Game Thread: Lakers @ Hornets

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03-06-2013, 10:20 PM
FlyGirl

^^ I've already said here before that I doubt any other coach in this league would play Davis as sporadically as Monty plays him.

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Originally Posted by Daneman

Monty said Davis didn't play because he wouldn't match him up against Dwight.

But Davis was never matched up against him when he actually did play. Put him in at the 4 and let him rotate on defense- just like he was doing the first three quarters. Why change your game plan that was actually working????

I remember one time Davis looked like he tried to take a charge on Dwight and Dwight knocked him, he fell, there was no call, Dwight made the basket and that's when I guess Monty felt the kid didn't need to play.
03-06-2013, 10:21 PM
Miss_318

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Originally Posted by Silverfoxx

Great post Hunny. This may be true, however i think Monty should not lose his job just yet. This lost sucks!! But lets not forget what makes Monty a respected coach.

You guys act like they are great coaches left hanging around that can make us a better team. They aren't. What..... Avery Johnson?? Foh

What is it exactly tho? That he gets them to play hard? Defense?

Can't say defense anymore cuz thats regressed in the last 2 yrs. Ok so he gets them to play hard every game....but at some point you have to show improvement on your actual coaching ability when it comes to X & O's.

And lets not act like this is just 1 or 2 games....this losing leads in the 2nd half and lack of awareness has been a problem for him as a coach since he's been here. Its just more evident now because now the team is stable and has a future....before it was acceptable for him to just "get them to play their hearts out" because we didn't know if the team would even be here. Now that you have stability and a core group of guys you need to see improvement in all facets....getting them to play hard should not be your calling card any more. Getting your team to execute and putting them in the right position to win, especially at the end of games should be the focus. He has yet to do that on a consistant basis to say that this team has actually improved.
03-06-2013, 10:21 PM
TeamReimold

I never said the stats were stupid learn to read. I said that the idea that the numbers he puts up outside of crunch time are somehow meaningless is stupid.
03-06-2013, 10:21 PM
Deuce06

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Originally Posted by Alg_Hornet

I think we won 48 games that year .. None of those wins had anything to do with Monty . Paul & West carried that team

West missed the last 12 games and we won our first round series and had a really good shot at beating the Lakers that year. But hey, you are clearly going to discredit anything Monty has done so I have nothing more to say regarding it. Especially after you threw Ariza, Okafor, and Jack out there as if they are perennial All-Stars. Thanks for the entertainment.
03-06-2013, 10:21 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

Anthony Davis is that guy.

He's already an icon. Whether you believe that or not, here's an example:

I have a friend who does not follow sports AT ALL. And the other day, knowing I'm a huge fan, he tells me "Hey I didn't know unibrow guy played for the Hornets! That's crazy man. That guy is good."

AD is a pretty big deal.

Dude is a beast ALREADY!!! Wait til he has an off season to develop and put on weight. This guy is a double double machine and a defensive machine. Love him. He is our star!!!!
03-06-2013, 10:21 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by Inner_GI

"In the clutch" stat by NBA.com

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pla...splitValue=all

Inn crunch time Vasquez's plays drops off a cliff.

Turnovers go down, def. and usage rating get better as well.

I guess stats only depend on when you want to use them in your battle.
03-06-2013, 10:22 PM
Inner_GI

Fast forward 20 minutes and you witness what cost Monty his job.

Putting Davis in with 25 seconds to go.
03-06-2013, 10:22 PM
Deuce06

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Originally Posted by rt0307

this loss felt like the Saints blowing a 4 TD lead to the Falcons in the Dome... I would stay alone in my bedroom in the dark for a solid week... this loss was very bad for my (and from what I'm reading... a lot of people here) psyche.

HAHAHA That anology is crazy dude....It'll get better man
03-06-2013, 10:22 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I never said the stats were stupid learn to read. I said that the idea that the numbers he puts up outside of crunch time are somehow meaningless is stupid.

No what it means is that REGARDLESS of the points and assists he has in the game when the game is on the line. He Fs up more times than not when it matters most. Get it? Did u create an account to just come in here to sing praises of concrete shoes??
03-06-2013, 10:23 PM
Alg_Hornet

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Originally Posted by Pelicans78

You have no clue what you're talking about. West played most of the season, Okafor and Ariza were elite team defenders, CP3 is a top 5 player in this league and the western conference was weak that season. They won 46 games which was barely above most people's projection of 45. He probably cost them a few more wins by not making Thornton the full time 6th man and only playing Aaron Gray half the season even though he's much better than Mbenga. Come with some facts next time so you don't look so clueless.

Basically ..Keeping Thornton & playing Gray more would have probably added 5 more wins that season
03-06-2013, 10:24 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by Miss_318

What is it exactly tho? That he gets them to play hard? Defense?

Can't say defense anymore cuz thats regressed in the last 2 yrs. Ok so he gets them to play hard every game....but at some point you have to show improvement on your actual coaching ability when it comes to X & O's.

