Pelicans want Steven Adams

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

I like the move the more I think about it. We're filling an immediate need, obtaining a quality player, veteran, and culture setter, and his contract not only gives us maximum financial flexibility moving into next year, but puts in a position to more easily trade for a star this year if one becomes available for trade.

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We're not bloated with salary, don't think it makes it that much easier really

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Originally Posted by wuggie

After dealing with Dell? I'll wait however long it takes to develop. It's crazy, the other day I took a look at our draft pick history and I noticed before Zion, the last original picks(our own)that we kept and developed were AD, Austin River and Darius Miller(2012). Of course they were trades since etc., but how many of those worked out or stayed long? I can wait lol

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And Buddy Hield

As part of four-team Steven Adams trade, Thunder also receive George Hill, Darius Miller, 2023 Denver protected first-round pick and second-round picks in 2023 (via Charlotte) and 2024 (via Washington), sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

As part of four-team Steven Adams trade, Thunder also receive George Hill, Darius Miller, 2023 Denver protected first-round pick and second-round picks in 2023 (via Charlotte) and 2024 (via Washington), sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

Trade details.

George Hill and Miller go out the door to make up the salary balance. Second rounders also.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Lol

I also want to note how funny it is that people see Steven Adams as being old when he's 27. He's like 15 months older than Giannis or something, and Giannis is a ''young'' superstar to most people. I get that he's been in the league for what feels like forever but he's not that old!

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I'll admit I thought Adams was in his 40s. Seems like he's been in the league forever but wow... 27. I can't remember being 27.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

And Buddy Hield

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Yeah him too, but he only played for a season and half. Then he went to Sac-town for Booger. I mean Boogie Cousins.

So is our roster currently this, or am I missing something:

PG: Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, Kira Lewis
SG: JJ Redick, NAW
SF: -----------------
PF: Zion Williamson, Nicolo Melli
C: Steven Adams, Jaxson Hayes

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I put nothing in the SF section because Kenrich was let go and we haven't officially re-signed Ingram yet, although we all expect that max to happen soon enough.

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Originally Posted by Eman5805

How is he not a perfect fit? Who doesn't need a guy who does the ugly work in the paint and on the boards?

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And even if it doesn't work out we have a VERY valuable $28 million expiring contract that we can flip.

Woj just said on ESPN2 that OKC will get a couple 2nd round picks too. Guessing from us, but the deal does involve two other teams. That deal is crazy. He also said Adams is one of the most well liked players in OKC history. He?s gonna be a fan favorite from the day one

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

The flip flopping is so frustrating.

Dell moves picks all the time to get ''young vets'', the board is mad.

Griff starts collecting picks for the future rather than using them all or prioritising other assets, board gets mad.

Griff moves one late-first rounder from years in the future that isn't even ours to acquire a really good player, board gets mad.

You want him to stock up on picks or not? What's the goal here.

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People just like to b!tch if its not the move THEY would make.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

As part of four-team Steven Adams trade, Thunder also receive George Hill, Darius Miller, 2023 Denver protected first-round pick and second-round picks in 2023 (via Charlotte) and 2024 (via Washington), sources tell ESPN.

? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

Trade details.

George Hill and Miller go out the door to make up the salary balance. Second rounders also.

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Not a huge fan of including Hill and keeping Bledsoe from a value standpoint. OKC takes back expirings and effectively another first in Hill without absorbing any bad contracts. There's probably more to come I would think.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

So is our roster currently this, or am I missing something:

PG: Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, Kira Lewis
SG: JJ Redick, NAW
SF: -----------------
PF: Zion Williamson, Nicolo Melli
C: Steven Adams, Jaxson Hayes

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I put nothing in the SF section because Kenrich was let go and we haven't officially re-signed Ingram yet, although we all expect that max to happen soon enough.

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Josh Hart

Yeah, Pels are sending out $33.2M but getting $44.4M as it stands right now - that doesn't work.

I assume one of Lonzo, Redick, or Melli is on the move to complete this one. Or maybe an E'Twaun Moore sign and trade? https://t.co/eppBAa36gA

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) November 21, 2020

One more hitch. Something yet to drop.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Josh Hart

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Ah yep, you are right! Thanks

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Originally Posted by PelsFan2313

Not a huge fan of including Hill and keeping Bledsoe from a value standpoint. OKC takes back expirings and effectively another first in Hill without absorbing any bad contracts.

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What? No George Hill? I thought Lonzo, Kira, & NAW could of used a vet like him to learn from. I wanted to keep him and ship out Bledsoe too

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

So is our roster currently this, or am I missing something:

PG: Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, Kira Lewis
SG: JJ Redick, NAW
SF: -----------------
PF: Zion Williamson, Nicolo Melli
C: Steven Adams, Jaxson Hayes

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I put nothing in the SF section because Kenrich was let go and we haven't officially re-signed Ingram yet, although we all expect that max to happen soon enough.

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Josh Hart. Also Ingram is a foregone conclusion. It's safe to put him in there.

