JJ Reddick blast Griffin

If anything JJ. Plays his role well when he does not get what he wants. That part he does well at least. #7 on the list.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...etball-history

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Should we bring back Dell Demps?

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As a small market team with no history of success. The GM needs to value relationships with players. If players can't trust the GM, it will certainly hurt us in free agency. You can claim JJ doesn't have clout. But you can't make that same claim with Jrue. NBA players have a brotherhood. If Jrue felt scorn on how Griff went about the trade, he won't say it publicly but he can certainly speak on it privately. And that will hurt us just the same. We are not the Lakers or Celtics, we have no place to hold such arrogance.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

As a small market team with no history of success. The GM needs to value relationships with players. If players can't trust the GM, it will certainly hurt us in free agency. You can claim JJ doesn't have clout. But you can't make that same claim with Jrue. NBA players have a brotherhood. If Jrue felt scorn on how Griff went about the trade, he won't say it publicly but he can certainly speak on it privately. And that will hurt us just the same. We are not the Lakers or Celtics, we have no place to hold such arrogance.

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Oh really? So upset?

https://www.fox6now.com/sports/jrue-...im-feel-wanted

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“I want a chance to put a ring on my finger,”

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Them giving up all the pieces that they did, it really, really made me feel like they wanted me to be here,” Holiday said Thursday. “That’s always a good feeling.”

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What a horrible thing to get traded to a contender. So horrible.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Oh really? So upset?

https://www.fox6now.com/sports/jrue-...im-feel-wanted

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Jrue would never say anything publicly. But if you can't read between the lines of feeling wanted by the Bucks then idk what to tell you. I'm not saying Jrue is upset. But I know if you trade me 3 weeks after congratulating me on my newborn, a year after saying I'm the face of the franchise, I would definitely feel jaded. So if he was upset, I wouldn't be surprised. Yes its a business, but there's a thing called good faith. Saying one thing and doing another is bad business.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Jrue would never say anything publicly. But if you can't read between the lines of feeling wanted by the Bucks then idk what to tell you. I'm not saying Jrue is upset. But I know if you trade me 3 weeks after congratulating me on my newborn, a year after saying I'm the face of the franchise, I would definitely feel jaded. So if he was upset, I wouldn't be surprised. Yes its a business, but there's a thing called good faith. Saying one thing and doing another is bad business.

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Conspiracy theories or nature of the business?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Jrue would never say anything publicly. But if you can't read between the lines of feeling wanted by the Bucks then idk what to tell you. I'm not saying Jrue is upset. But I know if you trade me 3 weeks after congratulating me on my newborn, a year after saying I'm the face of the franchise, I would definitely feel jaded. So if he was upset, I wouldn't be surprised. Yes its a business, but there's a thing called good faith. Saying one thing and doing another is bad business.

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You're way off base. The Pels worked with him to get him to a contender when it became obvious he was not going to extend with the Pelicans. They did him a solid and I am sure he is appreciative.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Conspiracy theories?

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How is that a conspiracy theory? Where is the conspiracy?

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

You're way off base. The Pels worked with him to get him to a contender when it became obvious he was not going to extend with the Pelicans. They did him a solid and I am sure he is appreciative.

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When did Jrue request a trade?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

How is that a conspiracy theory? Where is the conspiracy?

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It’s a business. He was sent to a contender. You saying he should have waited till when to trade him?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

When did Jrue request a trade?

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He was being shopped for awhile . He asked to be on a contender and got it.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

It’s a business. He was sent to a contender. You saying he should have waited till when to trade him?

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If he didn't request a trade. I don't see the need to trade him in the first place.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

He was being shopped for awhile . He asked to be on a contender and got it.

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Conspiracy theory? You have a quote of Jrue asking to be on a contender?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

If he didn't request a trade. I don't see the need to trade him in the first place.

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Aha . So it is your belief. Well you are too late. We had this discussion last season. End of story.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Conspiracy theory? You have a quote of Jrue asking to be on a contender?

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You, yourself, said that Jrue would never talk about such things publicly. Just because he hasn't publicly asked for a trade doesn't mean he hadn't done so with the front office.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Aha . So it is your belief. Well you are too late. We had this discussion last season. End of story.

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The conversation isn't whether we should've traded Jrue or not. You asked a question and I answered it. The conversation is Griffin saying one thing and doing another, creating bad faith with players and whether that will affect the team in the future.

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

You, yourself, said that Jrue would never talk about such things publicly. Just because he hasn't publicly asked for a trade doesn't mean he hadn't done so with the front office.

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Griffin certainly would've said it. Is there a quote of Griffin saying we traded Jrue because he asked for it?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Griffin certainly would've said it. Is there a quote of Griffin saying we traded Jrue because he asked for it?

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If the mutually agreed to goal was to move Jrue to a contender, why would Jrue want it out that he asked for a trade? Why would Griffin need to say Jrue wanted out? Making that public serves no purpose for either side.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

The conversation isn't whether we should've traded Jrue or not. You asked a question and I answered it. The conversation is Griffin saying one thing and doing another, creating bad faith with players and whether that will affect the team in the future.

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Did not realize the Dallas Mavericks is such a horrible place.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

If he didn't request a trade. I don't see the need to trade him in the first place.

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Maybe because he was an expiring, doesn't fit the timeline age-wise, and the chance of resigning him was very slim. Missteps aside, the trade was still a very good one from the Pelicans point of view. If we wouldn't have gotten Bled-saddy we probably would've won more games and wouldn't have gotten the stud we're about to draft ;)

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

If the mutually agreed to goal was to move Jrue to a contender, why would Jrue want it out that he asked for a trade? Why would Griffin need to say Jrue wanted out? Making that public serves no purpose for either side.

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Okay then don't say definitively that Jrue asked to go to a contender because you don't know either.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Did not realize the Dallas Mavericks is such a horrible place.

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It's not about Dallas being a bad place. Based on what JJ's issues were, he could have been traded to the Lakers and been unhappy with the trade.

Didn’t realize the NBA turned into the crybaby league. At least I laughed too

So after JJ Redick accused the Pelicans' David Griffin of "not honoring his word" in trading JJ to Dallas, I expected @RKHorry and @RJeff24 to side with the vet. Oh boy did they *not* do that: pic.twitter.com/qbiN543QQ4

— Rachel Nichols (@Rachel__Nichols) March 31, 2021

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Okay then don't say definitively that Jrue asked to go to a contender because you don't know either.

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I didn't say he "definitively" asked to go to a contender. I simply said we don't know. You asserted that Jrue didn't want to be traded and that we did it against his wishes. That fact has not been established on the record.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

When did Jrue request a trade?

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These things don't occur in a vacuum.

When Jrue snubbed the Pels' generous contract extension going into his last year of his contract, the writing was on the wall. That's when Holiday requested a trade.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

These things don't occur in a vacuum.

When Jrue snubbed the Pels' generous contract extension going into his last year of his contract, the writing was on the wall. That's when Holiday requested a trade.

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Thank you

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Originally Posted by donato

Maybe because he was an expiring, doesn't fit the timeline age-wise, and the chance of resigning him was very slim. Missteps aside, the trade was still a very good one from the Pelicans point of view. If we wouldn't have gotten Bled-saddy we probably would've won more games and wouldn't have gotten the stud we're about to draft ;)

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Lol the trade sucked. We lost terribly in that trade. And the 2 picks we picked up, will probably have to be used to trade the 2 horrible players we got back in the deal. Would've been better off letting him expire.

Even if he was expiring, if he decided to opt out. This notion that you just have to trade a player on the last year of his deal because you're not sure if they'd resign just doesn't make sense to me. Its okay to let players play out their deal. Everything doesn't have to be about getting something back.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

These things don't occur in a vacuum.

When Jrue snubbed the Pels' generous contract extension going into his last year of his contract, the writing was on the wall. That's when Holiday requested a trade.

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When did Jrue decline an extension? Proof?

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Lol the trade sucked. We lost terribly in that trade. And the 2 picks we picked up, will probably have to be used to trade the 2 horrible players we got back in the deal. Would've been better off letting him expire.

Even if he was expiring, if he decided to opt out. This notion that you just have to trade a player on the last year of his deal because you're not sure if they'd resign just doesn't make sense to me. Its okay to let players play out their deal. Everything doesn't have to be about getting something back.

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Thank God you are not the GM of Pelicans

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

Lol the trade sucked. We lost terribly in that trade. And the 2 picks we picked up, will probably have to be used to trade the 2 horrible players we got back in the deal. Would've been better off letting him expire.

Even if he was expiring, if he decided to opt out. This notion that you just have to trade a player on the last year of his deal because you're not sure if they'd resign just doesn't make sense to me. Its okay to let players play out their deal. Everything doesn't have to be about getting something back.

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You are overstating these contracts. Are they deals that I would want them to sign if we had the choice today? No. Are they so bad that we need to move assets to get off of them? Possibly for Bledsoe, though 2 years is not the end of the world. No way do we need to do it for Adams.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

When did Jrue decline an extension? Proof?

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Educate yourself

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2020/4...ball-josh-hart

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

You are overstating these contracts. Are they deals that I would want them to sign if we had the choice today? No. Are they so bad that we need to move assets to get off of them? Possibly for Bledsoe, though 2 years is not the end of the world. No way do we need to do it for Adams.

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No one will take Adams at 2 years 35 million. Playing the way he is.

Either way the conversation is about creating bad faith with players and I believe Griffin is doing that. It will hurt us in the long run. Business is more than just getting value, its about relationships. Players are not cattle, relationships matter.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Educate yourself

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2020/4...ball-josh-hart

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That article was written on April 2nd, 2020. Says nothing about Jrue declining an extension. You're grasping for straws.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Educate yourself

https://www.thebirdwrites.com/2020/4...ball-josh-hart

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That's a speculative article. No where in there does it mention that the Pelicans offered him an extension.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

No one will take Adams at 2 years 35 million. Playing the way he is.

Either way the conversation is about creating bad faith with players and I believe Griffin is doing that. It will hurt us in the long run. Business is more than just getting value, its about relationships. Players are not cattle, relationships matter.

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On this, I agree with you. I hate the idea that Griffin is throwing away goodwill for a late 2nd round pick. It doesn't make any sense. What we don't know is if JJ's side of the story is completely accurate.

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

That's a speculative article. No where in there does it mention that the Pelicans offered him an extension.

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Agree. Exactly what I wanted to point out. We discussed it last year Don’t know why it is news to Houston all of a sudden.

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Originally Posted by 13 - 3

Agree. Exactly what I wanted to point out

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?? You posted this in response to "When did Jrue decline an extension? Proof?" with a note of "Educate yourself." Not sure what your goal was there, but it clearly missed the mark.

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

On this, I agree with you. I hate the idea that Griffin is throwing away goodwill for a late 2nd round pick. It doesn't make any sense. What we don't know is if JJ's side of the story is completely accurate.

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True we don't know if JJs side of the story is completely accurate. Just worries me if Griffin is throwing away goodwill. I know myself as a corporate worker, when I'm deciding on a company to work for I read employee reviews on Glassdoor and Indeed, or ask a friend who's worked there about the culture. If I see too often they mistreat employees or its not a good culture, I wouldn't work for the company unless they paid an overwhelming salary. Same with any talented worker that has options with their employment. I get its a business, but relationships still matter, doing the right thing goes a long way.

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Originally Posted by DarkHornet

?? You posted this in response to "When did Jrue decline an extension? Proof?" with a note of "Educate yourself." Not sure what you're goal was there, but it clearly missed the mark.

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Whatever. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by 6warddude

we will be aright....nothing to see here..

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by HoustonPelicans

When did Jrue decline an extension? Proof?

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Do you have proof he did not decline an extension? Do you have proof he did not request a trade? You can play the game all day, but we all know that no one here was in the room with Jrue and Griffin and therefore would not have "proof."

I’m glad we kept Lonzo instead

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/l...-wanted-to-be/

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Originally Posted by PELICANSFAN

Do you have proof he did not decline an extension? Do you have proof he did not request a trade? You can play the game all day, but we all know that no one here was in the room with Jrue and Griffin and therefore would not have "proof."

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Agreed but I wasn't the one speaking definitively

It annoyed me to hear JJ trash the front office for this. When he signed with the Pelicans I presume he took the best offer he could get. He acted in his own interest, as he should, didn’t take less than he could get in order to do the Pelicans franchise a favor. Now he expects the Pelicans to take less than they can get in order to do him a favor, that?s bull********. Thinks he deserves special treatment for being a 15 year vet. He didn’t play for this organization for 15 years. So the Pelicans are supposed to go against their own interest because he played for other organizations for years? Really? Maybe if he didn’t underperform so much this year there would have been more of a demand for his services and he could have been traded to a team he liked better.

It’s insinuated that JJ was leaking the buyout information to other teams as well. He is still in the wrong either way, but it just furthers the point that people (and organizations for that matter) are concerned with their own self-interest (as they should be).

I wish we had traded Griff before we traded Jrue.

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Originally Posted by UNO Gracias

I wish we had traded Griff before we traded Jrue.

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You would have been OK with paying Jrue $40 million a year?

That trade looks very good right now. We got a useful vet and a second round pick for two guys that play no D and we’re not really the shooters they were supposed to be.