you would have to give up some other asset but not really sure how high Phoenix is on ball.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

I dunno. That's why I'm asking. I haven't been able to keep up with things lately since I've been super busy with my company. When I read Lil Holiday and see the Pacers are involved in the trade I assume Aaron Holiday the little brother of Jrue.

It's been a long week...

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I was talking about Aaron only to get all the holidays playing for us. I didn’t lookup stats or anything plus it was just a throw in for Miles Turner. The money from Hayward and Williams should work because they’ll have cap space plus turner has an 18 million dollar contract that starts next year so it won’t be that far off compared to his rookie contract. We just need to pray they love Hayward in this scenario.

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Originally Posted by tdcreator

I was talking about Aaron only to get all the holidays playing for us. I didn’t lookup stats or anything plus it was just a throw in for Miles Turner. The money from Hayward and Williams should work because they’ll have cap space plus turner has an 18 million dollar contract that starts next year so it won’t be that far off compared to his rookie contract. We just need to pray they love Hayward in this scenario.

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Oh ok. Looks like there were two sets of people discussing two different trades at the same time which is where my confusion was.

As I said, it's been a long week. Lol.

so i did some snooping on phoenix sun fan forums....yes they want a pg pretty bad. They are even talking about Jrue as a target but I dont think that will fly. Besides, PG is not Jrue's best position.

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Originally Posted by NMThreeMVP

I'd bet my houses and my dog that people on this board aren't aware of their biases. This is the same place that has folks wanting to draft Reid, wanted to trade for Greg Monroe, and fell in love with Marcus Thornton.

And his local connections being negative are exactly why I'd hope (for his sake) that he has a chance to develop and mature as a pro away from home.

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While I slightly agree with you....it's more that people get an opinion and then go all into it without being able to see other options.

From past thing's he's said, I don't think Dae has any local ties. He's a brit. He just loves Robinson. I do, too. But I think Dae was the first person to reslly promote him hard here. Would be a great pairing next to Zion. The big issue would be shooting. We would have to change up to a shooting PG and get a SF who hits 3s.

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Originally Posted by pelicanchamp

Hilarious that CLIPPERS took SGA off the table. So annoying.

I just wanted to say that again


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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

When and what is the source?

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Seconded.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

While I slightly agree with you....it's more that people get an opinion and then go all into it without being able to see other options.

From past thing's he's said, I don't think Dae has any local ties. He's a brit. He just loves Robinson. I do, too. But I think Dae was the first person to reslly promote him hard here. Would be a great pairing next to Zion. The big issue would be shooting. We would have to change up to a shooting PG and get a SF who hits 3s.

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Yep, you're right. Zero ties to Louisiana in general. Never been there, don't have family there, don't think I've ever met anyone personally from there either. I speak French, but it's Parisian French.

I do like the literature though.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Seconded.

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It was mentioned as second hand information supposedly coming from someone within the Clippers organization. Maybe someone else can provide some more details.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yep, you're right. Zero ties to Louisiana in general. Never been there, don't have family there, don't think I've ever met anyone personally from there either. I speak French, but it's Parisian French.

I do like the literature though.

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From someone born and raised in New Orleans, I think a person who posts 9377 times on a Louisiana teams message board since Aug 2017 should probably plan a trip down here.

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Originally Posted by redrum

From someone born and raised in New Orleans, I think a person who posts 9377 times on a Louisiana teams message board since Aug 2017 should probably plan a trip down here.

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I'll definitely get around to it at some point. Gotta make it to a couple of Pelicans games, right?

Honestly, I became a fan of the Pelicans essentially by chance. There's some irony in the fact that I became a Pelicans fan because of Anthony Davis, but the most exciting part of my time as a fan is him leaving, I think.

Reddit has finally come to their senses that Lonzo Ball is really trash. Thank you... Potential never out weighs that the dude is pretty awful at a lot of stuff.

If we have a shot at Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, & DeAndre Hunter, I think we will regret not making that move IMO. Ingram is a 20 ppg scorer. Ball will be a top 10 point guard. Kuzma will and already is a top 6th man in the league. DeAndre Hunter will be a Kawhi-esque two way player IMO. He will be a top defender as a rookie and sky is the limit if he puts it together on offense. Then if we could add Josh Hart and Moritz Wagner to be some decent role players at the 2 & 5 then that would just be icing on the cake.