And lets not act like this is just 1 or 2 games....this losing leads in the 2nd half and lack of awareness has been a problem for him as a coach since he's been here. Its just more evident now because now the team is stable and has a future....before it was acceptable for him to just "get them to play their hearts out" because we didn't know if the team would even be here. Now that you have stability and a core group of guys you need to see improvement in all facets....getting them to play hard should not be your calling card any more. Getting your team to execute and putting them in the right position to win, especially at the end of games should be the focus. He has yet to do that on a consistant basis to say that this team has actually improved.

Nicely put
03-06-2013, 10:25 PM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Turnovers go down, def. and usage rating get better as well.

I guess stats only depend on when you want to use them in your battle.

Jesus. His defensive rating jumpers to 120. How can you even begin to defend that?

That's the definition of a defensive liability.
03-06-2013, 10:25 PM
RubberBandCat

Glad I didn't get to watch that collapse.
03-06-2013, 10:25 PM
Pelicans78

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Originally Posted by Deuce06

West missed the last 12 games and we won our first round series and had a really good shot at beating the Lakers that year. But hey, you are clearly going to discredit anything Monty has done so I have nothing more to say regarding it. Especially after you threw Ariza, Okafor, and Jack out there as if they are perennial All-Stars. Thanks for the entertainment.

We didn't win our first round series. We were only the 7th seed and lost to the Lakers in the first round.
03-06-2013, 10:25 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

Turnovers go down, def. and usage rating get better as well.

I guess stats only depend on when you want to use them in your battle.

Can't turn it over when you don't pass. Usage rate goes up, when you don't pass.

What goes down:

FG% = 28%
3p% = 22%
FT% = 64%
AST = Decline (because he doesn't pass)
AST% = Decline 6% (because he doesn't pass)
TS% = 34.5%

Those stats are more important than usage rating and TO because he can't turn it over when he plays hero ball. I thought that was obvious.
03-06-2013, 10:25 PM
iNolaNightmare

Game Thread: Lakers @ Hornets

One of the main reasons I was upset is cause I'll probably get bullied at school about this tomorrow. :hihi:

Not funny. . . :crytear:
03-06-2013, 10:26 PM
Eman5805

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Originally Posted by iNolaNightmare

One of the main reasons I was upset is cause I'll probably get bullied at school about this tomorrow. :hihi:

Not funny. . . :crytear:

It'll get better, player.
03-06-2013, 10:27 PM
TeamReimold

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Originally Posted by kclaboy504

No what it means is that REGARDLESS of the points and assists he has in the game when the game is on the line. He Fs up more times than not when it matters most. Get it? Did u create an account to just come in here to sing praises of concrete shoes??

Would it be better if he ****s up earlier in the game and then plays better late because I fail to see the point. 2 points is 2 points no matter when you score them
03-06-2013, 10:27 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

I never said the stats were stupid learn to read. I said that the idea that the numbers he puts up outside of crunch time are somehow meaningless is stupid.

The vasquez trolls are just getting out of hand.
03-06-2013, 10:27 PM
UNO Gracias

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

Jesus. His defensive rating jumpers to 120. How can you even begin to defend that?

That's the definition of a defensive liability.

I am looking at the data presented. Red means bad, green means good. Those 3 stats get better for him in the crunch. No need to fight the truth.
03-06-2013, 10:28 PM
Eman5805

Lakers have been called old and slow all season long by pundits. We got...9 fast break points in a game where we crushed them on the boards. Gotta do better than that. We need quicker, better ball handlers handling the rock more.
03-06-2013, 10:28 PM
TeamReimold

Its just funny how people are now reaching for an objective stat like clutchness to somehow prove GV isnt good
03-06-2013, 10:28 PM
UNO Gracias

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inner_GI

Can't turn it over when you don't pass. Usage rate goes up, when you don't pass.

What goes down:

FG% = 28%
3p% = 22%
FT% = 64%
AST = Decline (because he doesn't pass)
AST% = Decline 6% (because he doesn't pass)
TS% = 34.5%

Those stats are more important than usage rating and TO because he can't turn it over when he plays hero ball. I thought that was obvious.

So sometimes his def. isn't a liability, but we will never hear you say that, but what he excells at (outside of the crunch) is what you will get down on him for?

Ok, cool story.
03-06-2013, 10:29 PM
Inner_GI

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Would it be better if he ****s up earlier in the game and then plays better late because I fail to see the point. 2 points is 2 points no matter when you score them

Well lets see if he ****s up in the first at least we have 3 quarters to make up for. He ****s up on the last possession of the game, how do you recover... that's as simple as it gets, but I doubt you understand.
03-06-2013, 10:29 PM
kclaboy504

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Originally Posted by TeamReimold

Would it be better if he ****s up earlier in the game and then plays better late because I fail to see the point. 2 points is 2 points no matter when you score them

TROLL STATUS^^^^^^^ PLEASE NOBODY ENTERTAIN THE TROLL ANY LONGER IM DONE

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