Trade Deadline Stuff - [League Wide] - 2023

One thing I will say is the more assets you have the more likely teams will play hardball with you and make a lesser deal out of spite. I wouldn’t be surprised if teams tried to fleece us and we just dipped out of deals for that reason.

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Originally Posted by Impose

I would have been tryna flip Herb, Jax, Devonte and picks into Mikal Bridges as part of the Durant trade.

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Didn't seem he was available though.. the grizz wanted him as well but nets shot it down.

I would've like what the lakers got in Beasley and Vanderbilt for the price they paid

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Originally Posted by Taker597

"Fantastic" Is a contending team


Derrick Favors
Eric Bledsoe
Steven Adams (Two 1st)
Devonte Graham (1st round pick)

Then, you keeping Alvin Gentry and paying SVG to be at home.

Please quit being delusional. It's a fine, good roster that he manage dig himself out of the own hole that he got himself in... It's not remotely close to a fantastic roster

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You can talk about Derrick Favors all you want. I care about where we are NOW. We have a fantastic roster. We will contend these playoffs.

i went on youtube and watch some of josh play...im in on dude..he can shoot the 3 and he like to play defense and thats good enough for me..

I'm just glad Willie can't play Devonte anymore.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

i went on youtube and watch some of josh play...im in on dude..he can shoot the 3 and he like to play defense and thats good enough for me..

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Yea I think J-Rich was a smart guy to target while shedding Devonte future money. Dyson, J-Rich & Herb on the floor together is gonna be interesting defensively. Wonder if we'll ever see it.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Yea I think J-Rich was a smart guy to target while shedding Devonte future money. Dyson, J-Rich & Herb on the floor together is gonna be interesting defensively. Wonder if we'll ever see it.

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right...dont know when dyson is up to return from his injury so if we do see it, it may be right before the playoffs..

I'm just glad we got a wing defender that can actually make jump shots. Maybe not Steph Curry-like but he's respectable from out there.

We're not title contenders YET so it didn't make sense to sell the farm for guys that will kill our growth and young player development. In 2 years we're gonna be a real problem if Griff doesn't screw this up.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

right...dont know when dyson is up to return from his injury so if we do see it, it may be right before the playoffs..

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Hes listed as a game time decision on the injury report. My guess is just after the all star break. Probably going to get him and Zion back around the same time.

Serge Ibaka and Dedmon were waived. Just incase we needed another big man.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

i went on youtube and watch some of josh play...im in on dude..he can shoot the 3 and he like to play defense and thats good enough for me..

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Yep, he is Willie Green’s type of player. An aggressive wing defender.

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Originally Posted by P_B_&_G

Hes listed as a game time decision on the injury report. My guess is just after the all star break. Probably going to get him and Zion back around the same time.

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I’m ready for this post all star break run.

Most likely this is an avocado season for the Pels and they just need to try and finish the year strong. The goal should be a good first round series. Maybe contest for home court, get healthy and get a sense of BI and Zion playing together so we can finally get a sense of what is needed around them before we're neck deep in luxery tax. Getting below the tax and lowering next season's salary is good. Trades at the deadline often include huge overpays (not so sure we saw too many this season but it's totally possible that the asking price for some of those on the block like OG could have been. I wish we would have looked at Sadiq Bey and Jakob Poetl for their prices but, meh. I think offseason trades are better for getting value, especially if we have a better idea of what we're building towards and what is needed. I'm not super excited either way. Richardson showed a lot of promise when he was in Miami but hasn't lived up to it since. This gives him a team with decent culture to try and see what he can do and see if he fits in. If he does then great, we can resign him or sign and trade him. If not, cool, he's gone at the end of the season. We all knew Graham wasn't the answer so it's good to see him move on.

Great acquisition. I like it a lot. Can defend and can shoot, his 3P% is down this year but that's on an awful Spurs team. I just feel he'll be a likeable player too.

When Zion is back I can see him drawing defenders and having CJ, JRich and Trey waiting for a kick out.

Has hit some clutch shots in the past too which adds a lot.

If you say this is an underwhelming trade then maybe you should follow the Lakers if you want to be overwhelmed.