PF: Zion, Kuzma
SF: Ingram, Hunter
SG: Jrue
PG: Ball

That 6 man core will be pretty damn talented. I could only imagine the defense of a Jrue, Ball, and Hunter team out there. They could legit be the best 1-2-3 defensive combo in the league in a year. Tatum may have more upside as an individual player, but an Ingram & Hunter combo will be better by far at the 3 IMO. If we don’t want to pay Ingram, Hunter will be damn good as our starting 3. We could possibly move Ingram at the deadline for a young player or 1st rounder. If we could find a 3rd team with a good young center I wouldn’t mind Ingram going elsewhere due to Hunter’s potential in my eyes. I like Jaylen Brown, but we already have our starter at the 2 and he’s only got a year left on his deal. If we had him for another year I would be more intrigued. I like Marcus Smart, but think Lonzo Ball will be the better player and less expensive for now. If Jaxson Hayes falls to 14 and we could get our future starting center than I would be more inclined with a Celtics deal, but doubt he falls that far. Not sure about Bruno Fernando, Mfiando Kanbegele, or Bol Bol as a possible starting center at 14. I would think we would target a center at that spot unless we got one of those picks in the 20s and took Naz Reid. I love his skills, but I’m also a tad biased as a Tiger fan. I sure hope we get more than just pick 14 if we make that trade. I would want all 3 1sts lol.

The only reason I don’t like the Lakers trade is cause he’s staying out west and joining LeBron. I blame LeBron & Rich Paul for screwing with AD’s head to begin with. Had he not made the trade demand just yet, I think he would be intrigued playing with Zion. Not too many players in the league have Zion’s potential and having Jrue as the 3rd guy in a big 3 would be the best team we may have ever put on the court IMO.

If we're being real. Like brutally honest. And taking our #PelsLife history into account. We need to just trade for five SFs. Then maybe we will finally have one pan out.

Like.....when WAS the last time we had a bonafide starting quality SF?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

If we're being real. Like brutally honest. And taking our #PelsLife history into account. We need to just trade for five SFs. Then maybe we will finally have one pan out.

Like.....when WAS the last time we had a bonafide starting quality SF?

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Mashburn? Maybe Peja before he fell off of a cliff or did he play the 4 at that point?

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

If we're being real. Like brutally honest. And taking our #PelsLife history into account. We need to just trade for five SFs. Then maybe we will finally have one pan out.

Like.....when WAS the last time we had a bonafide starting quality SF?

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Peja when he was healthy. Before Peja we had Mashburn. It’s been a very long time since we had a star at that position.


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Good call. I was thinking Mashburn because I had Peja's 6'10" lankiness pegged at PF. I wonder if Niko bled into that memory, somehow.

Man.

Peja with Jrue and Zion would have been nice. Too bad there isn't anything like him being offered up to us in any of these trade ideas. Closest guy to that pure shooter is Lonzo Ball (joke).

I think that might be influencing me wanting that Boston deal the most. Not that they are 3pt snipers. Just because it would be so sweet to have the wing solidified.

Maybe that would be De'Andre Hunter.....

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Good call. I was thinking Mashburn because I had Peja's 6'10" lankiness pegged at PF. I wonder if Niko bled into that memory, somehow.

Man.

Peja with Jrue and Zion would have been nice. Too bad there isn't anything like him being offered up to us in any of these trade ideas. Closest guy to that pure shooter is Lonzo Ball (joke).

I think that might be influencing me wanting that Boston deal the most. Not that they are 3pt snipers. Just because it would be so sweet to have the wing solidified.

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Tatum is an absolute 3 point sniping stud

60 pages! I wonder what David Griffin thinks of this thread?

Interesting interview with Griffin when he was on NBATV-

David Griffin is not a fan of the baggage that comes with Lonzo Ball. pic.twitter.com/n0ObZe9QSy

— pickuphoop (@pickuphoop) May 15, 2019

That was before the BI blood clot and before we got Zion too. Lonzo fit is worse now with this team.

OK, I have one I think I like.

Three team trade with the Knicks and Wizards. AD goes to the Knicks, Beal to the Pelicans and most of the Knicks' assets go to the Wizards. I don't know if this would be enough going to the Wizards, but most of the projected deals I have seen for Beal have been less than expected.

Knicks get AD and two second rounds from the Pelicans (2019 and 2020). The picks might need to go to the Wizards though.

Wizards get Knox, Ntilinka, Thomas and a 2023 1st from the Knicks and Hill from the Pelicans. (I tried to give them Moore too, but it didn't work).

Pelicans get Beal from the Wizards and DSJ, Robinson, 2019 #3 overall and both 2021 firsts from the Knicks.

Again, I don't know if the Wizards would go for something like this and some of the picks might have to be moved around, but I think I like this one. Certainly the Knicks and Pelicans should be happy with it, since the Knicks get AD and the Pelicans get Beal plus probably Barrett and two picks in the 2021 draft. The Pelicans could then re-sign Payton and would still have some money available for some targeted free agents.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Tatum is an absolute 3 point sniping stud

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Ha! Good call. Reasons not to post as I'm falling asleep.

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Originally Posted by Mythrol

That was before the BI blood clot and before we got Zion too. Lonzo fit is worse now with this team.

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That's not necessarily true.