Edit: someone beat me to Josh Hart. Who knew the posts on PelsReport would be flying in so quickly!

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Woj just said on ESPN2 that OKC will get a couple 2nd round picks too. Guessing from us, but the deal does involve two other teams. That deal is crazy. He also said Adams is one of the most well liked players in OKC history. He?s gonna be a fan favorite from the day one

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Isn't that just the two second rounders they were getting already? Or are OKC getting 4 seconds from us now?

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Originally Posted by donato

Josh Hart. Also Ingram is a foregone conclusion. It's safe to put him in there.

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I know it's safe. I said that in the post. I just was only trying to list guys who are 100% officially signed-on-the-line under contract. Ingram isn't that yet: we all know he will be soon, but he's not yet.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

So is our roster currently this, or am I missing something:

PG: Eric Bledsoe, Lonzo Ball, Kira Lewis
SG: JJ Redick, NAW
SF: -----------------
PF: Zion Williamson, Nicolo Melli
C: Steven Adams, Jaxson Hayes

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I put nothing in the SF section because Kenrich was let go and we haven't officially re-signed Ingram yet, although we all expect that max to happen soon enough.

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No, I think Bledsoe plays SG which makes sense.

PG: Ball/Lewis/NAW
SG: Bledsoe/Redick
SF: Ingram/Hart
PF: Zion/Melli
C: Adams/Hayes


And we still have the MLE and BAE to add depth.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Isn't that just the two second rounders they were getting already? Or are OKC getting 4 seconds from us now?

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Still just the original 2, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Darkhorse985

No, I think Bledsoe plays SG which makes sense.

PG: Ball/Lewis/NAW
SG: Bledsoe/Redick
SF: Ingram/Hart
PF: Zion/Melli
C: Adams/Hayes


And we still have the MLE and BAE to add depth.

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Eh, Bledsoe has played PG in most places he's been to.

Ingram isn't under contract yet, hence why I didn't list him.

I know we have ways to add more guys, that's not the worry. I was just asking to make sure I hadn't missed anything going through.

looks worse now that we're keeping Bledsoe.

~10 million in cap relief and some 2nds really should have been the only incentive needed here.

we must have valued bledsoe or something, otherwise that's not good negotiating.

Hmm I'm glad one of Hill or Bledsoe is gone, but I sort of wanted Hill due to his shooting. Bledsoe on the other hand, if he stays that'll make sense, since he is basically is Jrue light.

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Originally Posted by AusPel

Wake up Jeff!!!!!

I mean Mac

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Whoa. I know it's a few pages late.....but did you just bust out a Wiggles reference?! This is my escape from six kids!!! Lol

So Bledsoe isn?t even moving... I say this as one of biggest fans in the Steven Adam?s fan club (I advocated picking him over Alex Len in that draft) I don?t like this deal. We are essentially moving expirings and picks to pick up an expiring that we aren?t even positive we want to re-sign.

Having said that, I love Adams. We needed a grock big and Adams is a top grock and one of my favorite players. I like it from that perspective. At least we should be competitive.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

As part of four-team Steven Adams trade, Thunder also receive George Hill, Darius Miller, 2023 Denver protected first-round pick and second-round picks in 2023 (via Charlotte) and 2024 (via Washington), sources tell ESPN.? Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 21, 2020

Trade details.

George Hill and Miller go out the door to make up the salary balance. Second rounders also.

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Woah i had hoped for this same scenario to in the official 2020 draft thread. Maybe Griff reads the board lol.


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Well I’m glad they shored up the position with a true anchor instead going with a bunch of scrubs who can’t be relied on consistently enough to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Yeah, Pels are sending out $33.2M but getting $44.4M as it stands right now - that doesn't work.

I assume one of Lonzo, Redick, or Melli is on the move to complete this one. Or maybe an E'Twaun Moore sign and trade? https://t.co/eppBAa36gA

— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) November 21, 2020

One more hitch. Something yet to drop.

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I’d be upset if Reddick went. Hopefully 3twaunn does a sign and trade. Reddick still has value too

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Originally Posted by JJackisangry

I’d be upset if Reddick went. Hopefully 3twaunn does a sign and trade. Reddick still has value too

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NAW would do it as well. Mason was just listing options rather than order of priority, I think.

Is Iggy still on the Heat? It shows he had another year at $15 million. I would trade Bledsoe to them for him. I know he?s pretty much done, but could be a valuable veteran cheerleader that could come in handy if we made the playoffs

But OKC is losing $28 million and taking on nothing right??

Oh George Hill’s 9 mil and Miller’s whatever

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

Is Iggy still on the Heat? It shows he had another year at $15 million. I would trade Bledsoe to them for him. I know he?s pretty much done, but could be a valuable veteran cheerleader that could come in handy if we made the playoffs

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No interest in that at all. For all the Bledsoe isn't perfect, he can still go for 30 minutes a night and provide value on both ends. Iggy is, as you say, pretty much done: he's a cheerleader at best in the regular season, who has to have his minutes saved.