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Originally Posted by bustah

Great acquisition. I like it a lot. Can defend and can shoot, his 3P% is down this year but that's on an awful Spurs team. I just feel he'll be a likeable player too.

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He's an exceptionally mid-tier defender and his 3pt shooting not much to write home about. Will be league average on mid-level volume, which is cool as someone who shouldn't even crack the healthy playoff rotation, but it's hardly thrilling stuff. 35.7% this year, 41.5% the year prior, 33.0% the year before that, 34.1% the year before that, 35.7% the year before that.

Durant traded to Suns. Not good for us....

We better be healthy for the 2nd half of the season or we are gonna get buried.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He's an exceptionally mid-tier defender and his 3pt shooting not much to write home about. Will be league average on mid-level volume, which is cool as someone who shouldn't even crack the healthy playoff rotation, but it's hardly thrilling stuff. 35.7% this year, 41.5% the year prior, 33.0% the year before that, 34.1% the year before that, 35.7% the year before that.

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Yeah but you're just being a pessimist. We got rid of the worst of our small guards for someone who can be serviceable and better defensively than Graham for the rest of this year.

I heard on a podcast that this was a good salary dump. The person said that with this money they have saved, they can resign a player or two who they might not be able to resign.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He's an exceptionally mid-tier defender and his 3pt shooting not much to write home about. Will be league average on mid-level volume, which is cool as someone who shouldn't even crack the healthy playoff rotation, but it's hardly thrilling stuff. 35.7% this year, 41.5% the year prior, 33.0% the year before that, 34.1% the year before that, 35.7% the year before that.

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This is merely an attempt to get more out of the 12.6MM we were paying DG. We get a chance to test drive JRich and see if the gravity of our star-power can improve his numbers and if not, it becomes a salary dump.

The more interesting questions going forward....

1. Are we going to let JAX walk (QO: 9.2MM)?
2. What, if any, is JV's role on this team going forward?
3. After we've kicked the tires, is Josh Richardson a keeper (and at what price)?
4. Will we extend Herb this summer or not (RFA in '24)? If so, what will it look like?
5. Will we exercise the club option on Naji (1.93MM) or offer an extension?
6. Who do we draft?
7. Where will the retirement party be for GT?

Also, we have to exercise our club option on Jose' (the end of June).

Get Zion back along with Dyson and as the season progresses I think we will remind everyone who runs this


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Kira Lewis probably benefits the most as he is much more likely to get some consistent minutes now. It was a boring trade deadline for us but I'm glad we did not overpay by giving up assets to add a mid level non all star caliber player.

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Originally Posted by bustah

Yeah but you're just being a pessimist. We got rid of the worst of our small guards for someone who can be serviceable and better defensively than Graham for the rest of this year.

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I'm not being pessimistic. Like I said earlier in the thread, I don't hate the move in a vacuum, it just doesn't excite me. We made a trade where the primary benefit is financial, because we're a playoff team and so the moves we make regarding players who shouldn't touch the floor in the playoffs (which is true of both Graham and Richardson) are hardly going to make me too hype. Richardson might be a perfectly serviceable 10th man (he probably will be) but that doesn't mean we have to be unrealistic about who he is as a player.

In the offseason I think you let Jaxson walk. Temple will be gone and you probably won't be resigning Richardson. Those moves alone save $24m vs. this current season's cap.

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Originally Posted by Jabberwalker

Most likely this is an avocado season for the Pels

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Creamy and delicious?

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Well guys, the team is no better today than it was yesterday but on the plus side, we got rid of all those annoying 2nd round picks and our billionaire owner will save some cash on the luxury tax next year, maybe.

Hooray!

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I mean, we'd have sold the picks for cash anyway, so 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other really...

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Originally Posted by Impose

I would have been tryna flip Herb, Jax, Devonte and picks into Mikal Bridges as part of the Durant trade.

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Supposedly the rumor is that Griff went hard after Bridges. Talk is that we were the team that offered the 4 1sts for him (from the local guys like Shamit and Mac).

We’ll if true u can’t blame Griff for not trying.

