April 4th - New Orleans Pelicans vs Sacramento Kings - 40-38

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Willie, come on Bruh, we've seen enough of CJ. Put in DD...Kira...Seabron....anybody!!! Just sit CJ!!!

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I’d really be curious to see if he would even think of bringing CJ out.

This team has needs. At this point I don?t know if missingbplayoffs isn?t better for them and get in the lottery.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Bro you literally can’t feel anything from reading a message board. Nothing you say affects me emotionally. You are a Fanny pack wearer.

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"Bro" you're a pathetic, overreactive whiner whose opinion nobody respects.

Geaux Pels! Until we have a bad game - at which point, burn it all down the ground. Then pretend you were never the worst fan ever... the minute we start winning again.

Take the starters out. You have a game tomorrow night.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

"Bro" you're a pathetic, overreactive ************bag fan whose opinion nobody respects.

Geaux Pels! Until we have a bad game - at which point, burn it all down the ground. Then pretend you were never the worst fan ever the minute we start winning.

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I’m sure everyone is lined up to hear your thoughts. This is a message board, Suzie. I read and respect everyone’s comments. Even yours. I’m just a passionate fan. Very passionate. I’m sure you are too. You just got a little mush to you.

Sad loss, team should beat themselves up over this for a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Jaxpel

This team has needs. At this point I don?t know if missingbplayoffs isn?t better for them and get in the lottery.

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They need ALL their main guys on the floor, or go find another main guy that can be available.

No team is going to keep beating good teams missing key pieces like this.

That's really all it is.


Hence why I took that Kings moneyline tonight $$$ :D:D

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Sad loss, team should beat themselves up over this for a little bit.

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What’s even worse is how BI started. You can tell he wanted it, but he didn’t have the support tonight.

our bench been out of action as of late...nance hurt....not getting enough offense from the other 3 bench players.......trey going to the bench when zion come back just may spark the second unit back up...

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

our bench been out of action as of late...nance hurt....not getting enough offense from the other 3 bench players.......trey going to the bench when zion come back just may spark the second unit back up...

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Honestly, Nance is non existent. He won’t shoot the midrange anymore either. That shoulder injury derailed him big time.

After this, I bet # 1's re-re-re-re-re-evaluation tomorrow goes very well.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Take the starters out. You have a game tomorrow night.

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Yep. Flush it and move on. Hopefully with some help from your franchise player.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

What’s even worse is how BI started. You can tell he wanted it, but he didn’t have the support tonight.

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Once he cooled off (partly natural cooling, partly defence keying in) there was just nothing left. Then he tied his career high in turnovers, which is out of character for him recently, he's been very good at not giving it away lately but hey, it's easy to turn it over when nobody else is helping you.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I?ll chip in for some mouthwash for you cause your breathe still smells like NOHs shmegma.

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WOW what an educated and creative comeback. Obviously, you went to Harvard on an academic scholarship LOL

Get Zion back. Even if all he can give you is 20 minutes off the bench, he'll be worth more than Nance right now just in terms of impact.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

Honestly, Nance is non existent. He won’t shoot the midrange anymore either. That shoulder injury derailed him big time.

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He's upgradeable. Never was that high on him. Should be a trade piece this summer.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Once he cooled off (partly natural cooling, partly defence keying in) there was just nothing left. Then he tied his career high in turnovers, which is out of character for him recently, he's been very good at not giving it away lately but hey, it's easy to turn it over when nobody else is helping you.

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That’s the way I see it. He expected them to move faster. He would round the corner and nobody is moving, so he would be trapped. I’m not sure why they were so sluggish, but hopefully it’s because they plan to go all out tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by djrnno

WOW what an educated and creative comeback. Obviously, you went to Harvard on an academic scholarship LOL

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Unfortunately, I joined the military first and then got my doctorate. Hey, I didn’t want student loans.

If he's here, I hope Kira get a legitimate chance to compete next year.

This is the best offensive performance from Dyson all year - but he still only had 4 attempts. Maddening.

I'm starting a club for next year:

"The CJ off the Bench Club"

Anybody want to join? j/k

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I'm starting a club for next year:

"The CJ off the Bench Club"

Anybody want to join? j/k

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I've been telling anyone who will listen that CJ needs to be the 6th man - not Trey - when Zion comes back.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

I've been telling anyone who will listen that CJ needs to be the 6th man - not Trey - when Zion comes back.

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It makes some sense but for politicking reasons, it will never happen.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

I've been telling anyone who will listen that CJ needs to be the 6th man - not Trey - when Zion comes back.

