10th January - New Orleans Pelicans @ New York Knicks - 13-25

We're running away with this now

Jax has 10 rebounds. That's his second consecutive double double.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He went down awkwardly and hasn't come back in. Eichenhofer tweeted that he's not coming back into this game. No knowledge of if it's a multi-game type issue yet.

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Thanks

This Pelicans team is young, exciting, and getting better. I can't wait till Zion is added.

Gentry's sitting Hayes

are we really gonna hold him back from a new career high and his first 20/10 game? He only needs 2 points.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

He has poor touch.

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I'm spoiled. My favorite player growing up was John Stockton.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

I'm spoiled. My favorite player growing up was John Stockton.

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I never got the Stockton bug (I wasn't alive during his heyday anyway :hihi: but rewatching old games didn't give me an affection for him the same way it did for other older players) but I'm a huge huge Nash fan, so there's some spoilage going on here too.

Jesus Christ Okafor :hihi:

Lonzo drove, moved to pass it to Okafor on the dump off and instead got tangled up, and Okafor just did a 360 spin in the wrong direction. Had absolutely no idea what he was doing.

Jax is back on the floor.

The 20/10 is alive

Simple screen from Jax and Ingram has the space for the 3.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I never got the Stockton bug (I wasn't alive during his heyday anyway :hihi: but rewatching old games didn't give me an affection for him the same way it did for other older players) but I'm a huge huge Nash fan, so there's some spoilage going on here too.

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I'm a sucker for fundamentals, especially for an underdog.

When a 6'1 non athletic white dude can be 5x All Defensive team, 51% Fg 38% on 3's, 82%FTs.

He was tenacious in the passing lanes, offensively and defensively. Smartest player I've ever seen and he maxed out what he could get out of his body.

They call the absolute worst rookie fouls on Hayes lol

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

I'm a sucker for fundamentals, especially for an underdog.

When a 6'1 non athletic white dude can be 5x All Defensive team, 51% Fg 38% on 3's, 82%FTs.

He was tenacious in the passing lanes, offensively and defensively. Smartest player I've ever seen and he maxed out what he could get out of his body.

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Oh for sure, I do like him and he's unquestionably a legend, but he never really caught my personal tastes. I think one of his strengths (his fundamental soundness) is actually part of what irritates me about him at times; for a guy who averaged as many assists as he did, I think he actually left a lot of passes on the table that more ambitious passers like Nash or Magic would have made. Obviously Stockton racked up tons of assists anyway because he was running the 2 man game with Malone to perfection, but his lack of risk-taking as a playmaker and creator always soured me a little.

Edit: as a side note, one of my favourite NBA facts about Nash is that he averaged 50/40/90 for a stretch of over 650 games stretching from 2005-2013. Craziness.

So irritated that Jax didn't get the 20/10 :hihi:

That said, last game he had 14pts, 12rbds, 4blks. Tonight he had 18pts, 10rbds, 2stls, 3blks.

He's going to be very good.

I am anxiously awaiting Favors injury news. I saw him say he is fine to Jah, but we have seen this movie before.

Real impressed by that post game interview from Ingram

Looked and sounded like a grown azz man

Great win, take care of the teams we HAVE to beat and hopefully steal one from the C's tomorrow.

So were going to have Zion, B.I., Hayes, and NAW for years? Looking spoiled right now and I'm loving it.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

Oh for sure, I do like him and he's unquestionably a legend, but he never really caught my personal tastes. I think one of his strengths (his fundamental soundness) is actually part of what irritates me about him at times; for a guy who averaged as many assists as he did, I think he actually left a lot of passes on the table that more ambitious passers like Nash or Magic would have made. Obviously Stockton racked up tons of assists anyway because he was running the 2 man game with Malone to perfection, but his lack of risk-taking as a playmaker and creator always soured me a little.

Edit: as a side note, one of my favourite NBA facts about Nash is that he averaged 50/40/90 for a stretch of over 650 games stretching from 2005-2013. Craziness.

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For the stats guy, here's a video which compares Nash and Stockton. I found it pretty interesting.

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

For the stats guy, here's a video which compares Nash and Stockton. I found it pretty interesting.