Whoa 4 firsts for Bridges? I?m glad they didn?t take that deal.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Whoa 4 firsts for Bridges? I?m glad they didn?t take that deal.

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I mean, I get the thinking. They probably included the Bucks pick in there which is going to be low and what's the floor of this team if we add Bridges to it? We'd be at minimum a playoff team for the next 4 years. That's worth 4 firsts to me. Let's assume we give away this year's Lakers pick (top two protected), next year's Bucks pick, this years Pels pick, and our 25 first. Let's just guess those are picks 9, 25, 20, 22.

The best player of the last 4 drafts picked in each of those spots:
Davion Mitchell
Walker Kessler
Immanuel Quickly
Matese Thybule

Is that worth a starter and raising our floor to sure fire playoff team for 5 years? I think it absolutely is. 4 firsts sounds like a high price but in reality I think it's a totally reasonable compensation to trade up multiple players for a better one.

2019 #20 Thybulle- you had Poole, Keldon Johnson, Claxton after that
2020 #25 Immanuel Quickly - you had jaden McDaniels, desmond bane after that.
2021 #9 Davion Mitchell - you had sengun, trey, herb after that.
2022 #22 Kessler (great pick)

If you have a team that's good at drafting and developing players then I'll take any 4 combinations in those draft despite only picking in the lottery once in that example. If it was for a superstar type player though then i would gamble those 4 1st rd picks for that type of talent.

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Originally Posted by hornetsrebirth

Whoa 4 firsts for Bridges? I?m glad they didn?t take that deal.

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:hihi: Suns would have crippled themselves taking that deal if any of that was true. But it's not so....

Devonte Graham at 31 points in his first game with the Spurs.
6-14 from 3 point range, 7-7 FTs.
Tied at the end of first OT.

Lol look at graham

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Originally Posted by luckyman

:hihi: Suns would have crippled themselves taking that deal if any of that was true. But it's not so....

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That was offered to Brooklyn and not the Suns.

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Supposedly the rumor is that Griff went hard after Bridges. Talk is that we were the team that offered the 4 1sts for him (from the local guys like Shamit and Mac).

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Makes too much sense if the OG deal was dead in the water. Brooklyn have too many wings now and appear to be blowing it up somewhat.

I love Herb and I don't -want- to trade him but getting an elite defender that's more reliable offensively should help this squad immensely.

If we don't make the playoffs or are an easy out in the first I can see a major shift happening. I'd start with scaling back CJ into a younger, actual, point guard. The lack of lobs for a team this athletic is beyond a joke. No-one really has elite passing skill in this team.

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Originally Posted by Impose

Makes too much sense if the OG deal was dead in the water. Brooklyn have too many wings now and appear to be blowing it up somewhat.

I love Herb and I don't -want- to trade him but getting an elite defender that's more reliable offensively should help this squad immensely.

If we don't make the playoffs or are an easy out in the first I can see a major shift happening. I'd start with scaling back CJ into a younger, actual, point guard. The lack of lobs for a team this athletic is beyond a joke. No-one really has elite passing skill in this team.

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Kira actually looked good in his first half minutes, but he only got 6 minutes, and then didn't get back into the game until garbage time.

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Originally Posted by Impose

I'd start with scaling back CJ into a younger, actual, point guard.

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I've been singing this song since last year when it became apparent that CJ was the weak link in the Phoenix series, Bless his huge heart, but Jose' is such a liability defensively in the half court because of his size (despite the occasional "ooh or aah plays") and will never be the answer. By asking the 'star-power' to run point on this team only spreads them thin; they should be doing what they do best...FINISHING and leave the orchestration to a true conductor.

Bird and Parish had Dennis Johnson
Garnett and Pierce had Rajon Rondo
Duncan and Ginobli had Tony Parker
Irving and Malone had Mo Cheeks

I'm very high on Dyson Daniels, but have been calling for the team to bring in a older point guard (Rubio, Conley, or even Rondo) to mentor him. There is no one on this team right now who can 'right the ship' when it starts taking on water and before you know it a seven point lead becomes a 10 point deficit.

And, yes, I'm not giving up on Kira either. But again, where is his mentor?