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Man I couldn’t agree more with you. CJ is a bench scorer at this point if his career.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

I'm starting a club for next year:

"The CJ off the Bench Club"

Anybody want to join? j/k

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I’d join and bring a sign to the game for the club. He is not acting like a vet should. Refusing to pass to wide open players is just maddening.

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I’d join and bring a sign to the game for the club. He is not acting like a vet should. Refusing to pass to wide open players is just maddening.

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I know that part of it is just that CJ is in his 30s and the expected passing package for a player is slightly different now than it was for a guard 10+ years ago when he was 'developing', but seeing him miss basic skip passes to a wide open Trey so he can take contested midrange faders is actually giving me migraines.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I know that part of it is just that CJ is in his 30s and the expected passing package for a player is slightly different now than it was for a guard 10+ years ago when he was 'developing', but seeing him miss basic skip passes to a wide open Trey so he can take contested midrange faders is actually giving me migraines.

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It’s been that way all year too. Even in the playoffs last year. We just didn’t realize it would carry over. If he’s not hitting, he kills the team.

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Originally Posted by neworleanshoo

Yep. Flush it and move on. Hopefully with some help from your franchise player.

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Lol cmon now

Wish they woulda went after Luke Kennard. :(

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Wish they woulda went after Luke Kennard. :(

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To me, CJ is not even an upgrade from Tyreke Evans as a player.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

CJ has had the most tumultuous season ever this year. He's had stretches of good solid play and then just weeks of being garbage and you never have any way of knowing which version you're gonna get in a given night.

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CJ has an injury to his shooting hand that will require surgery in the offseason. He has been putting the team first and playing hurt.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

CJ has an injury to his shooting hand that will require surgery in the offseason. He has been putting the team first and playing hurt.

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Last time I checked, you don't need your shooting hand to play defense. But, as you said, that "nice block when someone tried to drive on him" in the first quarter really tells the story of his elite, defensive prowess. Where did you buy get your 'rose-colored' glasses? I wanna get me a pair. SMH

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

CJ has an injury to his shooting hand that will require surgery in the offseason. He has been putting the team first and playing hurt.

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All I'm asking is for him to put the team even more first and stop playing CJ Ball so much.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Last time I checked, you don't need your shooting hand to play defense. But, as you said, that "nice block when someone tried to drive on him" in the first quarter really tells the story of his elite, defensive prowess. Where did you buy get your 'rose-colored' glasses? I wanna get me a pair. SMH

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I think you just need some regular glasses so that you can watch the game and not miss plays that happen on the floor. CJ made a good defensive play. A couple minutes later you post that he is “zero” on defense. I never said he was elite on defense. But he clearly is more than zero because he had just made a good defensive play.

In general I agree with others it has not been a good year for CJ. I think that having an injury on your shooting hand, could have an impact for a basketball player. As upset as we are when guys dont play through injuries, we arent very forgiving when they do either.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

In general I agree with others it has not been a good year for CJ. I think that having an injury on your shooting hand, could have an impact for a basketball player. As upset as we are when guys dont play through injuries, we arent very forgiving when they do either.

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I think the bigger issue for me is that the problems CJ is having are largely not problems that stem from having an injury to your shooting hand.

If the only issue was that he was shooting inefficiently, then yeah the hand issue would explain that away. Same with if he was a touch more turnover prone, or his handle was less refined. All of those are issues that a hand injury could cause, and it would make sense.

Having a hand injury does not explain hero-ball. There's no excuse for taking multiple consecutive shots early in the shot-clock with zero passes, off the dribble, when other guys are wide open with easy passing lanes, that comes from an injured hand. The two things don't correlate. So I'm not that forgiving with some of the big CJ issues because the issue is in his head, not his hand.

And this tracks with something I mentioned before the season started. I talked about the trouble of CJ taking a back-seat to others, because he had spent all summer talking about wanting to get out of Lillard's shadow, saying that this was 'his' team and speaking about how he wanted to prove he could be a 'lead guard' who handled the ball. I remember specifically saying how that was concerning to me, given that in a healthy team situation he's at most the third option. Then we saw that be something of an issue early in the season. It settled down towards Christmas, but as Zion went out with injury and BI returned, it feels like CJ has drifted back into the ''this is my team'' mindset. We even saw that with the ''vets only'' meeting the team recently had that conveniently excluded JV and was led by CJ.

It's irritating. He needs to accept his limits and play within a team concept, and that's true even if his hand was in pristine condition.

The Nets want to get rid of Ben Simmons? I'd take him for CJ and, if necessary, a couple of 2's.

