March 1st - New Orleans Pelicans VS Utah Jazz - 14-19

Game's over, we win by 5.

Zion finishes with 29/10/5 on 59% shooting
Ingram had 26/4/5 on 55% shooting
Lonzo had 23/7/8 on 56% shooting
Redick with 17 points on 63% shooting, including 75% from 3 (3/4)

Not one turnover by our starting guards!!

Well guy's, we did win! Lol

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Game's over, we win by 5.

Zion finishes with 29/10/5 on 59% shooting
Ingram had 26/4/5 on 55% shooting
Lonzo had 23/7/8 on 56% shooting
Redick with 17 points on 63% shooting, including 75% from 3 (3/4)

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Turnovers?

Josh Hart deserves to start.

I don't understand this team from game to game.

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Originally Posted by msusousaphone

Like seriously. I've been gone a bit. But I'm thinking....well....they've had a few months of him shooting great from three and an insane increase from FT%....surely they've eating some crow and grown a bit. But nope. Still naysaying.

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Pretty much all of the conversation in this thread about Lonzo is positive. I, and some others, have said tonight was one of his best games of the year. Most people (again, including me) are saying that if he can keep this up he deserves to be paid up to $18m a year: this from people who, like myself, thought he wasn't even worth $14m max at the start of the year. Everyone is being positive about him right now. The only question is consistency.

Not sure why you're up on your high horse when your take is literally as common as mud right now.

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Originally Posted by As I See It

Turnovers?

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13 TOs. Six by Zion, 4 by BI.

Do What?!?! Beat the freaking Jazz!! Man we might just have to pay Ole Lonzo with the way he?s playing lately. When I?m saying get the ball to Lonzo at the end of games, something I thought would never leave my lips, than you know the kid is balling out of control

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

I don't understand this team from game to game.

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It's the Pelicans way...

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Originally Posted by RobertM320

13 TOs. Six by Zion, 4 by BI.

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He knows, he's just a troll. If I had listed the turnovers he'd be like ''AND HOW MANY MISSED ROTATIONS!?!?!?''

Clownshoes character.

Uffff.... It was close at the end.... But all around - nice Win guys!

Notice how our defense didn’t fall apart in the 1st and 3rd when our guards did the bare minimum defensively.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He knows, he's just a troll. If I had listed the turnovers he'd be like ''AND HOW MANY MISSED ROTATIONS!?!?!?''

Clownshoes character.

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He is a multi and obviously one that you rubbed the wrong way. I wonder who?

good win by the team tonight

Beat the Jazz, scored 129, and only made 7 three pointers. Good things happen when you hold a team to 45% shooting.

If only Lonzo could raise his floor. His ceiling games are great.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

We're not signing a superstar, that's for sure. We just never do, no reason to think it would start now even if we had the money.

My answer with resigning Lonzo comes down to, as it always does, how much?

$14-$16m? Sure, especially if he keeps this play going, or something relatively close to it.

$20-$25m, as some people have suggested? No sir.

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I?d go 20 tops, that?s my limit.

Also I think it’s just amazing that Lonzo can hit FTs now

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Beat the Jazz, scored 129, and only made 7 three pointers. Good things happen when you hold a team to 45% shooting.

If only Lonzo could raise his floor. His ceiling games are great.

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First time a team has won a game taking 11 3PAs or fewer since 2017 (when Minnesota beat Portland, going 4/9 from 3).

The first time a team has hit 129 points while taking only 11 3PAs since [I think] 2011.

First time any team has scored 70 points in the paint on the Jazz in 25 years.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

I don't understand this team from game to game.

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It’s effort related. Little things like movement off the ball, being there for help and not getting beat every time on the screen. We do the bare minimum and we are a much better team. We don’t do it often

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

First time a team has won a game taking 11 3PAs or fewer since 2017 (when Minnesota beat Portland, going 4/9 from 3).

The first time a team has hit 129 points while taking only 11 3PAs since [I think] 2011.

First time any team has scored 70 points in the paint on the Jazz in 25 years.