Just like Robinson....there's enough room on this starting lineup for one more non-shooter. Ball fits with Jrue and Zion but you better have a wing and big man that can snipe playing with them. Robinson would fit lovely with Jrue and Zion but, again, the wing and PG need to be able to space the floor. Ball's playmaking ability and D would be a nightmare next to Jrue and Zion. It would be so fast paced. Wow. But the problem is....where do the snipers come from? Certainly not the other pieces in the Lakers trade.

But the team is looking to get a core to build around from this trade....not find the missing pieces to a contending team. If they think Ball is the third head of the monster they are building, they would pull the trigger and find shooters as Zion progresses. Not saying that is their thinking, just saying it could fit.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Ingram is a 20 ppg scorer.

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I'm not gonna reply to this whole post cause I've already talked about Ingram and Ball and Kuzma enough and I think we're all well aware that they're not my favourite guys.

But can we just kill this idea that Ingram is a 20ppg scorer? He's never done that. Obviously it could happen, he's still young, but as of today, basically 200 games into his career, 3 full seasons, he has yet to average 20ppg for more than about a month at a time. His career high in scoring was this year, and it was a touch over 18ppg. That's not 20ppg.

I keep hearing people on twitter and instagram, and now here, say that Ingram is a 20ppg scorer. He's not, never has been so far in his career.

Edit: just looked it up. He has averaged at least 20ppg in

- February of this year (a span of 9 games)
- That's it. There is only one calendar month in his entire 3 year career where he's averaged at least 20ppg for the entire month. It was February of this year, for a span of 9 games. That's all.

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Interesting interview with Griffin when he was on NBATV-

David Griffin is not a fan of the baggage that comes with Lonzo Ball. pic.twitter.com/n0ObZe9QSy

— pickuphoop (@pickuphoop) May 15, 2019

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Seriously!?!? How did we land this guy? I can listen to him speak for at least 7 or 8 hours straight.

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Originally Posted by Zombiewoof

OK, I have one I think I like.

Three team trade with the Knicks and Wizards. AD goes to the Knicks, Beal to the Pelicans and most of the Knicks' assets go to the Wizards. I don't know if this would be enough going to the Wizards, but most of the projected deals I have seen for Beal have been less than expected.

Knicks get AD and two second rounds from the Pelicans (2019 and 2020). The picks might need to go to the Wizards though.

Wizards get Knox, Ntilinka, Thomas and a 2023 1st from the Knicks and Hill from the Pelicans. (I tried to give them Moore too, but it didn't work).

Pelicans get Beal from the Wizards and DSJ, Robinson, 2019 #3 overall and both 2021 firsts from the Knicks.

Again, I don't know if the Wizards would go for something like this and some of the picks might have to be moved around, but I think I like this one. Certainly the Knicks and Pelicans should be happy with it, since the Knicks get AD and the Pelicans get Beal plus probably Barrett and two picks in the 2021 draft. The Pelicans could then re-sign Payton and would still have some money available for some targeted free agents.

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I like this but think we are saddled with SH until next year's trade deadline. I also replaced Beal with John Wall. I can dream of a Wall/Jrue tandem. Also, maybe if we do this trade we draft Culver at #3? We do have Payton and Frank Jackson - why draft another guard? But what do I know?

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I like this but think we are saddled with SH until next year's trade deadline. I also replaced Beal with John Wall. I can dream of a Wall/Jrue tandem. Also, maybe if we do this trade we draft Culver at #3? We do have Payton and Frank Jackson - why draft another guard? But what do I know?

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John Wall's entire game is based around his speed and athleticism, and his ankle just exploded. Put that with the size of his salary at basically $40m per until 2023, and I'm not interested in him at all.

I think Wall’s contract goes up to $47 million by 2023, so I would think that the Wizards are just going to have to live with that one.

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Originally Posted by Zombiewoof

I think Wall’s contract goes up to $47 million by 2023, so I would think that the Wizards are just going to have to live with that one.

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It does, but it's a little lower than $40 this year and next so I just put $40 as a rough middle ground.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Ha! Good call. Reasons not to post as I'm falling asleep.



That's not necessarily true.

Just like Robinson....there's enough room on this starting lineup for one more non-shooter. Ball fits with Jrue and Zion but you better have a wing and big man that can snipe playing with them. Robinson would fit lovely with Jrue and Zion but, again, the wing and PG need to be able to space the floor. Ball's playmaking ability and D would be a nightmare next to Jrue and Zion. It would be so fast paced. Wow. But the problem is....where do the snipers come from? Certainly not the other pieces in the Lakers trade.

But the team is looking to get a core to build around from this trade....not find the missing pieces to a contending team. If they think Ball is the third head of the monster they are building, they would pull the trigger and find shooters as Zion progresses. Not saying that is their thinking, just saying it could fit.

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I agree in a starting lineup of 5 there is room at most for two non shooters. Zion will be one. You have to assume whatever center he gets paired with will be the other. We simply cannot run a lineup with Zion, Ball, and any regular center. It's far easier to get an above average shooting guard than a center which is why I think for the good things Ball does, he's about 10 years too late for the current NBA.