If healthy, we'd have that point guard this team sorely needs, and upgrade our defense immeasurably. Yep, get Simmons out of the NY Media Circus and bring him back to Louisiana. In CJ, we have a chameleon; you never know what you are going to get. With a healthy Simmons, you know you are going get a guy who wants to pass (7-8 assists a game), the best rebounding guard in the league (apologies to JHart), and an All NBA Defensive Guard every night. I acknowledge that he is no 3-Point threat, but he is shooting plus 50% + from everywhere else (so he is an efficient scorer).

Note: He would be a God-send if Jonas remains on the team.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

The Nets want to get rid of Ben Simmons? I'd take him for CJ and, if necessary, a couple of 2's.

If healthy, we'd have that point guard this team sorely needs, and upgrade our defense immeasurably. Yep, get Simmons out of the NY Media Circus and bring him back to Louisiana. In CJ, we have a chameleon; you never know what you are going to get. With a healthy Simmons, you know you are going get a guy who wants to pass (7-8 assists a game), the best rebounding guard in the league (apologies to JHart), and an All NBA Defensive Guard every night. I acknowledge that he is no 3-Point threat, but he is shooting plus 50% + from everywhere else (so he is an efficient scorer).

Note: He would be a God-send if Jonas remains on the team.

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Lol. The Nets want to get rid of Simmons because he's not at all interested in playing basketball. He's the single worst asset/contract in the entire league, and you want to add picks to trade for him? If we had a trade exception and wouldn't have to give up anything it would be a horrible idea to add him. Bring him back to Louisiana like his time here went so well and he was well liked. Maybe we could surround Zion with Simmons, Herb, Dyson, and JV. All 5 defenders could stand directly under the basket. Every basketball opinion you have ever had is hereby invalidated.

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Originally Posted by ml wave

Lol. The Nets want to get rid of Simmons because he's not at all interested in playing basketball. He's the single worst asset/contract in the entire league, and you want to add picks to trade for him? If we had a trade exception and wouldn't have to give up anything it would be a horrible idea to add him. Bring him back to Louisiana like his time here went so well and he was well liked. Maybe we could surround Zion with Simmons, Herb, Dyson, and JV. All 5 defenders could stand directly under the basket. Every basketball opinion you have ever had is hereby invalidated.

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Yeah, maybe you are right, we might be better off with a PG who is a defensive turnstile and who has more ups and downs than a Sears Tower Elevator. I'll defer to your expertise. LOL

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Originally Posted by As I See It

The Nets want to get rid of Ben Simmons? I'd take him for CJ and, if necessary, a couple of 2's.

If healthy, we'd have that point guard this team sorely needs, and upgrade our defense immeasurably. Yep, get Simmons out of the NY Media Circus and bring him back to Louisiana. In CJ, we have a chameleon; you never know what you are going to get. With a healthy Simmons, you know you are going get a guy who wants to pass (7-8 assists a game), the best rebounding guard in the league (apologies to JHart), and an All NBA Defensive Guard every night. I acknowledge that he is no 3-Point threat, but he is shooting plus 50% + from everywhere else (so he is an efficient scorer).

Note: He would be a God-send if Jonas remains on the team.

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I'd say you are joking, but based on your track record, I must accept that you aren't. Oy vey!

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Originally Posted by As I See It

To me, CJ is not even an upgrade from Tyreke Evans as a player.

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While CJ certainly has struggled lately, you may have forgotten how bad Evans was for the Pelicans.

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Originally Posted by luigi modelo

I'd say you are joking, but based on your track record, I must accept that you aren't. Oy vey!

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You feel a 30+ year old converted PG who is adverse to sharing the ball is the better option then a 26 year old...

... 3 Time All Star
... 2 Time First Team All Defensive Player
... Former Steals later
... Former Rookie of the Year
... 1 Time All NBA Teamer

Well?

And just for the record....

I do recall how I was first to say that the biggest need of our team was a stretch five four years ago to give # 1 room to operate, suggesting Brook Lopez, Kelly Olynyk, and even Lauri Markkanen. Meanwhile, a Favors, an Adams, and a JV later, here we are. Well?

I also said right after drafting JAX that he needed to be developed because he was so raw and that he should spend his rookie year in Erie. I took considerable grief for my position. I guess I missed out on that one, too. Now we are probably telling JAX. "Good Bye". Are you invited to his going away party? Well?

While everyone else was saying the biggest need, going into this year, was a rim-protecting big man, I said the biggest need was a competent a Point Guard. Now, at the end of the season, everyone wants the ball out of our PG's hands. Well?

And yes, I said, as soon as he was traded for, that CJ could never play the point. Well?

There is more, but why bore you?

You're the type that could catch your best friend in bed with your wife and then go fishing with him because you would 'deny your lying eyes". LOL

I'll gladly stand on my track record.

No defence = No wins. Pathetic efford.