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I've seen that video before. It's pretty good, especially for people aren't massive stats guys, but I think if you want a really good statistically dense analysis of either Stockton or Nash, taking a look at Ben Taylor's (Thinking Basketball) top 40 player profiles and also his podcast about the top 10 playmakers in NBA history (Nash is 2nd, Stockton is 6th, if my memory serves correctly) are more intense analyses. He includes film as well, so it's not all figures.

Here's Stockton's profile, if you wanna take a look. Even if you already know a ton about the player, I like reading Ben's profiles because he gives a lot of statistical information that I'd rarely look into personally and he writes in a very entertaining way. In fact, reading all of his top 40 player profiles is a great way to waste an afternoon :hihi:

https://backpicks.com/2018/01/25/bac...john-stockton/

Jaxson Hayes FG% by month:

October: 84.6% (2 gms)
November: 56.9%
December: 65.2%
January: 76.9%

REB average per 36 min:

October: 5.4
November: 8.2
December: 8.5
January: 10.5

BLK average per 36 min:

October: 1.1
November: 1.8
December: 2.3
January: 2.9

Improvement is real! pic.twitter.com/ZUI3xnxbNq

— Oleh Kosel (@OlehKosel) January 11, 2020

To make this easier in one line

November (per 36): 8.2 rebounds, 1.8 blocks, 56.9%FG
January (per 36): 10.5 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 76.9%FG

With improvement in each category every month between. Not counting October cause it was 2 games :hihi:

I was really impressed with Gentry’s rotation tonight. The simple use of Melli to combat the length of the Knicks was something he didn’t do a lot. Everyone is growing with this team, including Gentry.

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

So irritated that Jax didn't get the 20/10 :hihi:

That said, last game he had 14pts, 12rbds, 4blks. Tonight he had 18pts, 10rbds, 2stls, 3blks.

He's going to be very good.

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What’s funny is most of the NBA teams don’t get that production from their starting centers. I mean, maybe 3-4 teams? Dude is already that good. If the Pels guards contain their man, Hayes will be a serious problem

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Originally Posted by Pelicanidae

I've seen that video before. It's pretty good, especially for people aren't massive stats guys, but I think if you want a really good statistically dense analysis of either Stockton or Nash, taking a look at Ben Taylor's (Thinking Basketball) top 40 player profiles and also his podcast about the top 10 playmakers in NBA history (Nash is 2nd, Stockton is 6th, if my memory serves correctly) are more intense analyses. He includes film as well, so it's not all figures.

Here's Stockton's profile, if you wanna take a look. Even if you already know a ton about the player, I like reading Ben's profiles because he gives a lot of statistical information that I'd rarely look into personally and he writes in a very entertaining way. In fact, reading all of his top 40 player profiles is a great way to waste an afternoon :hihi:

https://backpicks.com/2018/01/25/bac...john-stockton/

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Good article but way too nitpicked. "He was even hesitant to enter the lane at times because he had a hard time scoring or passing when in there: ". In the video I posted he takes Jordan 1 on 1 off the dribble for a layup...in the halfcourt.

I mean he can say it's an outlier, but I remember him doing this many times.

Gentry says he doesn't have an update on Favors' injury. Will know more once he talks to the trainers.

— Will Guillory (@WillGuillory) January 11, 2020

Anybody know anything on Favors injury? Is not a good sign if Alvin don’t know?

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Originally Posted by ragincaucasian

Good article but way too nitpicked. "He was even hesitant to enter the lane at times because he had a hard time scoring or passing when in there: ". In the video I posted he takes Jordan 1 on 1 off the dribble for a layup...in the halfcourt.

I mean he can say it's an outlier, but I remember him doing this many times.

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Of course it's nitpicky: when you're talking about trying to discern the 25th best player of all time from the 24th best player of all time, they're both incredible players. You're going to nitpick because in broad strokes, all players at that sort of level are top tier.

And yep, Stockton played well over a thousand games. Even if there was something he was relatively hesitant to do (compared to other elite ball handlers and scorers) you will probably be able to find footage of him doing it a bunch. It's kind of like how supernovae are relatively rare, universally speaking, but because the universe is so massive and so old, they happen all the time.

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Anybody know anything on Favors injury? Is not a good sign if Alvin don’t know?