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With the 2 Time Defensive Player of the Year manning the middle. Pretty big deal right there.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

It’s effort related. Little things like movement off the ball, being there for help and not getting beat every time on the screen. We do the bare minimum and we are a much better team. We don’t do it often

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Point in case: we have beat Milwaukee, Clippers, Suns, and Jazz so far this season, as well as pulling off a huge comeback against Boston (who are not great this year, but are still a pretty solid team). We have also been mauled by Detroit, Dallas, Sacramento, Chicago, Houston, and Minnesota.

We have a really annoying habit of playing down to bad competition and playing up against good teams. We have a kind of lackadaisical nature against bad teams where we just kind of walk in and try to cruise, and we're flat out not good enough to do that. So we try and get hammered.

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— Depressed Pels Fan (@depressedpelfan) March 2, 2021

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

First time a team has won a game taking 11 3PAs or fewer since 2017 (when Minnesota beat Portland, going 4/9 from 3).

The first time a team has hit 129 points while taking only 11 3PAs since [I think] 2011.

First time any team has scored 70 points in the paint on the Jazz in 25 years.

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This is the way.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Also I think it’s just amazing that Lonzo can hit FTs now

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Lonzo look like he did like last February and March. He's a still very much rhythm player and still developing consistency. Going forward if the only thing we have to worry about is him taking a month to get going in the season and him improving his one on one defense. He's a 20 mm player that still pretty moveable if he doesn't improve to his ceiling potential.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Point in case: we have beat Milwaukee, Clippers, Suns, and Jazz so far this season, as well as pulling off a huge comeback against Boston (who are not great this year, but are still a pretty solid team). We have also been mauled by Detroit, Dallas, Sacramento, Chicago, Houston, and Minnesota.

We have a really annoying habit of playing down to bad competition and playing up against good teams. We have a kind of lackadaisical nature against bad teams where we just kind of walk in and try to cruise, and we're flat out not good enough to do that. So we try and get hammered.

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Exactly. Until we solve that problem, we will be mediocre. I fully expect us to lay an egg against the next weak team which sums us up as a franchise

From @ESPNStatsInfo: Zion Williamson became the youngest player in Pels history (20 years, 238 days) with at least 25 points, 10 rebounds and 5 assists in a game.

AD was 20-361 when he did it and CP3 was 21-209 when he did it.

— Andrew Lopez (@_Andrew_Lopez) March 2, 2021

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He knows, he's just a troll. If I had listed the turnovers he'd be like ''AND HOW MANY MISSED ROTATIONS!?!?!?''

Clownshoes character.

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That's pretty rich for somewhat who writes this in back to back posts in the same thread.....

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

.......if you could design a 5 in the lab to fit this team they'd have the ability to shoot.

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and

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I disagree with the take that the team needs a stretch 5.

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But, hey, it takes all kinds.

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Originally Posted by Taker597

Lonzo look like he did like last February and March. He's a still very much rhythm player and still developing consistency. Going forward if the only thing we have to worry about is him taking a month to get going in the season and him improving his one on one defense. He's a 20 mm player that still pretty moveable if he doesn't improve to his ceiling potential.

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Agreed, he’s only 23 and is putting up 17-6-5 numbers while shooting great from 3 with high volume and shooting over 75% from 3. He still has a lot of room for improvement and could easily be a 20-7-6 guy, probably won’t be sharing the rock with Ingram and Zion tho. I am a Lonzo fan

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Originally Posted by As I See It

That's pretty rich for somewhat who writes this in back to back posts in the same thread.....



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But, hey, it takes all kinds.

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This feud has reach WWF levels of entertainment...

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Originally Posted by Taker597

This feud has reach WWF levels of entertainment...

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Exactly why I blocked him, his sole mission is to troll

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Originally Posted by Taker597

This feud has reach WWF levels of entertainment...

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@Pelicandae is there a scorned lover we don’t know about?

That was some actual coaching with the subbing at the end.

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Agreed, he?s only 23 and is putting up 17-6-5 numbers while shooting great from 3 with high volume and shooting over 75% from 3. He still has a lot of room for improvement and could easily be a 20-7-6 guy, probably won?t be sharing the rock with Ingram and Zion tho. I am a Lonzo fan

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I don't think the raw stats are as important as the way and the timing of them.

I mean if he get's 20 points in 2 games, but in one game he's taking and hitting mid range jumpers late and the other he has a whole bunch of uncontested layups, the raw stats will be identical but the two games far apart in reality.

I will be pleasantly shocked if they beat the Bulls on Wednesday.

The second ranked rebounding team in the NBA just got outrebounded (53-39).

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Originally Posted by luckyman

I will be pleasantly shocked if they beat the Bulls on Wednesday.

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I'm honestly thinking of putting an entire paycheck on the Bulls. But loved the win tonight

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Originally Posted by AusPel

I don't think the raw stats are as important as the way and the timing of them.

I mean if he get's 20 points in 2 games, but in one game he's taking and hitting mid range jumpers late and the other he has a whole bunch of uncontested layups, the raw stats will be identical but the two games far apart in reality.

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True. I’ll just say he has been playing extremely well lately. Looks like the game has finally slowed down for him and he’s under control

It's about as far from a one-to-one comparison as possible, but I'm starting to see Lonzo as this team's version of Draymond Green. He does all of the things that the two stars don't do and his play is generally the bellwether of how the team plays as a whole. If he continues to fill in the gaps and play like this (consistency, as we have discussed ad nauseam, being the biggest concern) then it would be damn near impossible to find a better fit with BI and Zion going forward on the open market, especially at what is likely to be somewhere below a max salary.

And obviously all of the praise probably means he's about to go into a 3 month long shooting slump followed by him signing with the Clippers and becoming a perennial all-star.

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Originally Posted by Nola3

And obviously all of the praise probably means he's about to go into a 3 month long shooting slump followed by him signing with the Clippers and becoming a perennial all-star.

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As the person that done Lonzo praise train on my 5th go around. The trends with Lonzo as they currently stands is that he doesn't shoot well on long layoffs and away games. So, I think we maybe in the clear...

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Originally Posted by Nola3

It's about as far from a one-to-one comparison as possible, but I'm starting to see Lonzo as this team's version of Draymond Green. He does all of the things that the two stars don't do and his play is generally the bellwether of how the team plays as a whole. If he continues to fill in the gaps and play like this (consistency, as we have discussed ad nauseam, being the biggest concern) then it would be damn near impossible to find a better fit with BI and Zion going forward on the open market, especially at what is likely to be somewhere below a max salary.

And obviously all of the praise probably means he's about to go into a 3 month long shooting slump followed by him signing with the Clippers and becoming a perennial all-star.

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Great post and I completely agree, he fits very well with Zion and BI. And we have Kira on the way, I wanted another ball handler but now I don’t and Mobley is who I hope we can land, but if we lose Lonzo give me green

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Originally Posted by HornetGuru

Great post and I completely agree, he fits very well with Zion and BI. And we have Kira on the way, I wanted another ball handler but now I don’t and Mobley is who I hope we can land, but if we lose Lonzo give me green

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If we're assuming Cade is off the board, then I'm praying for Mobley. Also very intrigued by Jalen Suggs with this group, but would be thrilled if Kira made him redundant and unnecessary by the end of the season. I need to catch up on Green and Kuminga to get a feel for them.

Loved that close game.

Naji Marshall over last 9 g-league games shooting 43% from three (on 5 attempts), avg 1.7 steals, and shooting 59% from the field in the last 5 games. He is 6'7" with some length. Finally, possibly, maybe that 3 and D wing candidate.

I dont expect many positive responses, if any, given the amount of folks on here clearly battling depression. But summer league should be fun later this yea at least.

Erie Bayhawks currently #1 at 10-2 in the g-league so..:cool:

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

Exactly. Until we solve that problem, we will be mediocre. I fully expect us to lay an egg against the next weak team which sums us up as a franchise

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Point in case: we have beat Milwaukee, Clippers, Suns, and Jazz so far this season, as well as pulling off a huge comeback against Boston (who are not great this year, but are still a pretty solid team). We have also been mauled by Detroit, Dallas, Sacramento, Chicago, Houston, and Minnesota.

We have a really annoying habit of playing down to bad competition and playing up against good teams. We have a kind of lackadaisical nature against bad teams where we just kind of walk in and try to cruise, and we're flat out not good enough to do that. So we try and get hammered.

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Absolutely, it feels like a soft sense of entitlement, like our team (or some of them) are talented enough to just turn up and collect the win without breaking a sweat, then get all dispirited and sulky when the other team don't just roll over.

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

@Pelicandae is there a scorned lover we don’t know about?

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I'm not sure but hey, whatever helps him get the energy to make it through the day I guess

Haven't looked at the overall team in this way for a while, so here's where we're at 34 games in (only listing players who have played at least 500 minutes minimum):

Zion Williamson: 25.5pts, 7.2rbds, 3.4asts per game on 65.3%TS
Brandon Ingram: 24.2pts, 5.2rbds, 4.7asts per game on 59.0% TS
Lonzo Ball: 14.8pts, 4.3rbds, 5.2asts per game on 57.2% TS [he is now officially at league average!]
Eric Bledsoe: 12.7pts, 3.5rbds, 3.6asts per game on 55.5% TS
Josh Hart: 9pts, 7.4rbds, 2asts per game on 57.5% TS
Steven Adams: 8.1pts, 9.2rbds, 2.2asts per game on 59.6%TS
JJ Redick: 8.3pts, 1.7rbds, 1.3asts per game on 56.8% TS

That's it, nobody else has played 500 minutes minimum. NAW comes closest, with 471 logged.


Team leader in BPM: Zion Williamson, +4.5
Team leader in WS: Zion Williamson, +4.6
Team leader in WS/48: Zion Williamson, .202
Team leader in PER: Zion Williamson, 26.9
Team leader in EPM: Zion and Lonzo tied at +2.1
Team leader in ScoreVal: Zion, +2.4
Team leader in PlayVal: Ingram, +1.1

Since the last postponed game team is 10-9 and tied with Brooklyn for the #1 offense in the league.

They are also dead last, #30, in defense.

#pelslife

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Originally Posted by luckyman

Since the last postponed game team is 10-9 and tied with Brooklyn for the #1 offense in the league.

They are also dead last, #30, in defense.

#pelslife

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We never have both.

The one time in the last few years we've had a top 10 defense (2016-17, when we were 9th) we had the league's 26th rated offense.

A few times we've been around league average in both, but anytime we're really good on one end, we tend to absolutely blow on the other.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Haven't looked at the overall team in this way for a while, so here's where we're at 34 games in (only listing players who have played at least 500 minutes minimum):

Zion Williamson: 25.5pts, 7.2rbds, 3.4asts per game on 65.3%TS
Brandon Ingram: 24.2pts, 5.2rbds, 4.7asts per game on 59.0% TS
Lonzo Ball: 14.8pts, 4.3rbds, 5.2asts per game on 57.2% TS [he is now officially at league average!]
Eric Bledsoe: 12.7pts, 3.5rbds, 3.6asts per game on 55.5% TS
Josh Hart: 9pts, 7.4rbds, 2asts per game on 57.5% TS
Steven Adams: 8.1pts, 9.2rbds, 2.2asts per game on 59.6%TS
JJ Redick: 8.3pts, 1.7rbds, 1.3asts per game on 56.8% TS

That's it, nobody else has played 500 minutes minimum. NAW comes closest, with 471 logged.


Team leader in BPM: Zion Williamson, +4.5
Team leader in WS: Zion Williamson, +4.6
Team leader in WS/48: Zion Williamson, .202
Team leader in PER: Zion Williamson, 26.9
Team leader in EPM: Zion and Lonzo tied at +2.1
Team leader in ScoreVal: Zion, +2.4
Team leader in PlayVal: Ingram, +1.1

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Who leads the team in turnovers? I guess it's got to be either Lonzo or Bledsoe, huh?

Also, who are the teams leaders in defensive rebounding?