You get rid of Bledsoe and, with Hill having just gone, we move from too many guards to not enough: You're then relying on Ball/Kira/Redick as your central three guards (yes we have Hart, we use him as a wing) and none of those are going to be starter calibre point guards this year imo

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

But OKC is losing $28 million and taking on nothing right??

Oh George Hill’s 9 mil and Miller’s whatever

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Miller's $7m

I don’t think there is anyway we lose Redick, Lonzo, NAW, or even Melli. They gonna make it work without giving up one of those guys

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Miller's $7m

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Yes I was too lazy to look it up lol

yea from our perspective we just gave a first round choice to pay Adams a 1 year 18 million dollar contract (assuming Hill is deadweight, which he isnt)

Miller coulda been waived for free

I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

yea from our perspective we just gave a first round choice to pay Adams a 1 year 18 million dollar contract (assuming Hill is deadweight, which he isnt)

I don't get it.

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People desperately need to understand that the Denver 2023 FRP is not likely to be worth much at all. Like, at all.

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

I don’t think there is anyway we lose Redick, Lonzo, NAW, or even Melli. They gonna make it work without giving up one of those guys

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They can't. We have to be sending out at least a few million more, and when you look at who we have left on the roster, we definitely know who it won't be. Not gonna be Zion. Frank/Okafor/Moore/Kenrich all gone. Gotta bite the bullet and pick someone.

I don't see it being Redick or Jax. So it's Lonzo, NAW, or Melli: I get the feeling Melli is the most likely candidate, even if I'd rather keep him over someone like Lonzo.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

People desperately need to understand that the Denver 2023 FRP is not likely to be worth much at all. Like, at all.

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well it was worth 24, and that's still too much here.

Adams is really going to have to pay off for this to be worth.

At least in Favors case we only gave up 2nds.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

well it was worth 24, and that's still too much here.

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Completely disagree. You trade the 24th pick for a starter calibre player every day of the week.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Completely disagree. You trade the 24th pick for a starter calibre player every day of the week.

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that's way too black and white a take.

Hopefully its melli and not naw going out... naw at least has some upside left and can play the 1 and 2 spot...

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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Hopefully its melli and not naw going out... naw at least has some upside left and can play the 1 and 2 spot...

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agreed Pakwan, good to see you btw.

Would need to use the MLE or something to address the forward spot after though.

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

that's way too black and white a take.

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And yet, in this context, I think it's correct.

Do I think the acquisition cost of Adams was a bit high? Yes. But in all likelihood we're talking about a bottom-8 pick in the 2023 draft and a couple of 2nd rounders for a guy who should really help this team for both on-court and developmental reasons.

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— Mason Ginsberg (@MasonGinsberg) November 21, 2020

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

No interest in that at all. For all the Bledsoe isn't perfect, he can still go for 30 minutes a night and provide value on both ends. Iggy is, as you say, pretty much done: he's a cheerleader at best in the regular season, who has to have his minutes saved.

You get rid of Bledsoe and, with Hill having just gone, we move from too many guards to not enough: You're then relying on Ball/Kira/Redick as your central three guards (yes we have Hart, we use him as a wing) and none of those are going to be starter calibre point guards this year imo

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I want a veteran that gives me some leadership value that won’t get too many minutes cause I want Lonzo, Kira, JJ, Hart, and NAW getting those guard minutes. I especially don’t want a point guard taking those minutes from Lonzo, Kira, and possibly NAW. George Hill was perfect cause I think he could of played some off ball and provided that veteran leadership we need from the point guard position. I don’t see Bledsoe doing that, but if you gonna spend $15 million I guess they have to contribute to an extent lol. And mainly I want that $15 million coming off the books next year if we have to keep it for this year

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Originally Posted by Pelifan

agreed Pakwan, good to see you btw.

Would need to use the MLE or something to address the forward spot after though.

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Wait, is this the pelifan in realgm? 0_0

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Originally Posted by PaKwAn

Wait, is this the pelifan in realgm? 0_0

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;)

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Originally Posted by DaPelFromHell

I want a veteran that gives me some leadership value that won’t get too many minutes cause I want Lonzo, Kira, JJ, Hart, and NAW getting those guard minutes. I especially don’t want a point guard taking those minutes from Lonzo, Kira, and possibly NAW. George Hill was perfect cause I think he could of played some off ball and provided that veteran leadership we need from the point guard position. I don’t see Bledsoe doing that, but if you gonna spend $15 million I guess they have to contribute to an extent lol

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Yeah I am not personally a big fan of spending big money on guys whose only contribution is ''they're gonna wave a lot of towels on the bench''.

I suppose my view is a bit different on the whole ''PG taking minutes'' thing because the way I see it, Kira isn't really to play 36mpg as a starter right now, even if I do think he should be getting real rotation minutes, and I want Lonzo traded. So I don't care if something costs Lonzo some minutes.

really wish they would have took bledsoe instead of hill