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I’m guessing he is out tomorrow for sure. My second guess is he will be questionable to play for 2 weeks

These are the types of games we need to win if we want playoffs. Hopefully we can steal it from Boston tomorrow night

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I’m guessing he is out tomorrow for sure. My second guess is he will be questionable to play for 2 weeks

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Sadly agree. Hammys don't heal quickly

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Originally Posted by Fedupfan

I’m guessing he is out tomorrow for sure. My second guess is he will be questionable to play for 2 weeks

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*sigh*

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...urn-vs-knicks/

He has a hamstring strain.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Sting

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/ba...urn-vs-knicks/

He has a hamstring strain.

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lol yep 2 weeks

Having now gone 14-25 over our first 39 games, we are now on pace to win 29 games this year. This is an improvement from only 26 games a week ago.

Wish I would've went to this game, seemed like an awesome one. Who would've thought the cheapest tickets to see this game was $80.

I was all patient for Zion and stuff....now that Favors could be out a bit, I'm ready. Lol

It will take a great game to overcome the Celts without him.

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Originally Posted by luckyman

lol yep 2 weeks

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Pels life

Looking at the team's PIPM recently (in brackets is their score from last season, if applicable):

Jrue: -0.62 (+3.96)
Ingram: +1.13 (-1.44)
Lonzo: -0.67 (+0.45)
Hart: +0.28 (-0.53)
Favors: +1.29 (+1.29)
Kenrich: -0.80 (-1.02)
Jaxson: +0.45 (N/A)
NAW: -1.87 (N/A)
Frank: -4.04 (-3.49)
Melli: -2.56 (N/A)
Redick: +0.37 (+0.56)
Moore: -0.54 (-1.79)

So what real chances have we seen? Some of these guys have changed very slightly, and others not at all (Favors remaining exactly stable is impressive).

Well, Jrue has seen a huge downturn. Last year he was a top 20 player by PIPM: this year, not so much. It's worth noting that for Jrue, this has improved as the season has gone on. We all know he started the season with basically a month of really, really, really poor play and his PIPM has basically been improving since then. It hasn't quite reached positive yet, but I think it probably will by the end of the season. Still, not fun to see such huge drops.

Ingram's improvement has been large, and makes sense. Last year he was a net negative on the court, shooting poorly from the 3pt line and the FT line, and filing one of the worst rebounding years of all time for a player of his height. This year, he's vastly improved his 3pt volume and efficiency, as well as taking a massive step forward from the FT line and improving his REB%, AST%, STL%, and BLK%, setting new career highs in all of these categories. Just a huge improvement all around for Ingram, and it's showing up in PIPM.

Lonzo's net decrease is to be expected too: while playing well over the last two weeks or so, I think most of us agree that Lonzo had a rough start to this year. His play through mid December was uninspiring at best.

Jaxson's positive PIPM is very impressive. In fact, Jaxson Hayes is the only teenager in the NBA to have a positive PIPM. He's 25th in the NBA among all players below 23, in fact, managing a superior PIPM to players like D'Angelo Russell, De'Aaron Fox, Laurie Markkanen, and obviously some young teammates like Lonzo Ball. In fact, his PIPM is 33rd among all 89 centres in the league, regardless of age. This is extremely impressive and I think it reflects the improvement he's shown throughout the year and his quick learning curve. Bright signs from Jax.

NAW's is terrible, but we all kind of expected that; he's barely played all year, and his sample size is extremely small and largely reliant on minutes played in blowouts or weird lineups that nobody enjoyed. Still, he has a long way to go: we've seen signs of great play in some games (tonight and last game both are examples of this), but we'll need to see more out of him.

Frank's somehow gotten worse :hihi: He is the 7th worst player in the NBA by PIPM.

2 weeks which is probably going to be 6 weeks under Griff’s system. See you in March Derrick Favors.

I'm wondering if Jrue was good to go but held out to save him for Boston.

Just joined although I have been lurking for awhile

Really enjoying this stretch of games...love seeing team ball instead of the isolation style that is so prevalent in the league

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Originally Posted by Dago75

Just joined although I have been lurking for awhile

Really enjoying this stretch of games...love seeing team ball instead of the isolation style that is so prevalent in the league

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Welcome to the board, look forward to hearing more from you :)

Nice win guys :cool: